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MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!


Last year we held the first ever NY64 to determine the Most Disgusting Promotional Tactic in WWE history! The Ring Boy Scandal won and everyone wondered how anyone could watch this company. I said I'd immediately follow up with another tournament to determine the worst person in WWE history!

Well I'm lazy.



The rules are simple: I'm allowing anyone who worked for WWE for a significant amount of time, or worked in partnership with them, or basically the rules are I'm not letting Trump in. You've gotta be a home grown wrestling scumbag to get in my tournament.

Hulkamatt and I allegedly broke down half of the bracket here: https://twitter.com/MonumentalPod/status/1198644374185357313

How does it work?

Twice a day I will post a poll on twitter. You can find them here https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament and I'll post the links in the thread.

Generally the votes start around lunchtime and 8 PM Eastern.

Vote for the person you think is more of an rear end in a top hat, the person with more votes advances.

If there is a tie both assholes advance.

The #16 seeds will be determined by play in votes similar to the NCAA tournament. Play in matches start tomorrow! Hulkamatt forgot to put the seeds on the graphic but you can basically figure it out.

The results of the first tournament are here: https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1086688935596736512

Thank you to the Top Secret NY64 Championship Committee for helping vet the names, Hulkamatt for creating the bracket image and Bix for suggesting some names I wouldn't have considered!

davidbix posted:

USEFUL ADDITIONAL NOTES AFTER LISTENING TO THE PODCAST, NOW WITH RECEIPTS:

Benoit tried to bully either London or Kendrick into seducing a waitress while he, Jamie Noble, and the London/Kendrick partner his in the hotel closet, watched, and masturbated.

From their initial Highspots shoot, IIRC. Should be on Highspots Wrestling Network. Summaries:
https://whatculture.com/wwe/10-weirdest-real-life-wwe-friendships?page=10
http://the-w.com/brian-kendrick-paul-london-shoot-interview

Vince Sr helped cover up Mel Phillips, bragged on an FBI wiretap about threatening Dr Jerry Graham.

Graham info here, including FBI records: https://deadspin.com/fbi-records-show-vince-mcmahons-dad-caught-on-tape-brag-1793690848

Phillips thing mentioned by both Superstar Graham on Donahue (I know, but...) and Bruno Sammartino (to Jeff Savage in Penthouse) in 1992, as well as by John Arezzi at various times, including on his settle the beef podcast with Vince Russo.

Donahue video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPTCRnBEUJM

Donahue transcript: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6560722-Donahue-Transcript-03-16-92-OCR-Titangate.html

Jeff Savage article: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6560721-No-Holds-Barred-by-Jeff-Savage-Penthouse.html

John Arezzi on Mel Phillips: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6560726-John-Arezzi-on-Mel-Phillips-Pro-Wrestling.html

Linda was key in the Tom Cole cover up. At one point she said she didn't believe anymore that he was abused and that Mel Phillips just had a foot fetish that was misconstrued.

Tom Cole interview in Wrestling Perspective:
http://wrestlingperspective.com/issue/78/cole1.html
http://wrestlingperspective.com/issue/79/cole2.html

Tom Cole and Linda McMahon on News 12 Connecticut: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCq8t5rDhVQ

Mike Mooneyham interview with from 1993 (listed date is incorrect; only part 2 deals with Cole):
http://www.mikemooneyham.com/1992/11/01/linda-mcmahon-part-1/
http://www.mikemooneyham.com/1992/11/08/linda-mcmahon-part-2/

Bischoff was directly accused of using racial slurs in the discrimination lawsuits on top of his institutional failure. Was successfully sued for discrimination when he basically called a certain Torch columnist/elementary school teacher a child molester. Yet he learned nothing, and 18 years later, he more or less said on his podcast that Dave Meltzer looks like a pedophile.

Racism: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6531682-Thunderbolt-Patterson-Response-to-WCW-Motion-for.html

Meltzer: Episode of 83 Weeks that dropped the week of 9/11/2018.

Bruce/Torch: I can't find the actual interview anymore, but it's discussed during his April 2000 Wrestling Observer Live appearance during my call that falls apart after that point. An Observer WCW retrospective mentioned the settlement years later, not sure which one, but Bruce has mentioned it obliquely at times. This was the line, you can see why WCW would pay up:

https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1194413668307484672

Flair was accused of martial rape in Beth's divorce filing.

Part of the infamous Grantland article: https://grantland.com/features/the-wrestler-real-life/

Hogan was privately accused of raping a Mall of America public relations staffer, sued her for extortion, she countered...and he settled?!?!?

Hogan sues: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-1996-01-07-9601070379-story.html

Settlement:
Hogan book: http://bit.ly/hoganbookkennedysettlement
Court docket showing dismissal with prejudice out of nowhere on top of his admission: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/10218867/bollea-v-johnson/

Jannetty actually posted a few stories of sexually assaulting people on Wrestling Classics. The plane story is most famous, but they was also the rape by deception where had a straight friend who he told he was hooking up with a female groupie...only to find a gay guy to do it instead.

No receipts, unfortunately. It got deleted before anyone saved it. But here's an archive of the flight story, which was confirmed by others on the plane, including...Buddy Rose and one of the Bushwhackers, I think?: https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=132966&page=1

MassRafTer fucked around with this message at 14:01 on Nov 26, 2019

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MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

Davros1 posted:

As disgusting as his actions were, I don't think Zumhofe should be in the tourney. He was an occasional jobber for the WWF; it's not like when he was featured player/champion in the AWA.

The thing that led me to include Buck was he was used over a long period of time and stories at the time of his arrest said some of his activities were an open secret in the business.

Bruiser Bedlam was an oversight. I remembered him during a couple commutes and would forget to add the name by the time I got home. I also forgot the details of his conviction. I remembered he got off on a murder charge, then sued and got his court costs, the police station bombing but not the OTHER murder charge. So I'm going to slide him in to replace Scott Steiner, then drop Steiner into the Harris Brothers slot and make them a play in. Gives the biker enthusiasts a chance to win a match.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

Davros1 posted:

So is this a WWE specific tourney, or a wrestling on the whole tourney?

It's a WWE tournament but I'm going to be inclusive and accepting in the case of Buck because those are some horrible crimes and likely some of them were done in plain sight when he did those jobs in WWE.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

fatherofmustard posted:

He stiffs people

Sorry Paul Heyman has that market cornered.

https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1199018554995159040

We're rolling.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
In my personal opinion it's Heyman all the way but I wanted to share a Shane story here since it speaks to the tournament in general.

In Gary Michael Cappetta's book Bodyslams he relays a story where he meets Shane as a teen. He asks him what he knows about wrestling. Shane responds that it's important to make the wrestlers feel useless so you don't have to pay them as much.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
There used to be an easier to read list but I can't find it. Here's a breakdown of everyone ECW owed money to.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.pro-wrestling.ecw/zJ6L-Q_eJVI

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
Everyone's least favorite person found the tournament and ruined my plan to make him one of the play in entrants.

https://twitter.com/mclevy76/status/1199086556079951872

https://twitter.com/mclevy76/status/1199094938157367298

The worst people hate this tournament.

MassRafTer fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Nov 26, 2019

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

davidbix posted:

USEFUL ADDITIONAL NOTES AFTER LISTENING TO THE PODCAST;

Benoit tried to bully either London or Kendrick into seducing a waitress while he, Jamie Noble, and the London/Kendrick partner his in the hotel closet, watched, and masturbated.

Vince Sr helped cover up Mel Phillips, bragged on an FBI wiretap about threatening Dr Jerry Graham.

Linda was key in the Tom Cole cover up. At one point she said she didn't believe anymore that he was abused and that Mel Phillips just had a foot fetish that was misconstrued.

Bischoff was directly accused of using racial slurs in the discrimination lawsuits on top of his institutional failure. Was successfully sued for discrimination when he basically called a certain Torch columnist/elementary school teacher a child molester. Yet he learned nothing, and 18 years later, he more or less said on his podcast that Dave Meltzer looks like a pedophile.

Flair was accused of martial rape in Beth's divorce filing.

Hogan was privately accused of raping a Mall of America public relations staffer, sued her for extortion, she countered...and he settled?!?!?

Jannetty actually posted a few stories of sexually assaulting people on Wrestling Classics. The plane story is most famous, but they was also the rape by deception where had a straight friend who he told he was hooking up with a female groupie...only to find a gay guy to do it instead.

Well gently caress.

The next play in is up.

https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1199137003071254528

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

TheKingslayer posted:

I think I gotta go with AJ here. Being so outwardly and publicly gross with slurs kinda cinches it up.

What's the list of people Brock has hurt by the way? I know he hosed up Bob Holly and Orton and I'm not gonna weep over those two assholes.

Orton, Undertaker got concussions, Roman got "banged up" and I believe there is one other elbow concussion but I can't remember who.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
AJ's biggest non Obama racism is liking the tweet about Muslim refugees being invaders.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

davidbix posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezJKs7-v3Dc

Actually, he also said once on a hot mic that "since [The] Rock’s not black or white, people like that can say ‘[the N-word, only he said it]’ whenever they want.”

LOL I remembered him saying it about Obama.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

TheKingslayer posted:

I just noticed Fuji was on the list. I know he was allegedly a fixer for when the boys would overdose or get up to trouble but I'm curious to hear about the specifics.

He and Muraco came to help Snuka after Nancy died. So on top of all of the other fixing and ribs there's that.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
Three way dance!

https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1199382229417414659

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
The final play in!

https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1199515009631563776

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1199515009631563776

https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1199514351121641472

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

TheKingslayer posted:

Teddy Hart smacked CM Punk around in a Denny's once didn't he?

It was one of two amateur fights on Punk's record before he signed with UFC. I forget what the other loss was.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1199753145703960576

I believe 561 votes is the most votes any NY64 poll has received.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
Second half of the preview special is up with the alleged sex predator wing of the NY64, and some completely bizarre stories. Not sure if this is a great show, but I laughed a lot in between really hating people.



https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1199918540855361536

MassRafTer fucked around with this message at 06:16 on Nov 28, 2019

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
The first match up is Cornette vs Russo.

https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1200097363601371142

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
Retweets are especially appreciated for this match up in hopes either Russo or Cornette sees it and flips out on Thanksgiving.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

Gavok posted:

It's a close one, but I feel that Russo is hateful because he's an idiot and Cornette is an idiot because he's hateful. Cornette revels in being a dickhead and that gives him the edge in my eyes.

This is how I default but then I read the deposition transcripts. It's such a hard call.

https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/976580164736946178?s=19

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

Aesop Poprock posted:

Even with the Cornette stuff being fresher Russo is still a bit worse. His programming was the equivalent of an hour+ of the Ethiopian joke except brimming with palpable disgust towards women, gay/trans people, every ethnicity that wasn’t white etc. It can be hard to remember it because it’s easier to dismiss him as a wacky dude when he’s a legit terrible human being with toxic views

Russo's TV is notorious but Cornette's SMW had some deeply racist angles.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
Russo's booking definitely put more people at risk.

Also this thread has some evidence for Vince, Linda and McDevitt's candidacies.

https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1200205231793037313?s=19

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1200219295407587328

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

Liquid Communism posted:

Nope.

There are very, very few industrial accidents. Proceeding when your usual rigger refused to do the job, using substandard gear not rated for the work, and not rehearsing the stunt in full costume to ensure it was safe are on the company asking him to do the stunt.

Along with threatening to fire Owen if he didn't come to the building to do the stunt he didn't want to do.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

Drew McIntyre posted:

if i was Owen i would just get fired so i could go to WCW and still be alive. did WCW not want him. i suppose hindsight is 20/20

It's May of 99, Bret has been stagnant in WCW for a year +, Owen is making a LOT of money in the WWF and he's seen Bulldog already want out of WCW. You might not want to get fired for a stunt where you are assured everything will be alright.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
Some more content for later on in the tournament (funny I almost did the Watts match up tonight.)

https://twitter.com/davidbix/status/1200255286994452480

Also not funny, I'm so deep down this hole that this was only AS racist as I remembered. (It's incredibly racist.)

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
Linda McMahon sued because Rita's allegations ruined her sex life and that's not a joke.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1200461488558870528

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

Aesop Poprock posted:

Anything specific about Wichlinski actively abusing people, or was he just an inappropriate pervert?

Here's the Anonymous complaint that was posted about him and DeMott.

quote:

First, please understand that it is of the utmost importance that I maintain my anonymity, and hopefully by the end of this you will understand why. I have told some of my story to a reporter, but it seems that unfortunately they were yet another outlet who has been told not to touch this story. Please bear with me as I've never used reddit before.

To be honest, I’m not really sure where to start. In developmental, Bill scared us so much that it made us ashamed and scared to speak up about anything. The abusive environment was so hard to operate within, but that fear is very hard to leave behind. The few people who have come forward have alluded to some of what I want to talk about, but understand that this is a harder story to tell.

The former divas who have spoken out against the instances of sexual harassment have been punished, up to and including being fired in a demonstration of the power Bill has. When our only female advocate in talent relations tried to speak up, she was removed from the position and sent to work in the office. Now that the conversation has been restarted, it’s been made known that she is no longer with the company. At any level, women who speak up for themselves are disposable. When rumors about their departures make it out, they’re immediately buried and become yesterday’s news, but believe me - it’s true.

One such instance that has been mentioned by Judas Devlin (Austin Matelson) is the complaint of harassment against Matt Wichlinkski, the current Strength and Conditioning coach. I have attached screencaps of one such photo that he posted alongside his WWE contract. When he was caught filming/taking photos of talent’s backsides, it was brought to their attention. Some of the male talent attempted to stick up for the developmental divas and help catch him in the act (again, the fear instilled into us made it very hard to say anything), but when it was presented to Bill it was made very clear that he was not going anywhere, and any further complaints would result in dismissal because there a million girls ready to step in and take our place. In all instances of complaining about sexual harassment (including those outside of this incident), women have been forced out of the company. After one of the talents’ dismissal, when we couldn’t figure out where she went, we were told “if you go over my head, ask HER how well that works.”

This isn’t to specifically go after Wichlinski, but rather to make sure that people understand that Bill DeMott is a problem, and everything else trickles down from there. It’s been made very clear, from the removal Rob McIntyre and to the firing of at least two divas (I won’t name names as theirs is their own story to tell, but if you’ve paid attention to rumors it’s very easy to put two and two together) to numerous male talents, some of whom will not come forward, that if you use your voice against Bill you will be removed. The day after Rob told all of us in a group setting that if we had any concerns about Bill we should call the office, he was fired.

The fact is that anyone who has spoken out, including myself, are only exposing what is the tip of the iceberg. Bill has been guilty of gay-shaming, physical, mental, and racial abuse for far too long, and something needs to come to light. The stories coming out are heartbreaking, but what’s worse is that we all knew about them. Bill would openly mock Judas during training sessions for writing and going above his head, and would encourage other “chosen” talent to do so as well. His patterns of abuse are well established, and I can only hope that more can come forward so people see that this isn’t just a vendetta from “bitter” wrestlers. Bill DeMott is a monster, and we need to start asking why he’s being protected when the evidence has been piling up against him for so long.

Thank you for taking the time to listen to my story. Again, I can only hope this inspires more people to come forward. Hopefully I can provide more information in the future.

https://www.instagram.com/p/fDLkpwPeob/?modal=true

One of the few social media posts still up. Note the still he chose for video.

Wichlinski was more harassment than straight up abuse but people were reportedly fired for speaking up.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1200582556296581120?s=19

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1200829070877044736

Bix posted this which I didn't know before this tournament:

https://deadspin.com/fbi-records-show-vince-mcmahons-dad-caught-on-tape-brag-1793690848

MassRafTer fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Nov 30, 2019

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

It was mentioned Double J got a bad draw and originally he wasn't supposed to face Bedlam so it is kind of true. Bix drew my attention to the Thunderbolt testimony WRT this one, and while it isn't from TNA, this is what was said about Terry Taylor before TNA thought it'd be a good idea to hire him... and also get sued for racial discrimination.

Weird!

https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1200866100273135616

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1201226244370653186

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

Seams posted:

Lagana is a doofus but Grizzly Smith, if you believe the allegations, was an absolute horrorshow.

Lagana also has sexual harassment allegations against him.

Obviously Grizzly is much worse though.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1201312101031194629

Everyone is voting for Hogan but I want to call attention to this section from the Flair article on Grantland.

https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1201313702600986624

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
Including a note about EVOLVE that flies under the radar.

https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1201560713493385216

On top of the recent not paying talent allegations.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
Benoit's bracket should also be interesting since Hogan is getting such a huge percentage of votes in his match and the winner of that will face HHH.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
Peak Gabe.

https://twitter.com/ldpyes/status/1201634358697832454

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MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
https://twitter.com/NY64Tournament/status/1201664723655307264

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