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Djarum posted:I somehow doubt it. Nixon is still looked at as a crook despite any sort of positives he accomplished in his Presidency. Saint Reagan is looking worse as the years go by as well. Republicans will make him their new Reagan for the next 20 years and will talk about all the same themes while memory-holing the curruption. No actual historian will buy it though and so he’ll go from badly remembered overall in the near term to worse than Nixon relatively quickly.
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Kirk posted:Trump is going to be treated very favorably by historians. American conservatives are rehabilitating Nixon in real time before our eyes, and their continual assaults on objective reporting will make any attempt at objective history extremely difficult in another 10-20 years. You just need to see the period of time that Nixon and Regan happened in, and compare it to Trump. Right now you have every single thing Trump has done documented in social media so good luck being a serious historian trying to say that Trump's presidency wasn't marred in controversy and scandal. Sure you will get your right wing conservative hacks trying to write about Trump being the greatest president since Regan or some such bullshit, but historically speaking Trump will be seen as a stain on American democracy.
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Djarum posted:Well Nixon went on a crusade on trying to rehab his image somewhat in the years immediately after. By the 80s he largely kept mostly out of sight. I think his goal was not to let what he did accomplish be overshadowed by Watergate. I don't think he ultimately succeeded but it seems that many of his foreign policy "triumphs" have ultimately not been great for the United States long term most notably China. he is gonna be another harding but instead like harding who was idiot who wasnt an evil gently caress but mostly a corrupt moron who got pushed into the presidency because of his looks and his wife. trump will just remembered as a corrupt loving rear end in a top hat monster.
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This thread was great at making things more digestible, even if those things were sanity poisoning.
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https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/1225928445252833281 sondland is fired.
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Might be worth keeping this thread around a bit to document the extent of Trump's revenge.
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Tayter Swift posted:Might be worth keeping this thread around a bit to document the extent of Trump's revenge. this. i kinda wish this became the new trump thread but i think we should at least keep it open for the shitshow friday night massacre poo poo.
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 "Time to prove how innocent I am by firing people who spoke out against the crime I didn't commit"
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yeah, i think mulvaney and a couple others will be next. he is gonna be doing this all night and weekend. he will also try to gently caress over schiff/house dems and probably romney.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah, i think mulvaney and a couple others will be next. he is gonna be doing this all night and weekend. he will also try to gently caress over schiff/house dems and probably romney. He's already started on Romney with expanded drilling in Utah national parks.
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He is totally shouting at Kushner to fire Romney right now.
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Madkal posted:He is totally shouting at Kushner to fire Romney right now. he might try to force him out of the party.
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I know that if I'm innocent, I fire all the people who testified under oath against me.
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:I know that if I'm innocent, I fire all the people who testified under oath against me. I won, you lost. Hand in your badge and tiki torch on your way out.
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Tayter Swift posted:He's already started on Romney with expanded drilling in Utah national parks. Romney's been trying to get that for ages. (Monuments, not parks - monuments allow private mineral rights) Trump just really loving hates nature. BigBallChunkyTime posted:I know that if I'm innocent, I fire all the people who testified under oath against me. It's actually illegal, though we're long past the point where that matters. Some (all?) of these are transfers, which is more of a gray area. Stickman fucked around with this message at 02:06 on Feb 8, 2020 |
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BigBallChunkyTime posted:I know that if I'm innocent, I fire all the people who testified under oath against me. I mean, because they're all lying, right? Which means we can now prosecute them for perjury. Or they can sue for wrongful termination. And let's open up the floodgates for 100 more months of trials.
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Stickman posted:Romney's been trying to get that for ages. (Monuments, not parks - monuments allow private mineral rights) People say Donald Trump is basically a captain planet villain but they are wrong. He is all of the captain planet villains combined.
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Sereri posted:People say Donald Trump is basically a captain planet villain but they are wrong. He is all of the captain planet villains combined. So... Captain Pollution? 
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Dapper_Swindler posted:he might try to force him out of the party. the party already disinvited him to cpac.
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ManBoyChef posted:the party already disinvited him to cpac. Which is more of a formality than anything because he hasn't been in years.
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ManBoyChef posted:the party already disinvited him to cpac. i mean he hasnt been there since 2013. not much of a loss.
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Kicking Romney out of the GOP really doesn't do anything. MAYBE he caucuses with democrats and throws majority over to schumer, but that's some west wing bullshit. He's basically untouchable in Utah. It would be interesting if the GOP could piss off Utah enough to make them vote someone else. Maybe not bernie but another mormon protest candidate. Also Mike Lee will have a bunch of uncomfortable questions he'll have to answer.
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FizFashizzle posted:Kicking Romney out of the GOP really doesn't do anything. MAYBE he caucuses with democrats and throws majority over to schumer, but that's some west wing bullshit. they could do one of those "vote on everything but trump" type deals
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Sereri posted:People say Donald Trump is basically a captain planet villain but they are wrong. He is all of the captain planet villains combined. you know all those animal intelligent tests about crossing strings and pathfinding abstraction? I think trump would score at about "dog" level. i think if you put two strings on the ground, one tied to a hundred dollar bill and another tied to a dog turd, and then crossed the strings, trump would pull the wrong string 3 times in a row if not more.
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InsertPotPun posted:nah. the captain planet villains cared. they wanted to destroy the environment, it was a goal (in fact one wanted to help, but her "help" was disruptive of the natural world so it became harmful) trump just...doesn't think about it, he doesn't even "not care" because that implies he knows and disregards something. trump just...nothing. I don't believe trump really thinks about things that aren't currently in his sight or he's seen before, I don't think he's capable of abstract thought because of sheer laziness. the incurious whorls that made up bush jr's hosed up mind infest trump's too. people who spend a lot of time nodding while others point to things. "oh" is the extent of trump's knowledge about anything. I think a big difference between W and Trump is that W was not bright but never pretended to be. He was a man that was acutely aware of his frailties. He tried to surround himself with people smarter than him. Granted this also allowed him to get taken advantage of mostly because he was not bright enough to realize he was until likely it was too late. Trump on the other hand likely has a higher intelligence than W but between pure laziness, not being curious at all and narcissism he squanders all of that. Trump surrounds himself with people that do not disrupt his delusions and are loyal to him. For example they are both failsons that failed upward in life but you can tell that W at least tried to make an effort to accomplish and learn things as he failed up. Trump on the other hand did nothing and thinks that he actually accomplished so much while being handed it. I have zero love for W as a President but he as a person is much more grounded and self aware than Trump.
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W was stupid, but not as stupid as the persona he projected. A good example is his "can't get fooled again" gaffe. He realized that he was about to say "shame on me" directly into a microphone, which would have been cut and used against him, so he made up some nonsense on the spot that was in line with his bumbling idiot persona. So that was quick and clever of him, but if he was actually smart, he wouldn't have put himself in the situation to begin with.
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Djarum posted:I have zero love for W as a President but he as a person is much more grounded and self aware than Trump. It probably helps staying grounded that his mate was the same age and they had been married for over two decades then. Trump has never had a loving, understanding, equal companion who can put him in his place.
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Nenonen posted:It probably helps staying grounded that his mate was the same age and they had been married for over two decades then. Trump has never had a loving, understanding, equal companion who can put him in his place. I think I’d rather enjoy seeing Melania yelling at trump to clean the kitchen or whatever
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Inferior Third Season posted:W was stupid, but not as stupid as the persona he projected. A good example is his "can't get fooled again" gaffe. He realized that he was about to say "shame on me" directly into a microphone, which would have been cut and used against him, so he made up some nonsense on the spot that was in line with his bumbling idiot persona. So that was quick and clever of him, but if he was actually smart, he wouldn't have put himself in the situation to begin with. This seems extremely unlikely. He couldn't remember the saying, something that happens with humans from time to time. Why would "shame on me" be worse than the nonsense he acutally said and that was cut and used against him.
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