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It looks something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E40KiYBJAHM
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It starts off as good art and evolves into amazing art. You're working with a very high baseline.
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I will watch his career with great interest.
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Hoping that this continuation is more Brandon Sanderson and less Eoin Colfer.
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I watched the first two Golden Age films on Netflix today. This is the most bizarrely inconsistent looking production I've seen in a long time. It's not that they go off model, they stay on model all the time but the resolution and character detail varies at the drop of a hat. One moment everything looks absolutely gorgeous and the next moment it's a PS1 perendered cinematic. It's so weird. Apart from that it's a decent take on the arc even if I prefer the OG show better.
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Aug 13, 2022 04:43
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It's an interesting experiment but when the films look their best is when the movements are small and subtle. Guts and Casca in the cave at the start of movie 2 had some excellent use of subtle face expressions that the 3D models allowed, but most of the battle scenes suffered from shaky cam, ramp up and slow down framerates and being stuck in the barren featureless desert of blurry texture anime flat terrain that I absolutely hate. But despite the weird and janky rear end animation it's still Berserk and I like that the dub cast is the same.
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Aug 13, 2022 06:16
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I finished watching the Golden Age movies today. The third one was definitely the best of the three. That being said, I don't think it's possible to make Casca's rape any less awkward or gratuitous. I know that the "tasteful rape scene" is an oxymoron but I had hopes that the movies would be a little less awkward about it, considering that the nudity and sex across the three films is surprisingly well handled. It doesn't instantly turn into a hentai animator's wank fest of fanservice shots and bizarre camera angles. So getting to the eclipse and tentacle horsecock rape poo poo that wouldn't look out of place in a porno makes the whole sequence of the film feel dirty. But then Skull Knight wrecks poo poo and that's cool. Still, it was a good movie and I'm looking forward to my housemate watching it. I watched the original show years back so I knew what was coming but he's never read the manga or watched the OG, so he's in for a trip since his only exposure to Berserk has been these movies and the Guts theme meme. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 23:08 on Aug 13, 2022 |
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Aug 13, 2022 22:51
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I didn't know that. Is it new animation or are they recycling the film footage with some new scenes? Or is it being done by the 2016 series people? My housemate actually started watching the films the other day so i sat in since I hadn't seen them yet, but he's gone for the weekend while I wanted to keep going.
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Aug 13, 2022 23:26
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Honestly they'd need to add footage back in just to make proper episode runtimes. There are some awkward as hell cuts in the movies where you know stuff is being stripped down for time. And I know it's probably too much to hope for the old English cast to come back again. Hopefully they'll get a shot at dubbing it after it airs rather than a simulcast.
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Aug 14, 2022 00:16
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Well they're not my introduction and I do agree the show is better but the films are an interesting comparison piece. And with regards to my housemate I'm basically watching this Game of Thrones style to see his reaction when it flips from mostly grounded medieval fantasy to cosmic horror nightmare. I'd like it if he could watch the anime but the films are good enough for that reaction.
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Aug 14, 2022 04:05
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The best reason to watch the dub is that Void sounds incredible. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdp3auoZ-Ds Void you might look like the Martian from Mars Attacks! but not moving your mouth let's the dub cast go wild. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Aug 14, 2022 |
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Aug 14, 2022 17:49
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And how little he varies his performance. Dude is so high on doing his Goku voice he can't do anything else.
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Aug 14, 2022 22:48
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I'm just saying if he's capable of voicing a giant demon thing with a unique voice he could put more effort into not half assing it with Gaston sounding exactly like Goku.
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Aug 14, 2022 23:06
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Housemate came back and we finished watching the third movie and its Eclipse scene. The dip into horror got a fun reaction, the rape not so much. That whole part of Casca's character arc has never ever sat well with me and it's hard to talk about because the few times I've brought it up in conversations about Berserk and how I feel it's gratuitous and in extremely poor taste I've always gotten back lovely responses arguing about "realism" and how being upset at the depiction means it sucessfully got the right emotional response. So it was nice to talk to someone else who agreed that that whole part of the eclipse was juvenile edgelord material. There's plenty of juvenile stuff in earlier Berserk where it's violence for violence sake but I can do without the constant sexual assault that veers into spank bait and borderling fridging hiding behind flimsy justifications for why it's an important bit of character growth. Is seeing your entire adopted family butchered by cosmic horrors not enough?
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Aug 16, 2022 13:18
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFkUvvTtlPg
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Mirello posted:I don't know what to say that isn't what you've already heard. it is supposed to be horrible. it's supposed to be the most horrible thing that could ever happen. I havent watched the movies, so I dunno how it goes, but it's like complaining about the scene in irreversible. how could it have been done differently, or more tastefully? done off screen? that would ruin the point. It's the gendered violence of Casca's rape specifically. Guts and Griffith have both been raped and it's treated as a horrible moment in their lives but not a defining moment for them in the way it is for Casca. The films up until that point had been surprisingly even-handed in its depiction of nudity and sexuality. Then the eclipse happens and Casca gets full tentacle and birdman rape with dramatic piano and a ground view of dick thrusting and its suddenly every other lovely fantasy story that treats raping women as a common means of motivating a male protagonist to kill the bad dudes. It sucks doubly for Casca because of the "raped to insanity" part of the affair. Guts and Griffith can get raped and move on with being control freaks or rage machines, but a woman getting raped and it ends up infantilizing her for a decade's worth of story updates. She suffers a huge loss of agency while acting as a vengeance motivator for a main male character who can shrug off being sodomized because he's so single-minded to not let it define him. Every person Casca ever cares for gets horribly mutilated and eaten and that's it, but no we have to rape just the woman at the eclipse because women have to get raped haven't you seen all the times before now where Casca was nearly raped well now here she is actually getting raped and you get to see it in all its gruesome detail for five pages or a grossly elaborate animation sequence that either works as a bitter conclusion to a 90s TV show or as a male revenge motivation for a film. Berserk had already shown multiple ways in which Casca has to deal with gender based violence and discrimination for taking on a male profession in a patriarchal society on top of also being a colored minority. What does the rape say to that struggle that isn't already implied? Like you said, the Eclipse is supposed to be the worst thing imaginable happening to the protagonists, but what does the rape part of that have to say about the story, the setting, or about us as people? Presenting it as historical and saying "that's just how things were back then" is a poor excuse to put rape in your story and without further context or exploration the lack of examination leads to conclusions like "Guts and Griffith can shrug off sodomy but a woman like Casca goes crazy from it." I honestly have no idea how you would change that particular part of the Eclipse and achieve the same intent but to me it feels like Miura was trying to tackle an extremely serious subject and missed the mark on execution and his early Berserk edginess really damages one of its best characters. It's like how Kojima flubbed super hard on the sexual violence against characters like Paz and Quiet in Metal Gear Solid 5. You can see what he might have been trying to accomplish but in the wider context of his body of work it comes off as ill informed, excessive and even sexist in its execution. And I don't believe that the argument of "that's the whole point!" should be used as a shield against any and all criticism. It's as if the mere discussion of a heavy topic like rape discounts any counterpoint. Now this isn't directed at you, personally. Those previous times I mentioned about this particular conversation WRT Berserk are from about ten years ago and with people who were pretty clearly into Berserk for the sex, violence and badassitude and because dark clearly equals mature. The kind of reading that a twenty year old would make versus someone at thirty with a lot more reading experience. So I don't like the defense that it couldn't be done differently or the "that's just the way things are" because it reminds me of those old conversations where I still wasn't comfortable with how Berserk handled rape and sexism. Watching the eclipse for the films was like opening an old wound and it got me thinking about how I feel the whole handling of rape in early Berserk (and even into later stuff) is not done particularly well, even if I don't really know how you could do it better.
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If art was made in a vacuum and we didn't have to wait so long for updates it wouldn't be as big an issue but because it did end up happening that way and taking ten years it's part of the conversation and it's frustrating.
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christmas boots posted:But that's a whole other conversation about completed works vs ones still in progress and all that, I suppose. Welcome to my number one hangup with serialized storytelling. The waiting, the waiting, the waiting, and all too often a conclusion that doesn't live up to the promises made. Here's hoping this one lands. Some day. A decade from now. Maybe.
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Maera Sior posted:Agree with all of this. To me it's amazing that Berserk could be so good about writing rape as a form of domination, not sexual desire, but fail repeatedly in how it's storyboarded. The trouble with comes down to the fact that making it about Guts and Griffith and the theme of domination doesn't discount the fact that it is coming at the expense of objectifying a female character for the sake of a dynamic between two male leads. Thematically appropriate, sure, but it's a shaky foundation when you're undermining your main female character for it to happen and that's before you even get to the visual presentation. It's an integral part of what makes Berserk Berserk, but that doesn't make it a good thing. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 23:55 on Aug 16, 2022 |
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Good post. I know I started this discussion and I haven't been responding as much, but I don't really have much more to add than what I've already said.
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The reduction of nearly every female character in HBO's Game of Thrones from season 4 onward is a whole other discussion of hosed up and misguided writing/direction/intent. Outside of Brienne nearly every female character is reduced down to a single trait to the point where if they show any outside trait it feels like an undeserved attempt to claw back to when these characters were interesting and dynamic. But as bad as Jaime raping Cersei over their son's corpse is, I think the worst is in Season 8 when Benioff and Weiss write an insulting scene where Sansa tells the Hound that getting raped by Ramsay Bolton made her a better person by becoming a ruthless ice queen who doesn't emote and projects authority through brutal violence. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Aug 19, 2022 |
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Aug 19, 2022 20:36
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsw6h5z1nuo It's bad, see.
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Darko posted:They share some narrative similarities in the Golden Age with a giant thing shocking people Red Wedding/Eclipse ans changing the series. Thats where they diverge, though in any feel or similarities. Nah Cersei is still bad but in the opposite way where she creates a forcefield of stupid that acts as plot armour where her doing the same asinine poo poo in the books is what causes her downfall.
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If looks could kill they probably will
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I'd be pretty pissed If they redubbed everyone. The consolidation of anime distributors was a mistake for anyone who cares about English audio tracks. The stuff with crunchyroll makes me fume. Simuldubs trade quality for convenience. Imagine if they recast Void with someone other than Jon Avner. Arc Hammer fucked around with this message at 14:44 on Sep 23, 2022 |
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He was the 2016 English VA right?
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Well that explains why Guts never wants people to give up on their dreams. Don't give it up, Zolo.
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I found the movies interesting in the way they depicted certain scenes but they just cut down too much stuff and the animation being the forerunner of the jank rear end CGI anime trend doesn't help.
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Ccs posted:I watched the first episode of the memorial edition. I think they fixed a lot of the faces that were too cg looking before Is it releasing as a TV edit or in film format?
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Well poo poo. That puts a damper on things. I've yet to find a film that was improved by making it into a TV format and the 97 show already exists to fill that role. When is Berserk 97 slated to hit Netflix anyways?
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mind the walrus posted:yeah like, '97 is legitimately good, it's just one of those things where the gap between how people remember it versus what it was is wider than people think. There's always going to be a level of nostalgia in there tinging people's opinions, like with any legacy title that gains a following. If you're going into berserk for the ultraviolence and fights you're going to come away from '97 disappointed.
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It still isn't perfect though. The underlying skeleton of the animation remains the largest hindrance to the overall look of the series. You can uprez textures and add more detail and it won't make a difference if everything becomes a weightless mess in motion.
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Oct 3, 2022 17:58
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Guts *tries* to overcome being gruff and learning to soften up and rely on his friends. Emphasis on try. I ain't gonna defend the sexual violence because I'm with you on that being tasteless. But I read Guts's journey in Berserk as a long struggle of people trying to heal from trauma and failing because more and more is heaped upon them.
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You just needed to put your grasses on to see where things were heading
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Mraagvpeine posted:I'm not seeing it. Can you make up an example? The side eye puppet meme immediately springs to mind.
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Nov 27, 2022 18:18
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Berserk '97 hits Netflix tomorrow.
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Spermando posted:It's up for me... But only on French. Mettre vos herbes.
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I was at the bookstore yesterday and saw they had the entire collection of Berserk in hardbacks. The thing took up two thirds of a shelf and looked heavier than the Dragon Slayer sword.
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Child Labor Good! Tudor Gennon bad!
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