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Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Glazius posted:

China didn't get that option, but seeing a perspective on American patriotism from the outside is a real eye-opener.

As an outsider I'm very curious what parts you experienced as real eye-openers and why.

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Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Squalid posted:

One thing that's crazy I just noticed looking at economic statistics. Back when this book was first published, India and China had almost identical GDP per capita. As of 2017, China's per capita GDP was more than 4x larger than India's. Dang, why hasn't India been able to achieve the kind of economic success China has?

Obviously because it's fighting it's Maoist rebels rather than putting them in control of the state (and then becoming state-capitalist anyway).

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
Having recently started dating a Chinese woman and getting a bit of an inside perspective on Chinese life and society that way, I am more and more concluding that China is currently the most successful capitalist country in the world. They appear to be straight up better at capitalism than Western countries because they actually understand it (ironically due to Marxism) and are not burdened by belief in their own bullshit liberal lies.

The results for regular people are of course exactly as disastrous as you'd expect from any capitalist economy. And also as usual nationalism is used to paper over that.

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