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I guess there's the idea that johnson should be made to do things he's afraid of doing.
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Dec 1, 2019 08:58
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https://twitter.com/HackneyAbbott/status/1200853524680232963 Better response from abbott than I was expecting tbh.
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Dec 1, 2019 10:24
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It's certainly ironic that someone who seemingly spent quite a bit of time focusing on rehabilitatation in the justice system was killed by tory refusal to fund rehabilitation in the justice system.
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Dec 1, 2019 11:53
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I feel like if IBS comes round your house and says you'll lose it if you vote labour that's probably a threat. Also don't invite him in, that's how he feeds in the night.
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Dec 1, 2019 13:32
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Actually I'm not sure it really was IDS because he showed up in the photograph.
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Dec 1, 2019 14:16
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It's winter that makes me glad of my natural fur carpet. I once shaved my beard back for christmas, never again.
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Dec 1, 2019 14:33
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I was thinking if you're already at cocytus you're gonna have to go out the other side next time. Hopefully by the time we get through purgatory we're poised to launch the assault on heaven and turn it red. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 14:50 on Dec 1, 2019 |
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Dec 1, 2019 14:48
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If labour end up C&S with the SNP I'd predict extending the franchise to 16, including for the brexit vote, and then another election the minute the SNP vote against anything in the manifesto.
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Dec 1, 2019 15:37
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Going off the guardian: "Labour would reduce the voting age to 16 and give full voting rights to all UK residents. There would also be automatic voter registration." So yeah, even if we can only manage a minority government, as long as they can get the franchise changes in I think we'd be in a really good place. Not least because the tories would be in absolute disarray if they lose seats I think. Especially if it decapitates half the current cabinet (figuratively or literally, your choice) Downside of course is that universal franchise means coohoolin's gonna vote SNP so hard they end up winning 400 seats. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 15:44 on Dec 1, 2019 |
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I suspect labour might take the same position as the tories re: parliamentary obstructionism in that case but with far more justification.
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Dec 1, 2019 15:54
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I recommend doing your damnedest to get an actual cotton one though, they keep so much longer and wash much better.
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Dec 1, 2019 16:20
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Jel Shaker posted:They’re going to want to call this a generational divide election, when in reality it’s a have and have-nots divide election It's kinda both in that brexit is 90% just culture warring for the old and racist. Same with the whole tory platform really, it's spite for people who substitute spite for all other elements of their personality.
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Dec 1, 2019 16:50
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How... do you not know what a stairlift is? Even if you've never seen one IRL even I of all people have seen an advert for one.
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Dec 1, 2019 17:07
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I get fairly startled reactions when I do that in shops. E: Help, not poo poo all over the place.
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Dec 1, 2019 17:22
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Rust Martialis posted:poo poo and piss on the floor? I bet. Pre-empted you smartarse.
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Dec 1, 2019 17:28
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unwantedplatypus posted:Would somebody mind giving an semi-detailed explanation of how the left retook the labour party in Britain; and also what Momentum is and what it does? Understandable if y'all would rather point me to a link. Essentially Milliband (I think) introduced one man one vote for leadership elections because the labour right who controlled the party mistakenly believed this would return right wing candidates rather than union backed center left candidates. This may have been true, if not for the fact a tiny handful of old left MPs nominated each other for the leadership election each year, and Corbyn came up for the 2016 election. The other three were a right trio of absolute centrist melts and the contrast between him and them was night and day. He won by an absolute landslide because it turns out the labour membership is full of actual lefties. His leadership caused the party membership to surge to 500 thousand as more people became enthused by the prospect of an actually left wing politician. Momentum came into being as essentially an outside-the-party-but-intersecting-with-it organization, to push a left, pro corbyn effort into all areas of the party apparatus. Over the last three years they've worked to ensure left wing, pro corbyn candidates get into all the important places via the stalinist nazi method of "putting them up for election and telling people it'd be a good idea to vote for them" Really the labour party has just elected itself into becoming more left wing, the 2017 election saw a lot of the right quit and some good lefties get in, and some from the 2015 crop were good too. Turns out when you give a democratic socialist party the power to vote its own leadership in, it picks decent sorts? If you want a US comparison, imagine if the DNC was freely selected by the membership, and also the democrats were an actual party of labour and always had been save for a weird blip in the 90's.
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It absolutely came into being during the leadership contest yeah, though Corbyn I think was clearly dominating the others for most of that.] God I kinda miss those day, just the sheer "whaaaaa?? moderate leftist policy??? this is insane!!" from the press. And the articles about how corbyn was clearly mad and we desperately needed liz kendall; computer user to save us.
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Dec 1, 2019 17:45
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Y'all are weird if you don't eat anything offered to you imo.
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Dec 1, 2019 19:23
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unwantedplatypus posted:I see. And yeah if you haven't guessed I'm paying attention to this election because I think there are important parallels (and important differences) between the situation in the UK and the US with regards to left resurgence; and I figure its probably worthwhile to see if there's anything here I can take home, so to speak. My advice is use your chronosphere to go back in time and develop a worker funded and directed party. Failing that though Bernie does seem to have some inklings towards refusing big money and working outside the structure of the DNC so that's a good idea, imo.
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Dec 1, 2019 19:34
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I assume the secret barrister has a good writeup of it.
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Dec 1, 2019 19:39
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Boris actually plagiarized the secret barrister to do his long tweet thread about it which is p. lol.GreyjoyBastard posted:rip owlfancier, poisoned by a tory infiltrator The tories can barely muster enough people to guard their own lovely MP much less inflitrate us lol. Besides I think I'd see some jimmy saville looking mother fucker or hitlerjugend a mile off.
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Dec 1, 2019 19:46
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Hizballah, like hezbollah but with fancy alloy rims.
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Dec 1, 2019 19:53
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unwantedplatypus posted:After following him for, I suppose years now, it honestly seems like Sanders' goal is to, at the very least, establish a permanent socialist faction in the democratic party. Which admittedly is somewhat hard because the Democratic party is 1) fairly decentralized and 2) not very democratic. Honestly I don't know what the US is gonna do tbh. Yez have wayy too much money in politics. The UK has strict financing regulations that mean our elections go on a fraction of the spending the US does, and of course it's a big industry over there for you guys too. And yeah both your big parties are fundamentally in with the big money. You might have an easier time organizing outside the democrats tbh, via the DSA or such. Basically you can use the democrats but you organize under a different, more democratic organization to prevent being compromised via the democrats' power structure and ties to big money.
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Dec 1, 2019 19:57
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Corbyn's canceled because the magpie is way overrated, go to trencher's instead.
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Dec 2, 2019 06:14
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Queen's dead, so says gibbo, ricey, and cheeks.
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Loving all the squealing hogs on twitter whingeing about how corbyn's gonna cause more rail strikes by... mandating multiple crew on all trains thus ending the strikes?
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Also did twitter forcibly delete the queen off the trending section lol
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/02/14million-voters-live-areas-held-same-party-since-second-world-war?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other So, the takeaway is definitely problems with the electoral system and not massive inequality meaning those places keep wanting to vote for the same people in huge margins...
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Braggart posted:https://twitter.com/jessphillips/status/1201084477730119680 https://twitter.com/MrColinHill/status/1201107878645501952 Boy howdy it's be a real shame if there were a spectacularly profiteering industry that exists to gouge people for the death of their relatives while providing virtually no service.
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Jaeluni Asjil posted:labour manifesto grey book: This one? https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/Funding-Real-Change-1.pdf
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Sanitary Naptime posted:Don’t do this to me while I’m stuck in work They're gonna have to weekend at bernies the queen through the state visit so they can save the embarassment of this going down in history as the gibbo accession.
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Dec 2, 2019 10:08
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No mention of the dick pic, shameful. #jesuisgibbo
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Dec 2, 2019 11:27
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People keep tweeting at the electoral commission lol. https://twitter.com/ElectoralCommUK/status/1200390711264382976 https://twitter.com/ElectoralCommUK/status/1191770096257114114 #didyouknow we're loving useless?
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https://twitter.com/mmusJu/status/1201473196211474432 E: apparently this was a while ago but still, good news for knocking IBS out.
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Rarity posted:I leave the thread for 24 hours and what the gently caress do you people do to the news? Don't blame me, I voted for Ricey, #nevergibbo.
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Holy poo poo there's a left wing version of insane right wing facebook images. https://twitter.com/MontyBestUK/status/1201476770903576576 Like I don't technically disagree with the point but I feel like it could be communicated in a way that doesn't make me want to run the other way.
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Dec 2, 2019 14:06
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I mean I'd be a little bit leery of invoking the holocaust to criticise austerity?
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Dec 2, 2019 14:25
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I'm getting severe cognitive dissonance between style and content at the very least yeah.
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I would suggest that even if you ignore the obvious contextual problems of a pro-labour campaign in 2019 appropriating imagery from the holocaust to make its political points, austerity is its own thing? It's not a particularly good comparison because it's not the tories sending out actual death squads to round up and murder people industrially because of their ethnicity, it's really just... how capitalism works but turned up slightly. The idea that wealth and the concentration of wealth at the top of society is good and nothing else matters, including people's lives, combined with the aristocratic mindset that the people who go to the posh schools and have all the money are better than everyone else. It's not the same as ethnic cleansing, for more or less exactly the same reason that anticapitalism is not antisemitism. Austerity is more or less pure class war, just in the other direction.
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