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Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006
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Helsing posted:

This is a fascinating criticism of China but is it an accurate read on the Amish? I think Wang overstates the case. The Amish might not drive cars but plenty of them use modern tractors. I think there are also more institutionalized vectors for engagement with the outside world than this author admits - the Amish are a lot more influenced by and integrated into modern society than they might seem to be at first blush. That having been said, I don't think any of this undermines his overall point about hands-off management of different social groups being a potentially more effective way of buying social peace.

Well and there are whole systems the pop up around doing things for the Amish, that the Amish won't do. An example is "haulin Amish" they don't drive, but they will ride. Some of them work in factories and have off farm jobs. My grandfather earned a living driving the Amish around in rural Ohio. Think like a combination of a carpool / taxi. Also your point about Rumspringa is a good one, but what most people don't realize is that it also produces a certain amount of tension with the exterior community.

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Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006
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Glazius posted:

Coming in right after its apocalypse didn't help.

I think this is the biggest thing missing from his analysis. They had been wiped out by diseases. I’m not sure that was widely under stood at the time this book was written though.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006
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Now that’s interesting and reminds me of something in the socialist decision.

“Between the origin and the present stands tradition.”

So capitalism / modernity is always breaking myths of origin. But capitalism also needs myths of origin understood through tradition to support itself. So there is a fight between the between the bourgeoisie, the romantics (the conservatives) and the revolutionary romantics ( fascists) over tradition. One of arguments Tillich made was that socialism should also support itself through unbroken myths of origin by what eventually becomes his method of correlation (which is this applied to Christian theology).

Anyway it’s super interesting to see another tradition reaching the conclusion they should do that.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006
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American are heavily influenced by Protestantism and the Enlightenment. Both of those have Demythologization as a project.

Bar Ran Dun
Jan 22, 2006
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It also creates the opening for revolutionary romanticism, fascism to reconstruct incoherent myths to try to restore the demystified ones.

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