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Crazyweasel
Oct 29, 2006
lazy

I’m not sure how it is in other Western countries but I think a lot of people downplay just how much “Independence” means to your lower middle class and above block of Americans. I’m in bed right now so I don’t think I really have the time or energy to cohesively long post, but a key part of that independence is the belief that you can make yourself something and then do what you want with what you reap (charity, hoard it, leave it to your kids, etc.). It’s aspirational while also making you feel like you are in control of your life (so much so that it masks the way that the media and such can turn you into a sheep.)

I think a lot of people are being pressed into lovely situations (student loan debt, medical debt) that they are attracted to poo poo like loan forgiveness and m4a, but I don’t think America as a whole is ready for truly sustained progressive politics, at least how they are messaged now (“eat the rich”). At some point the pendulum will swing and it could very well be a failed experiment where the Rs just ratfuck progressive policies while convincing the public centrism is the answer or whatever the gently caress, thus setting us back into third way Dems.

I think in 2020 a charismatic leader with hardline socialist policies like Bernie could win irrespective of the media and all that poo poo, just based on where many people are at, but it really could be a bubble - but maybe it is a good shock to the system.

Also we probably need to get voter turnout up and destroy local suppression tactics

E: disclaimer, my personal preferences would be a lot more aggressive than the above, but after taking to a lot of conservative/center people and just thinking about what is happening elsewhere, that’s my objective analysis

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