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1001 Arabian dicks posted:how do you figure? By using a brain. orange juche posted:However, from what I experienced in the beta, most pubbies in echoes are incredibly, unimaginably dumb, and local or no local you can just loving murder them on undocks while they scream obscenities at you. I'm excited to play.
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Mar 6, 2020 18:22
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orange juche posted:Without a d scanner you have literally zero way to counter play someone who is roaming via staying on your toes. Sitting alts on gates does not protect you from people who log in inside your system. i think here is where we can agree to disagree- local is a net negative on the game because it brings the barrier to entry of playing the game down to something a literal 9 year old can master while doing his math homework. god forbid people have to work together, maintain and defend structures that give them back most of local's benefits, and operate in an environment that doesn't give them perfect intel. i don't want a game where the only people that die are brand new players, AFKs, and bots whose script stopped running. highsec is already a gank-free zone, it's time to make nullsec actually interesting.
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Mar 6, 2020 19:18
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Release the game you cowards
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Mar 6, 2020 22:02
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The game will always need to balance the tools both the agressor and the defender have. I do agree instant local gives defenders a huge protection/information against incoming ganks, but removing this tool completely moves the scales far too much to the advantage of the agressor. Directional scan is what most wormholers learn to use as a defensive tool. As this scanner is not implemented at all in EE, to me completely removing local is not an option. You do not want to create a situation where the risk vs reward of simply undocking to go mine/rat/mission is too negative. (at least missions seem unreachable for now for gankers, but are there any in nullsec?) If they ever decide to make PART of nullsec with blackout I would like that. Then people can choose by which ruleset to play. Wormholes are a good example, many communities loved it. Others hated it. If they ever implement wormholes in EE, I do hope they make the scanning user friendly somewhat.
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Mar 7, 2020 12:47
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would you be okay with no/delayed/structured local if there was DSCAN?
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Mar 7, 2020 16:40
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Why are you so obsessed with local? Wait no, I don't want to know, none of your posts on the topic have made sense. Are you like this with EO too?
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Mar 8, 2020 00:28
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Sneak Lemming posted:Why are you so obsessed with local? Wait no, I don't want to know, none of your posts on the topic have made sense. Are you like this with EO too? Don’t bother with his posts in the (no locked) escape from tarkov thread either. See also the Albion online thread. Like if there was some valid criticism ok fine but a lot of it is just bullshit.
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Mar 8, 2020 00:33
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1001 Arabian dicks posted:i think here is where we can agree to disagree- local is a net negative on the game because it brings the barrier to entry of playing the game down to something a literal 9 year old can master while doing his math homework. god forbid people have to work together, maintain and defend structures that give them back most of local's benefits, and operate in an environment that doesn't give them perfect intel. Explain to me how your line of thinking refutes any of my points re: protecting yourself from a logon trap with no local and no d-scan (it's impossible) I'll wait.
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Mar 8, 2020 01:40
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orange juche posted:Explain to me how your line of thinking refutes any of my points re: protecting yourself from a logon trap with no local and no d-scan (it's impossible) "oh this ship is landing on grid with me, i guess 10 seconds to react and warp off before he gets to me isn't enough" "i could NEVER use a ship with far range because i'll only get 300 DPS instead of 450, cutting my efficiency down by 25% ;(" "play with a friend? fit a neut or defensive pvp modules? NEVER, that cuts down my efficiency!"
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Mar 8, 2020 02:11
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MarcusSA posted:Like if there was some valid criticism ok fine but a lot of it is just bullshit. imagine a world in where you think perfect, risk free, no effort instant intel of everyone in your system (and by extension, every system your allies occupy) is good game design how do you not see a problem with this?
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Mar 8, 2020 02:14
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quote:DEV NEWS -March 9 Offline Autopilot makes total sense for a mobile game.
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Mar 10, 2020 15:03
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Evernoob posted:At least "safespots" aren't a thing yet, and i'm okay with that. Capacitor trick not work in this?
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Mar 10, 2020 15:04
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1001 Arabian dicks posted:imagine a world in where you think perfect, risk free, no effort instant intel of everyone in your system (and by extension, every system your allies occupy) is good game design War scouting would be miserable. Instead of spike watching I’d have to pay attention for the 22 hours of nothing going on chain spamming dscan. Thanks, I hate it.
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Mar 10, 2020 15:14
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Sneak Lemming posted:Offline Autopilot makes total sense for a mobile game. Yeah, they had the couriering thing for moving stuff around already, offline autopilot is generally a good idea.
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Mar 10, 2020 15:40
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I'm not sure what the point of a single person outpost is?
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Mar 10, 2020 16:27
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Rhymenoserous posted:Capacitor trick not work in this? It does, good things are good
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Mar 11, 2020 03:04
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Sneak Lemming posted:I'm not sure what the point of a single person outpost is? If they set up in Null? Snacks.
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Mar 11, 2020 12:53
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1001 Arabian dicks posted:"oh this ship is landing on grid with me, i guess 10 seconds to react and warp off before he gets to me isn't enough" neat, I've never seen someone willfully admit to having no idea how non-gank combat works
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Mar 14, 2020 09:09
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Good Dumplings posted:neat, I've never seen someone willfully admit to having no idea how non-gank combat works I love the idea that fitting a neut is what's going to stop you getting ganked as well, especially when all the multiboxer is going to do is login a few more alts to make it stick if it's even in question.
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Mar 14, 2020 11:26
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Good Dumplings posted:neat, I've never seen someone willfully admit to having no idea how non-gank combat works it's odd how every time i bring up a gameplay situation most posters are just like "lol wrong!" whilst their killboard has 37 kills, which are all pos mods from 2012 go ahead and link your extensive solo pvp killboard, i'll wait.
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Mar 17, 2020 08:26
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If enabling your particular playstyle was the sole focus of this game, you would have come close to something resembling an argument. But it isn't and you just don't understand that. I suspect you're actually incapable of doing so. Full contact PvP rarely produces a commercially-viable game.
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Mar 17, 2020 13:26
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1001 Arabian dicks posted:extensive solo pvp killboard 
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Mar 17, 2020 14:46
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1001 Arabian dicks posted:extensive solo pvp killboard you literally don't know how any actual pvp works lmao
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Mar 18, 2020 08:09
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Hello Sailor posted:If enabling your particular playstyle was the sole focus of this game, you would have come close to something resembling an argument. But it isn't and you just don't understand that. I suspect you're actually incapable of doing so. best part - PC EVE's PvP operates on the exact same rules as ganking, except if you run out of time the opponent doesn't have CONCORD-strength armor and damage. and yet Uedama has hosed him up so bad that that all that went over his head and he thinks "just neut/ecm the attacker" might work ganking's a hell of a drug e: holy loving poo poo missed the "just warp off" phahaha
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Mar 18, 2020 08:23
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If your PVP doesn't crash the node, you're doing it wrong.
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Mar 18, 2020 14:59
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Good Dumplings posted:you literally don't know how any actual pvp works lmao He just wants to PvE but he's too proud to admit it.
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Hello Sailor posted:Full contact PvP rarely produces a commercially-viable game.
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I do like that he's admitting that his extensive killboard can be annihilated merely by having to briefly share a real-time chatroom with his targets. You'd think someone with actual PvP skills would rise to the challenge and step up their game instead of crying endlessly into the void here.Truga posted:lol The poster above you got what I meant, but I'll be more specific for you and 1001, who I'm sure will deliberately misunderstand it. I meant the mob-a-single-easy-target gankfest that unrestricted PvP almost always breaks down into leads to a falloff in player populations; first the targets leave, then the hunters when they run out of targets. Hello Sailor fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Mar 18, 2020 |
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how do you "rise to the challenge" of a literal invulnerability shield? the only way to gank someone in eve is if they're not paying attention. granted, it happens a lot because the game is boredom incarnate, but catching an attentive player simply can't happen. now don't get me wrong, eve is a good game precisely because you can't get caught if you know wtf you're doing and don't commit to a fight, but it also means the other guy literally can't "rise to the challenge". Hello Sailor posted:The poster above you got what I meant, but I'll be more specific for you and 1001, who I'm sure will deliberately misunderstand it. I meant the mob-a-single-easy-target gankfest that unrestricted PvP almost always breaks down into leads to a falloff in player populations; first the targets leave, then the hunters when they run out of targets. no, i got what you meant, and it's not true. even in loving eve there's not enough gankers to put a noticeable dent into people's income unless they're insanely bad and stupid at the same time, repeatedly. and eve has nullsec where there's zero consequence for blowing poo poo up. in other games where npc police is relevant it's even rarer that you ever get ganked, because you're just not worth the time.
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Truga posted:no, i got what you meant, and it's not true. even in loving eve there's not enough gankers to put a noticeable dent into people's income unless they're insanely bad and stupid at the same time, repeatedly. and eve has nullsec where there's zero consequence for blowing poo poo up. in other games where npc police is relevant it's even rarer that you ever get ganked, because you're just not worth the time. yeah, from my experience it's not really that people leave a game where ganking exists, so much as they loving swarm to a game that promises they won't get ganked, and the other games on the market suddenly don't look so big in comparison. this happened back when Trammel opened, when WoW launched, to a lesser degree you see it with FFXIV right now except the promise is "you won't get instabooted from a dungeon for being two points off optimal equipment". the main issue is just making sure that people don't feel frustrated with the activity they want to do
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yeah that is true. the kind of person who doesn't want to get murdered will simply not even start playing a game like eve 99.9% of the time. which is fine. also in a similar but opposite vein, over the last year or so, fuckin lineage 2 has been seeing a slight incline in players/revenue, which is just insane for a 17 year old game. not so insane when you realize it's one also of the very few onlines game that still features open world pvp that isn't broken in some stupid way though. yeah, it's pretty bad, and the game aged terribly, but if you want clans ganking each other in the field or doing giant castle sieges, the competition is incredibly thin.
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Mar 18, 2020 21:06
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the key is to leave the competitive portion of eve free of ridiculous safety nets, if you want risk free income go to high sec lmao
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Mar 19, 2020 03:45
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Truga posted:how do you "rise to the challenge" of a literal invulnerability shield? the only way to gank someone in eve is if they're not paying attention. couldn't have said it better myself
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Mar 19, 2020 03:46
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Truga posted:how do you "rise to the challenge" of a literal invulnerability shield? the only way to gank someone in eve is if they're not paying attention. granted, it happens a lot because the game is boredom incarnate, but catching an attentive player simply can't happen[ Pattern recognition is a thing. I’ve killed a lot of players who were awake at the wheel and just got into certain habits (warping to the same pos/station etc).
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quote:EVE Echoes Live-Streaming 2020 New faction for Echoes? The purist in me is  but the goon in me is 
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Inimicul posted:New faction for Echoes? The purist in me is gently caress yes, finally!
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May 9, 2020 19:23
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The saltier it makes purists, the better. We should adopt it en mass.
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May 9, 2020 23:50
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I'm legit excited to have mobile eve back
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And being their pet faction I'm certain it'll have a slight edge on the others.
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