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TheKingslayer posted:*Multiple child molesters Spiderdrake posted:Who is Mel? I don't know much wrestling history. Two victims went public in at the start of the scandal in 1992, one of whom (Tom Cole) was explicitly molested; another months later with a story that rings true in terms of the Phillips part but not necessarily some other elements (the kid who asked Bruno obviously rehearsed questions with pro-WWF framing in the WWF scandals episode of Donahue), and another sued the WWF in 1999. There are probably a lot more who never came forward, but it was a different era and the story, because wrestling, was pretty much only covered in NYC tabloid newspapers, on syndicated tabloid talk shows, and in wrestling newsletters. Everyone who's ever came forward, other than the guy who sued in 1999, was from New York.
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I get the feeling Buck Zumhofe is gonna be new to some people and that story is dark.
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TheKingslayer posted:I get the feeling Buck Zumhofe is gonna be new to some people and that story is dark. And yeah, that story is so hosed up that Scott Williams (may he rest in peace) had to carefully edit Dave Meltzer's draft of that week's Observer to make it less immediately disturbing to read while still keeping the key facts.
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TheKingslayer posted:I get the feeling Buck Zumhofe is gonna be new to some people and that story is dark. I just read his wikipedia page and yeah I don't think I need more details. It went from 'probably just a carnie sleazeball from the 70s and 80s' to full on nope pretty fast
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Coolness Averted posted:I just read his wikipedia page and yeah I don't think I need more details.
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Bruiser Bob Sweetan never worked in the WWF, right? He's up there with Zumhofe. There's also Bruiser Bedlam Ion Croitoru, or Johnny K-9 as he was called in the WWF. He was a straight up biker gang member who very likely killed multiple people. Alaois fucked around with this message at 07:45 on Nov 25, 2019 |
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davidbix posted:Mel Phillips was a ring announcer and head of the ring crew until the scandals blew up in early 1992 and the allegations went public of him bringing young boys on to help with ring crew duties so he could molest them.
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Benoit should be the shoe-in, but HHH is definitely a strong #2. Whether intentional or otherwise, he's played a role in several events leading to other ramifications. Examples: -Pissing in HBK's ear and emboldening him to participate in the Montreal Screwjob, leading to Hart's WCW stint and eventual career ending concussion. -Participating in killing off 'Black Hart' Owen, leading to the return of the Blue Blazer gimmick. -Coming out of semi-retirement to job out CM Punk, contributing to his eventual walking out of the company. -Cheating on Joanie Laurer with Steph, arguably playing a role in her hasty exit from the company, entering a porn career, drug addiction, depression and eventual death. John Dudebro posted:it's absolutely vince's fault for making him do a dangerous stunt without ensuring it would be safe, but owen's death was still an accident. vince did not wake up that morning and decide he would kill owen hart Agreed. The fault lies with Russo. FullMetalJackoff fucked around with this message at 08:06 on Nov 25, 2019 |
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I don't think HHH screwing over wrestlers has anything near the real world implications of murderers and child rapists but I dunno, I guess Cm Punk is important somehow?
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Surprised Hardcore Holly isn't in this since he was known for his hazing and stiffing of younger talent, but I assume him and other similar wrestler like Bully Ray might be in playoffs or w/e unliked the for sure locks of murders and molesters
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I thought I was being quite facetious, but not obvious enough, it appears.
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KungFu Grip posted:Surprised Hardcore Holly isn't in this since he was known for his hazing and stiffing of younger talent, but I assume him and other similar wrestler like Bully Ray might be in playoffs or w/e unliked the for sure locks of murders and molesters JBL has him beat in pretty much every regard
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FullMetalJackoff posted:I thought I was being quite facetious, but not obvious enough, it appears.
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He's not 'Just as bad as Vince'. Yet. It's really just a matter of opportunity rather than any kind of ethical leaning on his part.
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Hunter isn't as bad as Vince but he's still an exec that has a huge amount of power and control in the WWE and the fed is kind of really loving terrible and he's not separate from any of the poo poo it's done. I can't imagine him going too far in bracket though just because he's so overshadowed by Vince but like he's still garbage.
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HHH will probably cruise until he hits Benoit (Vince Sr's bs might be worse than HHH's but it all happened before we were born). After that, it depends on how much this forum hates HHH.
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I feel like CM Punk should probably be a play-in considering how lovely wrestling is, but I guess it's all-WWE and I'unno, there's something poetic about him being thrown into the deep end of the scum pit.
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Dias posted:I feel like CM Punk should probably be a play-in considering how lovely wrestling is, but I guess it's all-WWE and I'unno, there's something poetic about him being thrown into the deep end of the scum pit. I can't stand Punk. Not in the least. He hits all my cringe buttons. He doesn't hold a candle to the guy he's up against though.
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TheKingslayer posted:I can't stand Punk. Not in the least. He hits all my cringe buttons. He doesn't hold a candle to the guy he's up against though. "Just when they think they've got the attorney's fee, I counter-sue the Colt Cabana."
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As disgusting as his actions were, I don't think Zumhofe should be in the tourney. He was an occasional jobber for the WWF; it's not like when he was featured player/champion in the AWA.
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Davros1 posted:As disgusting as his actions were, I don't think Zumhofe should be in the tourney. He was an occasional jobber for the WWF; it's not like when he was featured player/champion in the AWA. The thing that led me to include Buck was he was used over a long period of time and stories at the time of his arrest said some of his activities were an open secret in the business. Bruiser Bedlam was an oversight. I remembered him during a couple commutes and would forget to add the name by the time I got home. I also forgot the details of his conviction. I remembered he got off on a murder charge, then sued and got his court costs, the police station bombing but not the OTHER murder charge. So I'm going to slide him in to replace Scott Steiner, then drop Steiner into the Harris Brothers slot and make them a play in. Gives the biker enthusiasts a chance to win a match.
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So is this a WWE specific tourney, or a wrestling on the whole tourney?
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Davros1 posted:So is this a WWE specific tourney, or a wrestling on the whole tourney? It's a WWE tournament but I'm going to be inclusive and accepting in the case of Buck because those are some horrible crimes and likely some of them were done in plain sight when he did those jobs in WWE.
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Just curious because I also see names like Grizzly Smith and Invader 1 on the last.
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Davros1 posted:Just curious because I also see names like Grizzly Smith and Invader 1 on the last. The Invaders worked in the WWF in the early-mid 80s, and Grizzly Smith wrestled in a tag team during the mid 60s and eventually got a backstage job.
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Low Ki should be on there.
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fatherofmustard posted:Low Ki should be on there. What crimes did he do
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KungFu Grip posted:What crimes did he do He stiffs people
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Low Ki is mostly just a stupid rear end in a top hat.
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fatherofmustard posted:He stiffs people Sorry Paul Heyman has that market cornered. https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1199018554995159040 We're rolling.
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Paul easily. Shane sucks but he's mostly the tragic son of a billionaire who'll never know the love of his father. Heyman stole from a lot of people and hurt a lot of his workers and it is absolutely baffling to me that he's still so beloved in the industry.
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is it bad or good that paul would get blowjobs while writing bad checks to a line of wrestlers
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In my personal opinion it's Heyman all the way but I wanted to share a Shane story here since it speaks to the tournament in general. In Gary Michael Cappetta's book Bodyslams he relays a story where he meets Shane as a teen. He asks him what he knows about wrestling. Shane responds that it's important to make the wrestlers feel useless so you don't have to pay them as much.
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Shane is a product of his upbringing and while he's still lovely, he's nowhere near Heyman. I know it's a low bar to clear, but as the best of the McMahons (including Hunter), he at least deserves to not be in the main 64
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Low Desert Punk posted:is it bad or good that paul would get blowjobs while writing bad checks to a line of wrestlers good if they're good checks, bad if they're bad checks Paul wins this one with ease
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Yeah it's Paul all the way. I also have to agree with the person who said it's really fitting if shane fails to launch even in this tournament
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Shane's a failson and definitely should be in this tournament, but Paul beats him for sure.
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yes paul's enduring popularity with everyone is baffling seeing as he just hosed over everyone in ecw
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I hate Shane, but what has he done that’s really that bad?
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Feels like a good time to remind everyone of the interview where Dreamer admitted he fantasized about killing Paul and then himself at Wrestlemania 17 because ECW had collapsed and Dreamer put in a lot of his own money into it while Paul was running ECW and collecting checks from WWE. https://www.ringsidenews.com/2019/06/26/tommy-dreamer-considered-murdering-paul-heyman-before-committing-suicide-at-wrestlemania/
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