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Skex posted:Most of the career people in the government and military take their jobs and their oaths seriously. These are people who could easily make more money in the private sector but choose to serve. remember when General "hey, take this sword and use it on the media, Mr. Trump! also killing every military aged male in Fallujah was good actually" Mattis expressed shock and horror that Trump was stupid, bloodthirsty, and incompetent. military mythology is the funniest goddamn thing.
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Nov 19, 2019 17:40
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1glitch0 posted:And I'll just add, again, because it's so goddamn stupid, that this entire catastrophe for Trump is happening for getting information that doesn't exist (because it's a conspiracy theory) on a potential political opponent who may not have even ran for president and currently might not even win the democratic primary! It is such a prime Trump gently caress-up. Once again, Trump doing literally nothing would have better results than him trying to do a thing. It's astounding. it really is if he'd had the base republican ratfucking instincts to just push the burisma thing as an unsubstantiated rumor it would have done amazingly! it's perfectly pitched to exploit the "actually," centers of the liberal brain! the same people who fell over themselves to explain that well TECHNICALLY nothing Hillary did was illegal, and therefore it's okay would not have been able to stop themselves from making the argument Democratic politicians are exempt from consequences for corruption on his behalf! but because his brain is pudding, he actually thought there was some Ukrainian server he could dig up to finally stick it to Hillary Clinton for... reasons, and that brings us to here. it's so fantastically dumb.
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Nov 19, 2019 17:45
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Pissed Ape Sexist posted:I'll taint this thread with discussion of how your FACE is kind and peaceful this thread is peaceful, its inhabitants kind
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Nov 19, 2019 20:58
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The Glumslinger posted:I wonder if the Dems are going to touch on the obvious bribery that went into Sondland being named an ambassador in the first place? I wonder if the Republicans will. it's galaxy brain enough to be on the table at this point
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Nov 20, 2019 18:21
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Chilichimp posted:She hired a person she was in a relationship with to work on her campaign staff. The photos were of the two of them during a poly amorous relationship with her now ex-husband. It wasn't "an affair". yeah fyi this particular story is a very, very common and horrible one for young lesbians. fall for older woman in position of power who uses you basically as a sex toy for her and her husband, split second husband starts feeling weird about it the whole thing collapses in hatred and recriminations and your sole remaining use is as blackmail reservoir for the divorce. it is, in fact, not good to be loving someone ten years younger than you who works for you. i would go as far as to say it is bad.
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Nov 24, 2019 16:42
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Ogmius815 posted:You’re looking at it the wrong way though. It isn’t like what makes something impeachable is that it’s sufficient bad, and family separation is less impeachable because it ranks lower on the “badness scale” than the Ukraine Affair. Impeachment is for a particular kind of bad thing. your stance on impeaching him at all, fifteen seconds before Pelosi told you actually now was good, was "silence, you foolish children, don't you see impeachment is just what Trump wants?" find a way of looking at it other than "whatever my betters tell me to believe, I believe."
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Dec 20, 2019 01:40
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Ogmius815 posted:I changed my mind about impeachment when the facts of the Ukraine Affair became clear. That’s what most people do, change their positions and beliefs in response to the facts. https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/519093/ objectively false. but it's a story people like to tell themselves. and those can change people's minds. tell them a story- like, say, one about how someone who's older, and richer, and with a fancy title, and therefore fundamentally -better- than them says that it's a good idea now... ...that can get the kind of person who knew fifteen seconds ago impeachment was a monstrous error being pushed by ignorant children to say "well actually it was always a good idea." "And the only real mistake was saying so before I, personally, was comfortable saying it." sure, it's logically incoherent, but it preserves the ego. over time, that same need to preserve his self esteem means he talks himself into thinking that by opposing impeachment, he was actually supporting it, and much better than those ignorant children who supported it before him did! ever read that great line from 1984 about how the hatred the Party commanded could be turned on and off like a blowtorch?
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Dec 20, 2019 02:07
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Decrepus posted:This is called flip flopping. You are never supposed to learn or change! remember that part earlier in the thread where the Impeachment Expert was proclaiming actually Rashida e. Tlaib, autocorrect, saying we should impeach the president was still bad, because the fact we should impeach the president was not made apparent to him until his betters yielded to her on this point the words "learn" or "change" are not applicable to any part of this program
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Dec 20, 2019 02:11
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Ogmius815 posted:in January, there were not public facts supporting impeachment. Ogmius815 posted:You may be a leaf on the winds of ideology, but don’t project that onto me. delicious. the way you can tell there were no public facts supporting impeachment in January is that if there had been, one of those damned uppity socialists would have been right, while Ogmius was wrong. and the universe is not structured such that this can be the case. genuinely arguing that Donald Trump did nothing wrong until Ukraine, to own the libs. no ideology here, kids.
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Dec 20, 2019 04:28
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Ogmius815 posted:This is, very clearly and distinctly, not what I have said. Ogmius815 posted:when Tlaib said “impeach the motherfucker” in January, there were not public facts supporting impeachment. “To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them, to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy, to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back into memory again at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again: and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself. That was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the act of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word ‘doublethink’ involved the use of doublethink.”
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Dec 20, 2019 04:51
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Scooter_McCabe posted:Except there was a case for impeachment and Trump did something wrong. guy was even busy complaining about how he didn't like how the case was being made then, but the Party demands that no case existed prior to Nancy Pelosi telling him that impeachment was good now therefore, there was no case for impeachment, no high crime or misdemeanor, no reason for Democrats to censure Donald J. Trump, up until then. and simultaneously, the people making the case for impeachment back then were naive children. they should have said that thing they didn't say more decorously, I guess.
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Dec 20, 2019 06:21
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Deteriorata posted:While it is true that justice delayed is justice denied, it's also true that judgment in haste leads to later regrets. https://twitter.com/arr/status/1012397416429940736?lang=en
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Jan 6, 2020 20:19
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Munkeymon posted:Says legal experts familiar with the court, actually. remember that time John Roberts decided the Voting Rights Act doesn't apply anymore on the grounds of something he made up on the spot ~precedent ain't gonna save you~
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Jan 6, 2020 23:52
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Chilichimp posted:What even are other threads, really? Why even have specific, focused, high-content threads when every thread can just be a chat thread? if you are saying this TVIV thread is "high content" i have extremely bad news for you
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Feb 2, 2020 22:24
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Angry_Ed posted:The actions of Joe and Hunter Biden have nothing to do with the crimes of Donald Trump. Getting eitherof them on the stand would not magically get the GOP to acquiesce to witnesses especially since they are the majority in the Senate and could call the Bidens at any time. Stop falling for this they do have a lot to do with why now, and only now, were the democrats willing to consider impeachment, though "misplace" a thousand+ kids for the crime of their blood potentially tainting the nation-body with its foreignness, and they chuckle warmly about how people just don't understand political strategy. suggest that their fuckup kids might have to get real jobs, though, and the Gottheimers of the world suddenly understand the time has come to send Trump a message. how -DARE- Mr. President Donald With All Due Respect Trump, Sir, suddenly act like politics might have an impact on them.
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