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mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Happy December you fucks, let's get this pile of shite of a government right to gently caress


E; oh, and join the discord and help us with the podcast!

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mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Feel free to scroll past this post, I just need to vent a touch.



I was just watching a youtube video from a guy in Japan, and he was near one of the giant hornets they have over there, and it just reminded me of the only nightmare I've ever had/remembered in my adult life, and I have the heebie-jeebies now, so I'm hoping writing it down will make me feel better.


In the nightmare, there was some kind of swarm of those japanese hornets.
Real ones are typically under 5cm long, and about 5/6cm wingspan, but in the nightmare as well as all those size ones, there were massive ones, and one such one clamped itself onto the front of my face.

Now, the real hornets can already be lethal with their stings if you're unlucky, so if this fucker in my dream had decided to sting I'd have been loving dead, and I just had to calmly walk around trying not to upset it for hours.


I woke up before there was any resolution to the problem, and now when I hear about those hornets it's all I think of - me having a huge one of those stuck to my face, unable to do pretty much anything for fear of death.

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


VideoGames posted:

I made a lovely capture. It goes great with the picture they chose:



mehall
Aug 27, 2010


To add to what everyone else has said, a poll of 1000 is roughly a 3% margin of error for the population of the UK.
(It's about 4% for the US IIRC)

Beyond that is diminishing returns, you don't get much more usable data (assuming your sample is representative in the ways you need it to be) without going for a MUCH larger sample.

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


https://twitter.com/FrankSobotka14/status/1203948816153616384?s=19

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Gonna crowdsource this.

Does anyone have a favourite, short, video moment from each week of the campaign?

I'd like to edit a couple into a video for the livestream to give a sort of "history of the election" thing.

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


thespaceinvader posted:

The 'past/now/future' video was probably my favourite out of the whole thing. You know the one with the guy in the silver jumpsuit with the electric shock collar or whatever it was?

That was the one that made me realise that they were really pushing for the youth vote.

If anyone knows where this video was, let me know, because I can't find it.

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Bardeh posted:

Maybe not the right place to ask, but that Momentum twitter video posted on the last page had it in - does anyone know why a lot of videos these days have the little coloured progress bars? That Momentum one had one for each little segment, resetting after each cut. Many videos on Facebook have it too - it's not the Facebook video progress bar, it's something the creators superimpose themselves on the video.

This is a guess, but I suspect it's easier to keep someone's attention if you're showing them multiple short segments, and these individual progress bars demonstrate your progress through each bit clearly and simply.

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


BoneMonkey posted:

when does it start?

Half 9 over at twitch.tv/praxiscast

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Thanks for watching the stream BalloonFish (and everyone else who joined us) it was a great way to raise my personal morale too.

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Rakosi posted:



This thread has never been one that has had its finger on the pulse of the whole of British politics; it's the United Kingdom Marxist Thread.

Show me when we've claimed to?

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


MikeCrotch posted:

Any notion that the Labour party need to appeal to the "centre" to get elected so they can enact left wing policies is handily forgetting that outside Scotland centrist liberals ate poo poo. There is no appetite for it at all, you just need to look to the continent to see what's happened to PS in France, SPD in Germany etc when a centre-left party forgets the "left" bit.

You also don't really need that carve out of "beyond Scotland".


Yes, the SNP are absolutely a broadly centre- left liberal group, but first that's not how they portray themselves, and secondly at the end of the day they do argue in favour of some nationalisations, something blairism wouldn't.

They're left by the standard of "Blair is the centre", even if it's centre left, and most of their voters would happily vote for something further left too, if they thought there was any chance of it being implemented.

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Rakosi posted:

It would've been a lot better. At the very least Boris would've had a slimmer majority, though giving the ERG power might not've been good either. Corbyn was a mouthpiece for Momentum and I think some people are underestimating how visible and toxic that group (some of you guys) was seen to be by many. There were a lot of people in the media talking about it unfavourably already, and then when Corbyn appeared to defer to them for key 'leadership' decisions it really did put the engraving on his political tombstone.

If "The left have a motivated base of activists and that's scary" is enough to put people off Labour then we're hosed.

The issue is, prior to Corbyn the centrist line was "we spent too much, we need to balance the budget".
Now, borrowing for investment is, in moderation, a reasonably centrist policy and we'll have nationalising the rails in the manifesto till it happens.


But if we cede the ground and say "we live in the centre", you get the Tories being radical (Thatcher, Cameron) and Labour meekly saying "we'll be a bit less cuntish about it, we promise" and just encourage the right to be radical again.

As has already been stated, Boris' manifesto is economically to the left of May's, who herself borrowed from Miliband's desire Ed's being called loony left

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Venomous posted:

Also, something nobody has mentioned: in 1983, Labour won 41 seats in Scotland (out of 209), compared to 1 in Scotland this year (out of 202).

They actually did better in England and Wales this year than they did 36 years ago. If Labour were pro-independence (or at the very least accepted the possibility of Scottish independence) they would have done a lot better on the whole. As it stands, they only look a lot worse because Scotland is so pro-SNP.

Like, honestly, if you assume that the Scots are gone after Brexit, it makes it so much easier for Labour to get their poo poo together down south. Scotland is a lost cause.

I've been trying to work out how to say this for a few days now, so I'm stealing this.

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Random Integer posted:

"Actually the party with less than 4 million votes is more popular than the party with more than 10 million" is a take so stupid a take so stupid even the Lib Dems aren't pushing it.

Give them a break, it's been a tough weekend for them.



Their staffers are working on the bar charts now.

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


OwlFancier posted:

I really wish you would stop this this constant assertion that labour needs to become a nationalist party.

I doubt venomous likes it any more than you do, but the point that has been repeatedly made is that a Labour leader who visibly values non-brit lives at an equal level to Brit lives will suffer electorally for the foreseeable.

I'm all for hearing how we can change that situation, but it's definitely the situation we are currently in.

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Cast_No_Shadow posted:

Made but not really backed up

I'm basing it on reflections on the election that have been linked in this thread, and shared in good faith by people I trust on twitter.

This is the first time it's been explicitly linked as "nationalism", but that's what it is.
A lot of people want to know what the Government is going to do for them, and if they're doing well, we can help out in other areas too.

I sure as poo poo don't like it, but the SNP are also an example of how it can be done whilst still welcoming immigration.
That said, I want them to get off the "it's good for our economy" train, and onto the "they don't deserve any less than we have, that's what being a tolerant nation is" train, but I'm not an SNP member so I'm limited in how I can move that needle.





Edit; again, to be clear, it's possible to say "lets improve our lot in life" without having that also say "and stop any of those black Muslim IRA terrorists taking advantage"

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Hell, naming anything nationalised "British <THING>" is nationalism, but I can bet most of you are onboard with calling it British Rail when it gets nationalised again for "nostalgia"


But also legalise an Nationalise weed and call it British Grass

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Azza Bamboo posted:

The left are saying "we will not hold our nose for a centrist candidate"

I think most, though not all, of is would vote for the centrist candidate.
What we wouldn't do is be out door knocking, leafletting, tweeting, podcasting, etc etc.

Some of these have a higher return than others (roughly in the order I listed tbh) but as has already been said - turnout from 1997 to 2015 (inclusive) was low, and it has increased through voter engagement and excitement.(on the Tory side as well as Labour)

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


jaete posted:

I'm certain that there exist (or at least can exist) people who could completely sell this kind of vision

"Listen, you gotta pay your fair share - you gotta pay your share, if you're a taxpayer you gotta pay, if you're a company you gotta pay, you need to pay your fair share. If you're a big company and you don't want to pay, you can gently caress off! What we need to do with these firms is we gotta call their bluff. Yeah? They keep whining about how they'll leave and then there will be no businesses left. Well guess what, they're just trying to bully us into submission. Way you deal with bullies is, you look them in the eye and you invite them to loving try it then. Are we not strong enough to do that? What, is the British market too small? Are the people here too poor? No, these big firms, they loving want our business - they want to be here, they will still be here even if their tax goes up by a few percent - they're just trying every trick they know to get out of paying their fair share. Sure, we could fall for their bullshit, if we were suckers. But we're not. Call their bluff - they gotta pay their fair share. You gotta know how to deal with bullies."

"Are you a bad enough dude to save the president tax the corporations?"

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


forkboy84 posted:

I think that's a winning ticket. But then I am a socialist.

Yeah, bit fan of this ticket, though I will say I'm not sure who is gonna be RLB's chancellor - everyone (socialist) who hasn't necessarily wanted RLB for leader has said she'd make a great chancellor, but I have no idea who the follow up choice is if Becky has the big seat

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Kraftwerk posted:

Can someone catch me up on why Scottish labor is so bad? Isn’t Scotland an extremely left wing part of the UK? I mean Mark Blyth is from there.

They basically knew they had Labour safe, so it was all party apparatchiks that were selected in the Blair years.
Same issue as Wales.

There's some good socialists making more waves now, but in many seats, if you vote Labour instead of SNP, you might risk the Tories, and the SNP are more left than the ScotLab blairites.

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Sorted most of the discord issues,

Guavanaut posted:

I could see them all until about 3 days ago and then they disappeared.

Guava if you can do the !authme thing in the #entryism channel I'll be happy to get you sorted.

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


baka kaba posted:

has our good buddy Sanitary Naptime been around?

He took some personal time after the election, but as evidenced by the new podcast episode, is around.

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


gh0stpinballa posted:

the guy who said rory stewart looks like a horse in a oval office suit

I remember that line, but not who said it.

I'm not on this episode, but I know it wasn't me.

Naptime also isn't on this episode, he just edited it.

Coohoolin is on this episode, but I don't think it was him wot said it.

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Bacon Terrorist posted:

I want a dark chocolate orange this year. My wife hates dark chocolate though. Am I hallucinating or was there white chocolate oranges once?

Not since 2007 IIRC

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


OwlFancier posted:

Can you get deep fried battered {literal anything if you ask nicely} in Scottish chippies?

Yes

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Communist Thoughts posted:

who are the corbynista candidates and are they any good? RLB and raynor? pidcock is dead

e actually more broadly, are any of the candidates good? like charismatic or smart?

Rayner is standing for deputy, they're pushing it as an RLB/Rayner ticket.


Clive Lewis is problematic with women

Jess Philips is a TERF

Lisa Nandy is backed by Blue Labour

Emily Thornberry said in the middle of the windrush scandal she didn't have a problem with a "hostile environment"

Keir Starmer will inevitably court the centre more than the left and is easily portrayed as out of touch londonista.

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


I do, and appreciate it

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Braggart posted:

People get knighted for services to the monarchy, or to some other powerful oval office. At best, they get knighted because some powerful oval office wants to benefit from their popularity.

All knighthoods are bastards. AKAB.

The sole, singular counterpoint I have is Sir Terry Pratchett, who after being knighted collected meteorites from his garden, and enlisted the help of a smith to forge them into a sword "because a knight really ought to have his own sword"

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


Bobby Deluxe posted:

The thing is, private healthcare firms are going to have to find a way to get insulin through, since diabetes (at least type i) can hit rich and poor alike. They're not going to let rich people die.


No free trade deal means just that - no free trade.

The rich won't be affected, because they can pay import charges or go to Spain or Canada or wherever.

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mehall
Aug 27, 2010


I said it before, and nobody really argued -

Almost everyone here in favour of nationalising the railways would call them British Rail again, and that's a miniature version of nationalism, it's possible to say "hey, this is good, and is what we want the world to see as represents us"

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