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Chimera-gui
Mar 20, 2014
Hopefully he pops in to provide educational bits for this LP though I'll post all the :science: from the previous LP on his behalf:

Fiendly posted:

Resources:
Mr. Vile has shared his own expertise with the thread, answering questions and offering interesting spider facts:
Book lungs and stridulation:

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Tarantulas along with other arachnids that can stridulate like solifugae (camel spiders) usually have their stridulatory organs on the chelicerae, the big things at the front that the fangs are mounted on. You can see the whistling spider there rubbing them together to hiss, kind of like rubbing two sandpaper blocks together. Spiders can't vocalise in any way like we do because they don't have vocal cords, and their lungs aren't connected to their mouth at all. Spider lungs are called book lungs and work in a totally different way to ours, being more like adapted gills filled with "pages" for gas exchange, hence the name. They can't inhale or exhale and rely entirely on passive gas exchange through the "pages" of the book lungs, which are connected to the outside through a pore called a spiracle on the spider's underside.



Tarantulas actually shed part of their book lungs when they moult! The four white patches are the parts of the book lungs that were shed along with the old exoskeleton.
Chelicerae and eating:

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They don't just splurt digestive juices all over the prey and wait for the whole thing to melt, but the exact way they manage their food depends on exactly what animal you're looking at, because spider and scorpion mouthparts get weird.

Spiders and scorpions are defined in part by their mouthparts, which are specialised things called chelicerae. More specifically, the taxanomic group above arachnidae is chelicerata, which are defined by having them and is made up of arachnids, horseshoe crabs and possibly sea spiders, which there's some debate about. In most chelicerata, the chelicerae are weird grabby-claw things used to grab prey and either tear bits off or just generally mash and "chew". Solifugids (camel spiders) are one of the few arachnids that use their chelicerae to hunt and outright kill prey, so they have a particularly large and intimidating pair that do a good job of showing off what they're generally about.



Scorpions, meanwhile, use their claws and venomous sting for the actual hunting, so their chelicerae are generally kept tucked away inside the prosoma (the front part of the body). They're surprisingly dextrous!

Scorpions and spiders, along with all other chelicerata, as far as I know, can only ingest liquid food and have specialised "sucking stomachs" for it. Scorpions manage this by using their chelicerae to tear and slice bits of prey off and draw it into a special pre-oral cavity where digestive fluids melt it down into a sort of soup before being sucked into the stomach proper



Spiders are characterised by having uniquely specialised chelicerae. Rather than being little claws, they contain venom ducts and have a hollow fang to inject their venom with. Exactly how the fangs and chelicerae operate is one of the big divisions in spider taxonomy but I'll get into that later on. The actual mouth of a spider is on the underside right behind the chelicerae, and is used either to force digestive enzymes into the prey, or just generally to spread digestive juices over it, depending on the structure of the chelicerae. Spiders like our tarantula friend just tear and mash the prey into a ball called a bolus and "lick" at it until they're got as much of the digested, liquid parts as they can before throwing the rest away. Other spiders will just make a hole, inject enzymes and then drink up the liquid before repeating the process, ending with either a mostly-intact exoskeleton or the skin and bones of an unfortunate small reptile or rodent.

The arachnid method of digesting food externally and only actually ingesting it once it's liquid has some pretty neat benefits, namely that they don't waste energy on indigestible parts of their prey, and having near-immunity to things like digestive parasites and other nasties that us solid eaters have to worry about being in our food.
Social spiders:

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They are, and most spiders will happily cannibalise members of their own species given the chance. There are a few species that will live communally but they're very much the exception rather than the rule. Some of the cobweb spiders (Theridiidae) are most well known for it and can spin gigantic webs that cover entire trees or areas of forest.



The family actually includes the widow spiders, and despite their reputation they have been known to live communally in captivity, although that could be due to other factors.

Aside from them, at least one species of huntsman spider is known to live communally, crammed together into tiny spaces.

As for tarantulas, I know of very few species that will live together. M. balfouri is the only one I know of that will truly live communally, living in a giant "web castle" together and happily sharing their prey.


Poecelitheria species like the spectacular P. metallica below have been known to live in the same enclosure in captivity, but they very much keep to themselves and make separate webs, so I don't think they can be called communal. Even then, there are plenty of people who tried communal setups and ended up with one big fat spider left before long.


Bogleech has created a series of arachnophobe-friendly blog posts with cute drawings instead of pictures of real bugs: Spiderween

The now-defunct Caustic Soda podcast has done numerous episodes on the animals we meet in Deadly Creatures, often with actual scientists as guests:
Web Building Spiders
Hunting Spiders
Scorpions
Wasps and Hornets
Snakes

The podcast Hound Tall did an episode on entomology covering a wide array of topics and personal anecdotes from the guest entomologist's world travels: Buggin Out! - Extreme Entomology and the Amazon (episode begins at 9:50) [NOTE: extremely vulgar]

Arthro-Pod is a podcast hosted by a rotating group of entomologists, so pick any topic on their episode list that seems interesting and you'll learn everything you need to know about it: Arthro-Pod [CW: lots of pictures of real bugs]

Relevant videos:
Tarantula demonstrates the use of urticating hairs
Meet the spidergoats

Chimera-gui fucked around with this message at 02:04 on Nov 16, 2019

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Chimera-gui
Mar 20, 2014
And while I can't confirm our scorpion to be an Arizona bark scorpion, it is worth noting that the size and shape of a scorpion's pedipalps is a good indicator of how likely they are to sting: Scorpions with large, robust pedipalps can often subdue their prey with little or no use of their venom whereas smaller species with weaker, more slender pedipalps are more dependent on stinging their prey upon seizing it with their chelate pincers.

And speaking of scorpion anatomy, it's also worth noting that the scorpion's anus is between the fifth metasomal segment and the telson which must make for awkward bathroom moments within the Horde and later the Rebellion:

Chimera-gui fucked around with this message at 02:29 on Nov 16, 2019

Chimera-gui
Mar 20, 2014
Something to note is that female spiders are typically larger than the males. While the most famous examples of this are the Orb Weavers and the Widows, it's also true for Tarantulas as well:

Female left, male right; See here for more details: Sex Determination

Basically even though the game refers to it as male, the tarantula we play as is actually female.

Chimera-gui
Mar 20, 2014
It should also be noted that another reason bites are more likely to be dry is that in addition to being metabolically costly, spider venom isn't even guaranteed to kill something as large as a human in the first place even in the case of reportedly "deadly" spiders like Widows, Brown Recluses and Sydney Funnelwebs.

Oh getting bitten is not gonna be a fun experience; at best the bite can be incredibly painful and at worst you may be in for positively excruciating pain, nausea, vomiting, fever, dizziness, chills, aching, breathing difficulty and skyrocketing blood pressure.

And while you should almost certainly seek medical attention if you're bitten by them the likelihood of death is considered so low in a healthy adult that antivenin, which itself carries a small risk of anaphylaxis, is typically reserved for only the most worrying cases and treatment will more often focus only on pain relief which you're gonna want and could probably use a little ER visit to monitor your vitals and make sure things don't get any worse.

Assuming you get bitten out in the woods one day and can't get yourself to a hospital however, your odds of survival are still pretty high. It's only infants, the elderly and the sick who are considered at risk and even so only a handful of people have in fact ever gone on record dying from the venom of this genus.

In fact of the three, Sydney Funnelweb is shown to be the most dangerous do to the male having a highly aggressive response to fear unlike almost any other spider but even then the actual number of confirmed human deaths by Atrax robustus is believed to have been thirteen before the development of antivenom while the post-antivenom kill count is zero.

Chimera-gui fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Dec 17, 2019

Chimera-gui
Mar 20, 2014

These beauties were actually one of several critters Bogleech covered who make spiders' lives complete Hell:

See his article for more info: here

Chimera-gui fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Nov 25, 2019

Chimera-gui
Mar 20, 2014
Oh that conversation was made worst in the previous thread since it was brought up that the venom of the Brazilian wandering spider is capable of causing priapism potentially leading to impotence.

In fact, there are currently studies in a component of the venom for use in treating erectile dysfunction.

Tony Snark was also nice enough to note that in 2016, an Aussie got bit on the wang by redback spiders twice in the same year while using portashitters: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-37481251

What the gently caress is Wrong with You covered story about a man who got bitten in the dick by a katipo as part of episode twelve: All Creatures Great & Dumb

Chimera-gui
Mar 20, 2014
Obligatory "drat nature, you scary" remark aside as I knew about both of these, the two key moments of this video were actually foreshadowed in the opening movie before you even meet the Tarantula or Scorpion, true to this game having heavy foreshadowing in general.

Recall that the narrator, confirmed to be Wade by theenglishman, talked about being avenged for something that happened between him and Struggs and that there was a great deal of venom in his voice while talking about Struggs.

Chimera-gui
Mar 20, 2014
Yeah I implied this last time but the opening narration is set after the end of the game and post mortem for Wade, it's implied that he saw Struggs' end from the afterlife.

Chimera-gui
Mar 20, 2014
Yeah, there's a reason Struggs was called the deadliest thing in the desert in the opening narration with the second deadliest arguably being the rattlesnake since they are less likely to do dry bites (about 1/4 from I've found) and their venom is much more dangerous to a human compared to spider or scorpion venom, even those of the most dangerous spiders such as the widow, funnel-web and recluse.

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Chimera-gui
Mar 20, 2014
You are very welcome.

There aren't many games that let folks talk about this sort of subject so I can say with certainty that we were more than happy to teach some :science:.

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