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I think following the last UK general election, seeing a socialist party rise to power in Spain, and the 2018 midterms has led to a lot of leftists falling into the same sort of smug feeling of inevitability that cost liberals so much between 2012 and now. Hopefully they don't fall into the same spiral of despair and disillusion from reality that lead to a retreat into fiction and culture war stuff -only instead of hooting about prestige tv I guess we'll post guillotine memes on social media and fantasize about revolutions and beating up fascists. We've still got quite a fight ahead of us, and there's been progress but nothing is certain, and it's just as silly to take the "well actually, we lost because the general population is too racist and stupid," stance. Hell was Labour's defeat even really that crushing? I mean how much further behind where they were in 2017 are they gonna wind up? That's with active sabotage by new labour, defectors, and blinking and letting this become a BREXIT election instead of sticking to their guns that this was about austerity and wealth distribution. Just the fact that nearly every candidate has had to at least pay lipservice to M4A in the dem primary if they wanted to get into double digits is a sign we're making political gains or that despite an all out media blackout Sanders is still in 2nd or 3rd place in pretty much every state that matters right now is a big deal.
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Y'all need to stop confusing pessimism with realism. How the gently caress can you even pretend to be leftist with such a lovely view of humanity? We have survived worse catastrophes with fewer tools. Our population dropped to 30k or less and we came back. Yes, things are bad and I understand you and people you know are well and truly hurting, but giving up doesn't solve anything. Don't horseshoe yourself into being blackpilled. You can make the world better even if only a small amount for those you interact with by being sincere and good. Do that, and try to get them on board with being human to others.
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Dec 13, 2019 16:37
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Horizon Burning posted:Goons might not believe it, but the path forward begins with getting rid of LARPers like this. it's really weird, but for some reason whenever I've been at organizing meetings for protests or counter demonstrations the dorks from "the new northwestern john brown gun club of [local region]" or whatever their most recent splinter is calling themselves wanna talk about OpSec and being willing to 'defend themselves with violence if they have to," don't really bring anything else to the table, and rarely show up in a helpful way to the actual event, oh but they'll help make the parody website or FB group to make fun of the nazis
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Dec 14, 2019 03:43
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Horizon Burning posted:Do you have a single fact to back that up? Like, how many failed elections is it going to take? They're so bothered they've won big victories in the US, UK, and Australia - with the latter they themselves thought was 'unwinnable!' I don't know, I really do think there's a large chunk of elites who really are offended when they're not worshiped for their success. Look at the meltdowns Musk has if he's not glowingly worshiped as "tony stark irl" and there are others like Buffet who realizes they can't steal everything because they realize if folks get restless or there's shutdowns the billionaires' scores go down. You do always have the reptiles like the Kochs, or Thiel that really just want to exist quietly in the background, but others are like the right-wingers who aren't happy controlling all the levers of power, they need to be loved too.
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Dec 14, 2019 05:58
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hambeet posted:Maybe in the US, but here in Australia the media is actively hostile to progressive politics, parties and candidates so they do not get equal nor accurate air time to broadcast their message. The message is either twisted or sometimes omitted completely and the oppositions rebuttal or talking points gets double the air time in response. if you lack the skills and resources to organize and put together a campaign for a local school board or council candidate, pool resources for a strike relief fund or mutual aid program, or otherwise bring people together to form a coalition that will work together on the political level I'm almost certain you'd fail even harder to organize an armed insurrection. The folks advocating for political change are not the naive ones who don't understand how stacked the deck is. The people who think shitposts are praxis and better things aren't possible frankly suffer from a lack of imagination and will.
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