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BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
Watched this in 2 parts on Thanksgiving and it was loving great. For those wondering where intermission is, for me the halfway point was perfect.

I liked seeing Pesci play a more reasoned, logical and measured character instead of crazy psycho guy. I like him in general as an actor and was glad to see him again. I was worried early on about Pacino hamming it up and yelling but by the 2nd act he seemed to have wisely toned it down and reminded me again why I like him so much. Just great acting, direction, storytelling and pacing all around that's really hard to find fault with.

Agree with others about the de-aging CGI being confusing regarding timelines and that it didn't really quite work. Uncanny valley and all that. A couple of fight scenes/beatings really reminded me of the actor's age and, like someone else said, KNOWING what these actors look(ed) like doesn't help anything. It's distracting and weirdly off putting. I occasionally wondered if Scorcese wouldn't have been better off casting younger, different actors in the roles instead for some of the flashbacks and time jumps but that's my only nitpick.

I didn't mind the run time at all and really dug the sad, sentimental approach that Scorcese took...a sort of "all this is meaningless" take on it. It's over. And "how much money is enough?" Hoffa could have walked away and been set for life. Any of them could have. But they don't. Just greed, power and killing.

The fish thing confused me a bit. It seemed obvious to me that the driver was lying about the fish and that the whole thing was a set up and worked out ahead of time so that Frank could sit in the back seat but maybe not. Thinking about it, not sure how they had time to work that out if it was staged but it felt that way. I took Pesci's plan to send Frank/not send Frank as both a test of loyalty but also a genuine "I know he's you boy so you need to be involved" thing. Like, "Ok. I know he's your friend but this is GONNA happen, with or without you" deal. He gave Frank a chance to make sure it was clean and quick. I also took it as an attempt at an alibi by using the plane since Russell and Frank could easily prove they were at a hotel/restaurant with their wives and not in Detroit.

Did I read that wrong? I thought the "kid" (forgot his name) was in on it the whole time?


Guess I should spoiler that. Are we tagging?

Astrochicken posted:

Nothing I can really add except to say it's kind of brutal that he's got the rest of his days to figure out why Peggy cut him out of her life and you know he won't ever fully let himself understand. It'll just slightly gnaw at him until he keels over.

Frank never really seemed that bright at any point in the movie.


I think he understood perfectly.

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BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Khablam posted:

I feel like if you do this with relatively unknown actors, people pretty much just accept it. Moonlight should be all you need to see for that to ring true.

Or IT, Sleepers, Superman, Forrest Gump...I'm leaving out 100 movies because it's been done a million times.

They even did it Goodfellas, Godfather 2 and Bronx Tale.

I really love the film but think using younger actors over the cgi would have been fine.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Payndz posted:

I can't be the only one who sees the thread title and immediately thinks of Rudy Giuliani yelling "WHO DO I TELL ABOUT THE CRIMES?"

I heard you paint white houses

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Davros1 posted:

It might have helped if they had put the year up in some of the earlier scenes.

Agreed. They tried to do it subtly with the music, cars etc. I think they even showed some movies or bands on a marquee,and also some tv news if I remember right. Stuff like that helped me a lot but maybe a little bit more of it would have added some clarity. Have a TV playing with a famous show or sporting event in the background or some news over the radio about Nixon, Vietnam of the Challenger disaster that everyone knows sets the year.

And, yeah, I can't get how anyone can hate on this movie. At worst, I could see someone thinking "it was OK" since it has its flaws but I was sucked in the entire time. Also got a kick out of recognizing actors. Some of them took me a while. I didn't pick up that was Harvey Keitel right away.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

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Isometric Bacon posted:

Ironically enough, I've never seen any of Scorceses mobster flicks (Goodfellas, Casino) etc, but I thought this was fantastic.


You need to rectify this situation

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Vegetable posted:

Didn't really enjoy this in the same way I didn't much care for Tarantino's recent love letter to Hollywood. Felt like competent directors falling short because they got too attached to their passion projects.

Wow. I'm at loss for words.

Between this, Once Upon a Time, My Name is Dolemite and Mindhunter, I feel like I've been on a mother loving redbox/netflix ROLL over the last 6 weeks. To each their own I suppose.

Out of curiosity, what are some things you've liked over the last couple of months?

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

ruddiger posted:

They should’ve split into two two hour movies, tho I’m not sure what would be a good stopping point for part 1.

Roughly half way worked out well for me. I can't remember the exact spot but if I remember right it had a chapter title or something like that.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
Some dude who does deepfakes hosed around with the de-aging and it's still not perfect but I think he did a better job overall

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dyRvbFhknRc

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

Henry Cavill's moustache and now this. The deepfake tech is better for facial modelling than building a digital model over the actor's face IMO.

It still doesn't look quite right but I think it's better. Honestly, I wonder how much I'd notice if I didn't already know about it and how the actors looked in real life.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

JBP posted:

Imagine if you got someone with a functional nervous system and lubricated joints to play a 40 year old man.

Oddly, one of the biggest times I was taken out of the film with young Frank had nothing to do with his face but when he was beating up the shopkeeper who gave his daughter some poo poo.

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BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.

surf rock posted:

I enjoyed the movie, but the thing I appreciated about it most was finally realizing why the Teamsters are called the Teamsters. I am dumb; I guess I thought they were just a generic all-kinds-of-trades union and that "teamster" was some kind of solidarity slang rather than what was originally probably shorthand for "horse wagon driver."

Also, almost all of the on-screen death texts were from 1979-1981. Was there a huge crackdown on organized crime around then?

Yes.

It was roughly around the time when the real teeth behind the RICO statutes started to work and when more and more gangsters were dealing more and more in narcotics. Wiretaps, undercovers and surveillance were becoming a bigger thing too. Tougher sentences led to more squealing and informants.

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