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There really should be an option to make Niko choose for themselves.
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Jan 25, 2020 02:06
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C'mon, kid. Time to go home.
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Jan 25, 2020 02:08
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I'm gonna be honest: for me, this was the point where OneShot lost its goodwill. I did not take kindly to having a bullshit sadmaking choice imposed on me out of the blue (nor is this the first video game to have done so) and frankly, reliving this moment through the LP I find I'm still a bit raw about it. In my game I made a decision, because nobody was going to make it for me, but here I will abstain as a form of meaningless protest.
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Jan 25, 2020 02:13
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Smash the sun. I chose the other way in my playthrough and I want to see what happens.
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Jan 25, 2020 02:24
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We can't give up. You'll go home, wake up in your own bed like it was all a dream... but will it ever sit right with you? Giving up these people's hope for them? There's got to be chance for something better, for them and for you... Return the sun.
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Jan 25, 2020 03:28
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Smash the sun I returned the sun when I played, and want to see what happens when you take the selfish option.
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Jan 25, 2020 04:42
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Niko is a good kid. Emphasis on kid Smash it
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Jan 25, 2020 05:38
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Break the Sun. Selfish would be to encourage a child to suffer for the sake of narrative satisfaction. Although the effect of your choice (at least as far as we understand it at this point; I haven't played it) is ultimately completely different, it reminds me of The Ones Who Walk Away From Omelas.
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Jan 25, 2020 06:34
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Break the sun. 
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Jan 25, 2020 06:37
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HardDiskD posted:The world is on its way out, and as we've been hearing, the world will still live on borrowed time. Also, I'm not sure it's fair to Niko to trap them here. My thoughts exactly. Return Home
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Jan 25, 2020 06:49
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NIKO SMASH Ah well, it was fun while it lasted.
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Jan 25, 2020 07:31
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There is yet hope. Let us return the sun so that we can find a way to return Niko home, as well. I don't believe this binary choice will be the end.
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Jan 25, 2020 07:45
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Pretend like you're going to return the sun but then "accidentally" fall over and smash this sun into a billion pieces. You only get one shot at that kind of high-quality goof.
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Jan 25, 2020 07:54
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Time to go home, Niko.
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Jan 25, 2020 08:23
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Return the sun. Staying in this world won't be that bad, really. There are friends. There are pancakes. There's a library with books to read. When Niko's old enough they can marry a sexy robot like Silver or Rowbot. Hell, I'd take Niko's place just for the unlimited free pancakes.
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Jan 25, 2020 08:31
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Mechanical Ape posted:I'm gonna be honest: for me, this was the point where OneShot lost its goodwill. I did not take kindly to having a bullshit sadmaking choice imposed on me out of the blue (nor is this the first video game to have done so) and frankly, reliving this moment through the LP I find I'm still a bit raw about it. Yeah, I'm not liking this at all either. I hate games doing this as well. There had better be a way out. That said... Return the sun. If Niko goes home they're never going to be absolutely sure this was a dream and they shouldn't spend the rest of their life haunted by thinking that they might have done something terrible.
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Jan 25, 2020 08:34
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when I first played this game, iirc this legit took me like 20 minutes to choose. I like to "roleplay" as a god-like figure in this kind of game rather than just make my own decisions (if that makes sense), and I went through a whole inner narrative thing where I tried to approach the problem from different angles, debate with older made-up gods higher up on the hierarchy, and even look up what would happen ahead of time (I found nothing). I decided on returning Niko home back then, and I still do. my final conclusion was that the world's dying anyway, but Niko was never supposed to be here. our responsibility was never to the world. it was always to Niko. also, not to get too invested and yell at people for playing a video game wrong, but defending the choice of trapping Niko here with "well they're going to be haunted by this even if they get home" is just shallow. is it preferable for them to be haunted by a lifetime of separation from their family and home, then? (oh and the extra touch of all the avatars in that conversation was cool and I'm flattered mine was on there too) fluffyDeathbringer fucked around with this message at 16:50 on Jan 25, 2020 |
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Jan 25, 2020 15:24
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Return the sun.
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Jan 25, 2020 15:54
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Jan 25, 2020 18:03
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fluffyDeathbringer posted:also, not to get too invested and yell at people for playing a video game wrong, but defending the choice of trapping Niko here with "well they're going to be haunted by this even if they get home" is just shallow. is it preferable for them to be haunted by a lifetime of separation from their family and home, then? Yes. Missing people who as far as you know are alive and well is preferable to guilt over killing people.
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Jan 25, 2020 18:32
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I view it this way: the sun's not going anywhere if we return it, but if we smash it now, there's no going back. We don't have all the information, but we can follow through at any time once we're better informed. Return the sun.
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Jan 25, 2020 18:44
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Return the sun.
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Jan 25, 2020 20:04
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Smash the sun. If they feel guilty about it later, they can always remember that it was our decision and not theirs.
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Jan 25, 2020 20:31
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Materant posted:I view it this way: the sun's not going anywhere if we return it, but if we smash it now, there's no going back. We don't have all the information, but we can follow through at any time once we're better informed. This. We're flying on very little information and half of it comes from a figure who has been actively deceptive.
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Jan 25, 2020 20:48
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Materant posted:I view it this way: the sun's not going anywhere if we return it, but if we smash it now, there's no going back. We don't have all the information, but we can follow through at any time once we're better informed. Return the sun. This is my view as well. Return the sun!
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Jan 25, 2020 22:04
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There isn't really a good option here, obviously. But I'm going to give the logic that I went with when I first encountered this choice, thinking back on the events. This world, as it stands, is ending. And not just because of the sun. The computer entity is creating glitches and squares and death throes across the land, and clearly wants this all to end. Nothing we've seen seems to suggest that returning the sun is going to fix THAT. It sustains the world by giving it new light, but that's just more borrowed time for squares to encroach, for people to gain hope that will easily just fall away. It's completely unclear how much time there will be. But the world's still going to end, and not in a very nice way. And Niko would still be here, stranded from her family and home, someone utterly wonderful who didn't ask for any of this and otherwise could have survived. Smash the sun. You can argue for days about the morally right choice from different viewpoints. My own ideas of what's better in this scenario can change from time to time, but this is what I picked when I ran into it myself. And if returning the sun wins out, that's a completely legitimate answer too.
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Jan 25, 2020 22:20
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Here are the current tallies with about a day to go: RETURN HOME: 13 HardDiskD ,Arcanuse ,Ultrafilter ,Vauron ,Slaan ,Qvlvaran ,BisbyWorl ,SweatyGear ,Regallion ,Trick Question ,Jade Rider ,fluffyDeathbringer ,Jadecore RETURN THE SUN: 12 SSNeoman, TooMuchAbstraction, Mzbundifund, neopie, theblackw0lf, GeminiSun, Lynneth, ArchWizard, Black Robe, Night10194, idhrendur, Amidiri That is incredibly close. I didn't think it would be that close to be honest.
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Jan 26, 2020 02:56
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RETURN THE SLAAAAABBB- I mean Sun.
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Jan 26, 2020 03:31
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Return the sun
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Jan 26, 2020 03:33
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Return the Sun
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Jan 26, 2020 07:13
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In fairness, I watched a different LP of this before playing it myself, so I have no idea what my actual choice would have been, or my rationale for it. (In my actual playthrough, I think I just picked the opposite of the LPer.) I just picked 'return the sun' here for my own obscure reasons and tried to very quickly write an IC-ish justification. :U
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Jan 26, 2020 08:36
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That's very close. Return the sun.
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Jan 26, 2020 12:03
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RETURN HOME
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Jan 26, 2020 12:29
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Return Home. We don't know what's going to happen to Niko if they return it. The sun doesn't seem to work without them nearby.
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Jan 26, 2020 13:41
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By the absolute slimmest of margins, 16 voted to return the sun & 15 voted to return home. We will be telling Niko to return the sun. To answer our thread title - it took 16 goons to screw in a light bulb.
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Jan 27, 2020 03:54
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I wanted to see new content but not like this 
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Update 17: ...To save the World https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CzSvOUKmvU4 And that's the end! The LP is not over, as there are some post game stuff to wrap up and then the Solstice run. But January was such an absolute rear end in a top hat to me that I've not had a single moment to work on the LP since the holidays. So we're going on a short break. Hopefully it won't be too long. Thank you to all who voted! Final Tally: RETURN HOME: 15 HardDiskD ,Arcanuse ,Ultrafilter ,Vauron ,Slaan ,Qvlvaran ,BisbyWorl ,SweaterGear ,Regallion ,Trick Question ,Jade Rider ,fluffyDeathbringer ,Jadecore, azsedcf, Tenebrais RETURN THE SUN: 17 SSNeoman, TooMuchAbstraction, Mzbundifund, neopie, theblackw0lf, GeminiSun, Lynneth, ArchWizard, Black Robe, Night10194, idhrendur, Amidiri, Mraagvpeine, TheCog, Eopia, inflatablefish, Materant really queer Christmas fucked around with this message at 20:15 on Mar 14, 2020 |
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Jan 28, 2020 14:09
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Huh. You missed my vote. Not that it would have mattered, since I voted to return the sun.
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Jan 28, 2020 14:40
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really queer Christmas posted:SweatyGear really queer Christmas posted:SweatyGear Quick correction, it's SweaterGear. Like a nuclear equipped walking cardigan. Thank you for showing off this game! It was heartwarming and sad the whole way through.
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You know, normally when a game has the choice of sacrificing the protagonist to save the world, it's a pretty clear-cut choice. Of course sacrificing yourself is the right thing to do. But this is where Oneshot really shines, because the protagonist isn't you, it's an innocent child that you've spent the whole game building a relationship with. Now it becomes a trolley problem - do you sacrifice one innocent to save many, even when the one is your friend and your responsibility? When the others are only going to suffer differently? I'm sorry, Niko, but I could never ask you to return the sun. You should have gone home.
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