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mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
Great movie, not going to rank it but definitely up there with Parasite and Hippie Feet this year.

It didn't feel as long as it is, although I had to stop it about half way through because it was getting waaay to late so maybe that had something to do with it. Certainly one thing that stands out the most is how unglamorous everything is. We see Frank go from driving meat trucks to being mafia's chief house painter and for what, a nice lincoln he goes to jail for and a family that hates him? In other gangster movies you see all the parties, mansions, and other cool poo poo, but here it's only the regrets.

I didn't find the de-aging too distracting, but it was sometimes difficult to keep up what time it was supposed to be. One thing I didn't quite get is the setup with the wedding meeting. Were they planning on killing Hoffa all along? Since Frank was supposed to be at that meeting, what's with all the poo poo about going/not going at the last moment, then flying to Detroit for some reason? Why have Frank kill him at all, and not the other guy's minion?


Punkin Spunkin posted:

I forget if he did similar stuff with casino or goodfellas but i enjoyed the frequent *stop for a second to superimpose the brutal future death this random rear end in a top hat has coming to them*
Nice mob movie touch especially when they were all super hateable.
I don't think he did, but it's been ages so it's possible. I definitely liked those too. "Sentenced to 100 years, died in prison. Shot 8 times in the face in his kitchen. Blown up by a nail bomb under his porch" :getin:

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mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

Basebf555 posted:

At first Frank was setting it up as an honest meeting to make peace, but then at the last minute he was told that they wouldn't be attending after all, with the obvious meaning implied that the decision had been made to kill Hoffa. It seems that Russell or others then either reconsidered or didn't like the way Frank reacted to the decision(he was obviously unhappy), and they decided to test his loyalty by having him do the deed. They aren't sure if he is going to side with Hoffa. And he almost does, Russell warns him not to call to warn Hoffa and Frank is shown staying up all night in bed staring at the phone considering it.

That's why Frank doesn't want to sit in the front seat of the car, he thinks he might be killed as well.
Thanks, makes sense. I wouldn't have sent Frank to murder his friend but, that's just me and that's why I'll never make it as a mobster I guess.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy
^^^
Yeah digital blood looks pretty bad in general and definitely in this movie.

BiggerBoat posted:

Agreed. They tried to do it subtly with the music, cars etc. I think they even showed some movies or bands on a marquee,and also some tv news if I remember right. Stuff like that helped me a lot but maybe a little bit more of it would have added some clarity. Have a TV playing with a famous show or sporting event in the background or some news over the radio about Nixon, Vietnam of the Challenger disaster that everyone knows sets the year.
OTOH, a TV that happens to play a well known news broadcast is the Eiffel tower establishing shot of time. I think I'd prefer if they just wrote the year on screen.

BiggerBoat posted:

And, yeah, I can't get how anyone can hate on this movie. At worst, I could see someone thinking "it was OK" since it has its flaws but I was sucked in the entire time. Also got a kick out of recognizing actors. Some of them took me a while. I didn't pick up that was Harvey Keitel right away.
Bitter Marvell fans?

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