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dishwasherlove
Nov 26, 2007

The ultimate fusion of man and machine.

I thought a lot of the video settings flags don't affect the analog video output at all, or does turning on scan doubling change that? (I only have 15khz monitors).

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w00tazn
Dec 25, 2004
I don't say w00t in real life

HKR posted:

I can't seem to find any method for doing that however. Does anyone know if there are ini settings I can apply that only affect the analog video out as opposed to both HDMI and analog?

The ini implies that the CRT options rely on the FPGA Scaler being used so any of those settings will have to impact both HDMI out and CRT out afaik. (You either get the analog signal scaled to your digital HDMI output and the raw analog signal coming from the core, or you get a scaled analog signal)

I believe the settings.sh script will only affect the mister main settings and won't actually read or apply to per core changes. You're better off manually editing the ini anyway and potentially having multiple ini files to swap between instead of relying on the shell script which is intended for beginners.

I'd be curious as to why your vhd files are getting corrupted when you have a video mode set weirdly, but I'd assume the game on load or DOS is trying to force a resolution it can't support/some monitor setting like CGA/EGA and it's not smart enough to reset it when you revert the config.

looking at the examples in that wiki, it's weird that vga_scaler=1 isn't set for all of ao486 examples. It probably should definitely be set.

Reading the forum thread: https://misterfpga.org/viewtopic.php?t=2375&start=120
there's a ton more options for CRT including cvt timings, but also a few people also describing crashes like you're seeing but with no real resolution other than to slow the CPU down and then speed it up after. /shrug

w00tazn fucked around with this message at 04:23 on Apr 17, 2024

lllllllllllllllllll
Feb 28, 2010

Now the scene's lighting is perfect!

Saoshyant posted:

Oh look, a newer FPGA that isn't actually vaporware! It's being chatted about on the Jotego Discord and seems like it's a step up from the DE10, with an open architecture so it can be built by anyone.

That sounds fantastic as it addresses some issues the Mister is missing in my humble opinion. So far there seems to be one guy who is selling from Spain. Hope there'll be more coverage of this device soon as well as more resellers (and perhaps a nicer case).

Coffee Jones
Jul 4, 2004

16 bit? Back when we was kids we only got a single bit on Christmas, as a treat
And we had to share it!
Got the 0mhz games loaded onto my Mister.
It'd be nice if the collection I got included Mechwarrior 2, but that's a game that really only ran properly on a Pentium II, even though the initial spec was 486SX (no fpu)

Played Doom, the 0mhz version includes a version of Fast Doom which - yeah original Doom only plays properly on a Pentium system. This sourceport runs 30% faster than original, which is funny and interesting. "Who cares? Maxing out performance on DOS doom 486 is a nerd parlor trick" but on mister this is an essentil

I also loaded the top 300 collection. They have a collection of bootable floppies organized by year. I'd forgotten that the IBM PC actually had games that booted directly from floppy. The only time I'd ever booted from floppy on actual hardware was in the slim few years before systems supported booting an OS installer from CD. Growing up I went from Apple II to Windows 95. Anyway, these games are old and you really need to adjust the CPU speed because their timing is tied to the clock. Thankfully Mister makes it easy (or at least easier than dosbox) IBM port of Lode Runner runs properly on XT @ 7mhz and too fast at XT @ 8mhz.

Fun thing, you can set the clock speed to "max (unstable)" and Doom will crash and dump the contents of its registers and stack to the screen using graphics mode. Not sure if that's part of the Fast Doom source port, but I guess that's how people debugged dos games back in the day.

Corin Tucker's Stalker
May 27, 2001


One bullet. One gun. Six Chambers. These are my friends.
I didn't catch this when it happened, but the TMNT arcade core (which also runs PunkShot + Missing In Action) moved from Jotego's paywall to a public release. You can grab it manually or on update_all.

Also, I've never messed around with Amiga stuff but Skidmarks looks rad in a Super Off Road / RC Pro-Am sort of way:

https://twitter.com/dantemendes/status/1782041130059682134

Tatsuta Age
Apr 21, 2005

so good at being in trouble


I wrote a basic wrapper for chdman after I got sick of moving the binary around when I downloaded a new pack of stuff for disc games that use .bin/.cue. Maybe it's useful for somebody else here so I put up a gist of it.

https://gist.github.com/jski/ffc18c525f237302c800a9c0aee8ab31

.chd output seems to work on the mister cores I've tried it on, so it's nice to have everything in one file instead of worrying about folders and stuff.

wolrah
May 8, 2006
what?

root of all eval posted:

The onboard Linux OS has on MiSTer feels like a pretty big feature and ecosystem beyond basic io. Am I just not thinking about it right?
The hard ARM core running Linux provides MiSTer with its file access and non-SNAC input capabilities. If you have the right kernel modules loaded MiSTer can support loading ROMs from any filesystem Linux can mount and using any input device Linux recognizes as a keyboard, pointing device, or game controller. I'm with you, that's a substantial thing for a lot of users.

Basic things like loading ROMs from a FAT32 SD card and standard USB peripherals wouldn't be too hard to support with any kind of microcontroller or soft core, and of course "SNAC" style native controller stuff goes direct to the core anyways, but someone like me who's mounting their ROM directories over SMB from WiFi while playing with a combination of Xbox pads, DIY controller adapters, and Wiimotes is going to have a serious uphill battle without Linux.

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

INSERT QUACK TO CONTINUE


Taco Defender

wolrah posted:

The hard ARM core running Linux provides MiSTer with its file access and non-SNAC input capabilities. If you have the right kernel modules loaded MiSTer can support loading ROMs from any filesystem Linux can mount and using any input device Linux recognizes as a keyboard, pointing device, or game controller. I'm with you, that's a substantial thing for a lot of users.

Basic things like loading ROMs from a FAT32 SD card and standard USB peripherals wouldn't be too hard to support with any kind of microcontroller or soft core, and of course "SNAC" style native controller stuff goes direct to the core anyways, but someone like me who's mounting their ROM directories over SMB from WiFi while playing with a combination of Xbox pads, DIY controller adapters, and Wiimotes is going to have a serious uphill battle without Linux.

Yeah, pretty much all of this. I've also got my stuff mounted over my LAN, and that's huge for me. It means I can live with just small microSD card in my MiSTer while having everything available all the time. Pretty much nobody's going to put the work into a bespoke SMB implementation, so without something like a Linux distribution, that's not likely to be an option. I really do think that the work that's been put into the Linux environment on MiSTer is seriously overlooked by a lot of people for how much it contributes to the overall experience.

On a semi-related note, I've been dinking around with wizzo's TapTo and it's a really neat way of making things pretty accessible and easy for launching favorite games or cores. I'm going to need to take some time to design some nice labels to print on my cards, though.

bone emulator
Nov 3, 2005

Wrrroavr

Is it safe to run update_all now or am I going to lose some arcade cores?

MediumWellDone
Oct 4, 2010

おいしいよね〜
ソースがね〜
濃厚だね〜

bone emulator posted:

Is it safe to run update_all now or am I going to lose some arcade cores?

You could, just like, back up your main and .rbf files, then rollback if things aren't to your liking.
One of the reasons this box is better than RPi or the like.

Saoshyant
Oct 26, 2010

:hmmorks: :orks:


Yeah, the issue is supposedly fixed, but it doesn't hurt to backup the SD card (or whatever) before you run the script. In fact, start doing this as an habit so you don't get caught by surprise.

Corin Tucker's Stalker
May 27, 2001


One bullet. One gun. Six Chambers. These are my friends.
Don't know why I never checked out the computer cores before. There's something novel about loading Dark Forces on this tiny device, pulling up the OSD and tinkering with scanlines.

It is weird that the 486 core doesn't have remapping options in the menu, though. I'd like to try using a controller's right analog stick as a mouse, put WASD on the left stick, interact and jump on face buttons, etc.

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)
https://x.com/josembarroso/status/1783770921737544093

So the arcade rom stuff was Atrac too. I really hope he's completely decoupled from anything mister related now.

hatty
Feb 28, 2011

Pork Pro
It makes sense why he did it I guess since he’s releasing a retail product soon(?) but maybe some warning next time

Kreeblah
May 17, 2004

INSERT QUACK TO CONTINUE


Taco Defender

Matt Zerella posted:

https://x.com/josembarroso/status/1783770921737544093

So the arcade rom stuff was Atrac too. I really hope he's completely decoupled from anything mister related now.

Yeah, that was . . . kind of an open secret. He was also the person behind the MAME getter and HBMAME getter scripts, which also broke at the same time as all this since the repos those depended on got yanked as well.

As far as I know, people have replaced all his stuff with other repos at this point, so he should be completely out of MiSTer now.

43% Burnt
Aug 5, 2004
DID I STUTTER

Matt Zerella posted:

https://x.com/josembarroso/status/1783770921737544093

So the arcade rom stuff was Atrac too. I really hope he's completely decoupled from anything mister related now.

Side note - Twitter is an unusable shithole now. I was interested in reading this, I'm not interested in (re)registering for Elon's autofellating hellscape to view the tweets.

8-bit Miniboss
May 24, 2005

CORPO COPS CAME FOR MY :filez:

43% Burnt posted:

Side note - Twitter is an unusable shithole now. I was interested in reading this, I'm not interested in (re)registering for Elon's autofellating hellscape to view the tweets.

The tl;dr is you can use update_all again as the sources and maintainers changed.

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)
Well, I won't post the tweet but Taki Udon is apparently working on a DE10 nano clone thats going to be 99$ with very cheap ram options.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Matt Zerella posted:

Well, I won't post the tweet but Taki Udon is apparently working on a DE10 nano clone thats going to be 99$ with very cheap ram options.

I feel like the Cyclone V by itself would be at least 99 dollars when bought in bulk. it costs $325 from mouser or digikey.

Mischievous Mink
May 29, 2012

Matt Zerella posted:

Well, I won't post the tweet but Taki Udon is apparently working on a DE10 nano clone thats going to be 99$ with very cheap ram options.

That sounds impossibly cheap but I mean if he somehow makes it happen that's amazing! I really don't know how the fpga part itself can be sourced so cheaply though, I thought de10 nanos were already extra discounted due to being student boards.

Saoshyant
Oct 26, 2010

:hmmorks: :orks:


43% Burnt posted:

Side note - Twitter is an unusable shithole now. I was interested in reading this, I'm not interested in (re)registering for Elon's autofellating hellscape to view the tweets.

You can use this link if you still want to read it. The Nitter proxy is back at least through this new domain, bless their hearts. Sadly, there's still too much useful info on that hellsite and the only way to read it in a sane way is through a proxy.

Matt Zerella posted:

Taki Udon is apparently working on a DE10 nano clone thats going to be 99$ with very cheap ram options.

lol and lmao

Taki "Youtuber prick" Udon. Taki "seriously I designed the Retroid Pocket 3" Udon. Taki "clickbait bullshit" Udon.

Really now.

Saoshyant
Oct 26, 2010

:hmmorks: :orks:


Oh, Jotego's finally back on track for Sega System 18? I've only been waiting for two years. Better late than never.

On other news, I just learned that there's been a massive update (rewrite) to the Irem M92 core. It's apparently made every game run at full speeds with actual video/audio accuracy, and there's a ton of bangers in that system like In the Hunt and R-Type Leo. Nice!

Saoshyant fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Apr 30, 2024

Saoshyant
Oct 26, 2010

:hmmorks: :orks:


Well, Taki Udon is doubling down on getting that cheap MiSTer board out and released this video, explaining it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8RSrzM7dM-Y

A mention that a bunch of unnecessary power chips from the DE10 were removed to make this clone but that it's 100% compatible with all the MiSTer software (firmware and cores).

While I'm not sure I trust TU to achieve this, if he does though, it would indeed be a massive victory in keeping the project going in case DE10 production stops/prices go even higher than they already are.

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)
15$ for the RAM is a big deal if its exactly the same at the 3.0 module.

Corb3t
Jun 7, 2003

I think this is great news for the community in general, but the non-Chinese vendors have to be a little annoyed AliExpress products are going to take a huge chunk out of their profits when the existing ecosystem fragments.

mysteryberto
Apr 25, 2006
IIAM
I hope the clone performs as well as advertised. I love my mister but can see the price being too steep especially now for someone on the fence to buy one. At around one hundred bucks the user base should greatly increase.

yoloer420
May 19, 2006
Did he address the price of the SoC/FPGA itself?

IShallRiseAgain
Sep 12, 2008

Well ain't that precious?

mysteryberto posted:

I hope the clone performs as well as advertised. I love my mister but can see the price being too steep especially now for someone on the fence to buy one. At around one hundred bucks the user base should greatly increase.

Yeah, the MiSTer seems neat, but its super expensive for something that a PC can already mostly do fine. I've been on the fence for awhile.

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry
For comparison when I jumped in 2020 it was like $250 to go all in with the minimum components.

Anyway, a big MiSTer main update finally hit (it's been 4 months) that rolls up the various updates that were needed or helped the N64 and Saturn cores that you could previously only get with unstables main releases.

bone emulator
Nov 3, 2005

Wrrroavr

Might get a clone board and use it exclusively for something stupid like Tate mode or as a fpga 486.

DR FRASIER KRANG
Feb 4, 2005

"Are you forgetting that just this afternoon I was punched in the face by a turtle now dead?
I'm absolutely buying one if they come out and using it for an arcade cabinet.

w00tazn
Dec 25, 2004
I don't say w00t in real life

yoloer420 posted:

Did he address the price of the SoC/FPGA itself?

Him and his partner engaged Altera directly and the BOM for the FPGA was a lot (significantly?) cheaper than they were being told off hand before they started cloning which is why they even considered cloning in the first place.
Some other FPGA guy was saying the Cyclone V is like $5 per part at scale.

Coffee Jones
Jul 4, 2004

16 bit? Back when we was kids we only got a single bit on Christmas, as a treat
And we had to share it!

mysteryberto posted:

I hope the clone performs as well as advertised. I love my mister but can see the price being too steep especially now for someone on the fence to buy one. At around one hundred bucks the user base should greatly increase.
yeah the emulation part is almost secondary when compared to things like
SNAC adapters https://ultimatemister.com/product-category/mister-snac/
or Mistercade which replaces an arcade board and plugs into the cabinet hardware https://misteraddons.com/products/mistercade https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJBBfxX-E4c
And it's a godsend for people with CRTs and consoles whose boards have rotted to pieces because of burst capacitors.

https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Altera/5CSEBA2U23C8SN?qs=TN6zvtaX%252BaPZXp%2FJqGbGgA%3D%3D
https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/intel/5CSEBA2U23C8SN/4901256
searched for part number 5CSEBA2U23C8SN
both ~$80, so I don't imagine the price falling much in bulk to anything approaching raspberry pi pricing. :shrug:

e: okay not the exact part number on the DE10 Nano board, but lowest in the Cyclone V family is $60 for the chip alone.

Coffee Jones fucked around with this message at 04:15 on May 6, 2024

yoloer420
May 19, 2006
If they can provide the units at that price it'll change a lot more than just FPGA gaming. I'd be very happy if I could get something around the v200k LE size for under $500.

univbee
Jun 3, 2004




My hope is that a "good enough" DE10 Nano clone (or at least compatible enough with the existing stuff) that's around half price becomes available, both to hoard a few boards for projects and also because my brother wants one but not at the current DE10-Nano prices.

bone emulator
Nov 3, 2005

Wrrroavr

I probably misunderstood, but wasn't one of the problems with the n64 core to do with the onboard ram of the DE10?
Could a clone board presumably solve this?

Matt Zerella
Oct 7, 2002

Norris'es are back baby. It's good again. Awoouu (fox Howl)

bone emulator posted:

I probably misunderstood, but wasn't one of the problems with the n64 core to do with the onboard ram of the DE10?
Could a clone board presumably solve this?

Saturn at first but that's been resolved. A big one is the Midway arcade core. Specifically Mortal Kombat.

Coffee Jones
Jul 4, 2004

16 bit? Back when we was kids we only got a single bit on Christmas, as a treat
And we had to share it!
Wes Fenlon has an interview with Taki Udon. Unsure if there’s anything new here

https://www.readonlymemo.com/cheap-mister-fpga-clone-taki-udon-details-interview-release-plans/


I wonder how the mister project affects students using the DE10 nano for their class or if profs just switched boards when supply became scarce

E: here’s a list of schools using terasic gear - but there’s a world of difference between “intro to varilog” and emulating an NES.
https://www.terasic.com.tw/cgi-bin/page/archive.pl?Language=English&No=329

Coffee Jones fucked around with this message at 11:30 on May 7, 2024

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Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
Every FPGA class I've had has either used cadence software and only simulation, or used Vivado and some digilent board.

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