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Humphreys posted:Is this supposed to be a video? Also LOL at 'POV'
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LimaBiker posted:https://www.parool.nl/nieuws/al-twee-doden-dit-jaar-hoe-onveilig-is-de-tram~bd1188e1 Also, look up traffic deaths by means of transportation, I think you might have the wrong idea about the people being killed by cars each year?
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RabbitWizard posted:In what way is that useful for a comparison about the danger to me? As a normal person, walking around in a city, not an insurance adjuster. The average car driver is not as careful and attentive to the traffic as the person driving a tram. This should be obvious. Stopping distance doesn't matter one bit if someone is staring at their phone. It is a silly metric Public transportation is very safe
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Mynameismud posted:It is a silly metric Not if a hobo stabs you
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We’re talking about Amsterdam not New York
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I thought we were originally talking about Manchester, where the teams run across a public square with no real indication. Just rails in the pavement stones.
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I recently replaced my ancient washer/dryer set with a heat-pump ventless dryer and I will never go back.
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Are those kind of things standard in America? My dryer doesn't have an exhaust pipe. It has a small filter at the front, that I empty between each load.
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I swear anyone who thinks buses are a good approach to public mass transit needs to come to the US and try getting anywhere both on time and without smelling like diesel exhaust.
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England has entered the chat lol I spent a week over there and didn't have to take a car once. Tube everywhere around London, train to Oxford, bus back to London. But also I was a tourist so I dunno what it's like having to deal with it on a real life basis 
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Wow, I did not come in here expecting to see anti trams propaganda, I thought we were better than that
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corgski posted:I swear anyone who thinks buses are a good approach to public mass transit needs to come to the US and try getting anywhere both on time and without smelling like diesel exhaust. Enjoy the drive and don't smell like diesel when you arrive.
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zedprime posted:Have you considered clean natural propane? Sweet lady propane. Smell the street, not the heat
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corgski posted:I swear anyone who thinks buses are a good approach to public mass transit needs to come to the US and try getting anywhere both on time and without smelling like diesel exhaust.
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Issaries posted:Are those kind of things standard in America? They usually shoot out through a nearby wall horizontally instead of up through the roof, but yes.
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holtemon posted:England has entered the chat lol I did a short stint in Japan doing consulting and oh my god the work culture sucks but the mass transit is the best, and took a short trip out to the countryside to hike and being able to just....go there, no car, on a train was beyond wonderful. If the work culture was better, I'd go back in a heartbeat. And I say that as a guy who loves cars and builds them. America has absolutely failed its people by not having that sort of mass transit available.
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corgski posted:I swear anyone who thinks buses are a good approach to public mass transit needs to come to the US and try getting anywhere both on time and without smelling like diesel exhaust. in normal, civilized countries the buses dont vent exhaust into the cabin. As i understand it the US public transport system is a defective facsimile made to punish the poor and convince the wealthier to move to a suburb and buy cars
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corgski posted:I swear anyone who thinks buses are a good approach to public mass transit needs to come to the US and try getting anywhere both on time and without smelling like diesel exhaust. I think busses are part of a good approach to public mass transit that also involves trains, subways, trams, light rail, etc. and is of course supplemented with lots of bike paths and pedestrian spaces. They work great here. I invite you to consider that perhaps they suck poo poo for you because they're underfunded and badly planned in your region.
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What kind of argument is 'oh yeah? You love public transit? Come try it out in the country where we deliberately hosed it and think again!'
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PurpleXVI posted:I invite you to consider that perhaps they suck poo poo for you because they're underfunded and badly planned in your region. Love how when something is underfunded, it becomes bad, and then people say "why do you want me to pay (via taxes) for this thing that doesn't work", and then funding is cut further.
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Why would I go to a place where buses are terrible when I'm at a place where buses are pretty good?
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Uthor posted:Love how when something is underfunded, it becomes bad, and then people say "why do you want me to pay (via taxes) for this thing that doesn't work", and then funding is cut further. This is so odd but I hate that!
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Antigravitas posted:Why would I go to a place where buses are terrible when I'm at a place where buses are pretty good?
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Y'all are dog piling corgski for saying this: corgski posted:I swear anyone who thinks buses are a good approach to public mass transit needs to come to the US and try getting anywhere both on time and without smelling like diesel exhaust. But she's specifically responding to mentally ill poster LimaBiker's statement here: LimaBiker posted:Amsterdam has a lot of tram-related deaths too. Rail vehicles just are a big risk in cities. I know that they're a good way to improve capacity,, and the vehicles and infra last for decades, but i'd rather have 2 buses or a double articulated bendy bus on what would otherwise be a dedicated tram track in a city, than an actual tram. Trams are better than buses, and LimaBiker has time traveled from 1930's USA to try to convince us that streetcars are a deadly menace, but corgski is pointing out what Amsterdam would be like should LimaBiker prevail. dobbymoodge fucked around with this message at 22:17 on Apr 25, 2024 |
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Captain Hygiene posted:Wow, I did not come in here expecting to see anti trams propaganda, I thought we were better than that Someone should report the trams-phobia to the mods.
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why does it want me to "lol" befor calling 911 though?
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By popular demand posted:why does it want me to "lol" befor calling 911 though? They want you to get it out of your system before you call because laughter is contagious and they don't want the dispatcher to start laughing too
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By popular demand posted:why does it want me to "lol" befor calling 911 though? Of you lol while you call, the dispatcher won't be able to understand you and lol with you
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911, lol, this person is drowning. come collect the body, lol
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Little known fact, the Morse code sequence ...---... originally represented "lol" as an efficient way to communicate that someone was drowning, before it was ultimately expanded to account for emergencies in general
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dobbymoodge posted:Y'all are dog piling corgski for saying this: She, and yes exactly. The green line in Boston might still suck in the ways that most US mass transit sucks but it's still night and day better than the buses in the areas it serves. The US loves buses because roads get extensive subsidies that fixed rail does not get, but they're trading lower upfront investment for lower capacity, lower throughput, and higher operating costs (or endless deferred maintenance.) Anyone who wants to rip out a perfectly functional tramway and replace it with buses or even dedicated BRT lanes is a lunatic.
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dobbymoodge posted:Y'all are dog piling corgski for saying this: Did buses in post tram death in the USA run on their own lanes separate from traffic? I don't think so? Whenever i suggest a bus, i suggest trolley buses or battery + trolley buses (so no diesel fumes), and always on their own space separate from car traffic because putting buses along cars in traffic jams is just plain old stupid. But as far as i'm aware, putting the buses between the cars is exactly what happened in the USA and obviously doesn't work. But putting trams in traffic doesn't work either. It's even worse - there are a couple of streets where trams have to wait for a couple blocks to overtake cyclists, because even in Amsterdam not every street has a separated bike lane. You either cycle in the door zone between parked cars and the tram rail, or between the tram tracks, in neither of those cases the tram can overtake because there is too little space. Thinking about some streets around Hoofddorpplein. Being Amsterdam they're usually working on solutions to install a separate cycle path, but that takes time. But that's not what i'm calling for. I want buses with the capacity of trams (yes they exist, Utrecht had them) on bus lanes that look and act in every single way like tram lines, except for the fact that you can stop sooner and move over a meter or two if needed. Neither do i want anything to be demolished, it's just that places where new lines are to be developed, that they either have to make sure there are no grade crossings with vulnerable traffic (trams rolling along slightly elevated tracks with pedestrian and cycle tunnels/underpasses underneath are awesome, see Cornelis Lelylaan) or that the vehicles used are intrinsically safer and still run on their own space without cars and stuff. LimaBiker fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Apr 25, 2024 |
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holtemon posted:England has entered the chat lol If you live and work in urban areas you can get around daily with no problem. I used public transport for everything when I lived and worked in various cities (London, Birmingham and Manchester). Now I live in the middle of nowhere I drive (the roads are poo poo though).
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My guy genes start immediately inventing drinking games around this wicked device
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dobbymoodge posted:but corgski is pointing out what Amsterdam would be like should LimaBiker prevail. Ten crew killed after two Malaysian Navy helicopters collide in midair "The two helicopters were practising for an aerial display at the naval base of Lumut at the time of the incident." there's video here: https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_scgruldlrE1s1ddrj.mp4 you see two helicopters crash into eachother (in a stunt display with like 8 helicopters) and then fall to the ground behind trees in the distance. The camera person and the people around them almost get taken out by debris even though theyre very far away from the actual crash. 
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By popular demand posted:Ban all airshows. Yes, ban all jingoistic displays of
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Especially the ones that can literally and fatally crash and burn.
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