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City Slicker
May 28, 2020

The personal attacks on Plinkey are wrong, and didn't help the situation.

That said, there are very simple steps that could greatly improve the oversight/accountability around the funds money.

I was really pleased to hear you are implementing a monthly public spreadsheet - tbh, that solves about 99% of issues that have been raised.

You can't raise tens of thousands of dollars and not expect questions to be asked. That comes with the territory unfortunately.

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City Slicker
May 28, 2020

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

If you look at the most recent post in the other thread, it's starting to seem like if plinkey wanted to run this like the UK fund (e.g., above the board) he'd need at least 1 full time certified accountant to keep it straight.

Even just skimming the IRS documents make me feel pretty drat certain that other fund is not gonna be able to get off the ground without money coming in to bootstrap the organizational infrastructure.

The flipside of that means that the fund - as it stands - may be operating illegally and exposing Plinkey to a huge personal tax liability.

In previous posts, he has claimed he has been paying this on his personal taxes? It would be good to confirm if that's the case.

Even if it takes a bit more work (though I doubt it's the work of a full time accountant beyond the initial setup), it might be worth doing this properly to safeguard future of the fund? Otherwise, the whole thing could come crashing down when the IRS comes knocking - which it may very well do once Patreon starts reporting earnings directly.

You can't raise this amount of money without some organisational headache. That's the reality of the world we live in.

City Slicker
May 28, 2020

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

He's claiming it as income and probably just disbursing the money through whatever digital means as a gift. That gets him past the distribution tracking and uncle sam doesn't give a poo poo because he's getting his beak wet.

Doing poo poo tax-free is not surprisingly more onerous for everyone involved.

Fair play. If he's been personally paying thousands of his own money in tax bills for the sake of this fund, he deserves some genuine credit for that.

City Slicker
May 28, 2020

DOPE FIEND KILLA G posted:

Yeah, but the hardcore plinkey sycophants might not be representative of everyone donating. We don't know how many goons currently give to the fund because they want to help other posters, but do so under some duress as they feel uncomfortable with how the fund is structured. In the last two days, since this has all blown up, the patreon has already gone down $300.00, and I don't doubt that there are more goons currently giving who in the coming weeks will also decide to drop off from this cause in order to divert it to the more transparent fund.

We also do not know how many goons there are in this forum who WOULD currently be donating to the fund if it was organized properly. Its quite possible that the new thread will bring in more money than this one.

Setting this poo poo up properly will help more people and anyone saying otherwise is totally bonkers

you’ve misunderstood

the issue is that the person who controls the fund and receives all of the donations - before they are disbursed - has a history of gambling

that doesn’t mean he is stealing, but the fund currently has zero accountability so nobody knows whether he is or not

City Slicker
May 28, 2020

jarofpiss posted:

it's actually good to have a tight scope on what your project is trying to accomplish and i think this thread did a perfectly good job of that.

dorks and nerds (liberals) across the world feel a deep need to turn every altruistic program into a charity with committees and fundraising and titles etc because their brains are so thoroughly broken by capitalism that even when they try to create a structure that alleviates the suffering caused by it, they can't help but replicate the structures that create the suffering in the first place. they have no other frame of reference to create a program.

literally every charity in the world has a board packed to the gills with people with "business experience" and focuses on fundraising and efficiency and oversight to make sure nobody gets one over on the charity. it costs huge amounts of time and resources and is absolutely completely insane. they just can't see it from any other perspective.


this never appeared to me to be a project that was aspiring to liberate people from capitalism, and it doesn't require oversight and a board and audits and fundraising drives and forms and papers etc. what's wrong with a simple straightforward agreement that lets one person hand out money to people who ask? why does it have to be a full on GOON PROJECT? who really cares if a bunch of people have a $5 auto patreon payment they've forgotten about and some sub-optimal percentage of funds is getting distributed, or the response time isn't immediate? why the push for the committee oversight on the take-a-penny-leave-a-penny tray?

Oversights, boards, and audits are all good things.

Then again, not particularly surprising that a bunch of Stalinists would be against checks and balances.

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