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I appreciate Zardoz on its own merits. Cats 2019 is a film I can only appreciate for actually getting me to check out the 98 stage film and realize that hey, I like Cats
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Cats got its original lolwatches on being a visual disaster, but I think it being an audio disaster as well (that most of the audience was too drunk to notice the first time) probably makes it a one-and-done. It's basically a Dragon Ball: Evolution of musicals.
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Mar 2, 2021 11:09
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Zardoz has its flaws but there’s vision behind it. Cats is the product of people who had no idea of what the Hell they wanted to do.
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People always talk like zardoz is weirder than it really is. It's got a pretty straightforward plot that would fit in an extended star trek episode, it just happens to costume everyone really silly and have a lot of weird props. So people try and juice it up as being SO STRANGE.
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Mar 2, 2021 18:46
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It's too bad cause I think a few of the actors had star potential, or are at least people I'd like to see more of. Munkustrap looks a lot like Hugh Jackman, could be a potential new Wolverine for Marvel, and Rumpleteaser's actress has a very interesting face, it was fun to animate her expressions.
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Mar 2, 2021 19:11
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:People always talk like zardoz is weirder than it really is. It's got a pretty straightforward plot that would fit in an extended star trek episode, it just happens to costume everyone really silly and have a lot of weird props. So people try and juice it up as being SO STRANGE. Zardoz is basically an adaptation of a postapocalyptic sci-fi novel that doesn't exist. It's got a lot of the hallmarks of the pulpier kind of adventure novel of the day- the barbarian vs civilization dynamic, weird sexuality, and an actual intellectual conceit and world building that's not half bad. It's like the books satirized in Gentleman Broncos.
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Maxwell Lord posted:Zardoz has its flaws but there’s vision behind it. Cats is the product of people who had no idea of what the Hell they wanted to do. Tom Hooper wanted live singing on set and no mocap suits and by god he got both!
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Maxwell Lord posted:Zardoz is basically an adaptation of a postapocalyptic sci-fi novel that doesn't exist. It's got a lot of the hallmarks of the pulpier kind of adventure novel of the day- the barbarian vs civilization dynamic, weird sexuality, and an actual intellectual conceit and world building that's not half bad. It's like the books satirized in Gentleman Broncos. Not the most uncommon thing with sci-fi, where movies can be based on more of a zeitgeist than a particular work, or an amalgamation of a few scripts and ideas. Hell, look at Star Wars.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Not the most uncommon thing with sci-fi, where movies can be based on more of a zeitgeist than a particular work, or an amalgamation of a few scripts and ideas. Hell, look at Star Wars. Honestly I think that is why zardoz sticks out so much. It's really a broad scifi movie that has a small number of weirdly specific choices. Like the whole thing is basically an episode of TOS, but like, they also have a weird head, it says penis, the guy wears a funny costume and then they turn into skeletons in the end. If you edited and shot it a little bit different it'd be a very standard sci-fi story.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Cats got its original lolwatches on being a visual disaster, but I think it being an audio disaster as well (that most of the audience was too drunk to notice the first time) probably makes it a one-and-done. It's basically a Dragon Ball: Evolution of musicals. not too related but has there ever been a post mortem of dragonball evolution and why any of the decisions made for it were done? It’s just so fascinatingly awful on all levels, I wish I understood just how it got there.
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Xibanya posted:not too related but has there ever been a post mortem of dragonball evolution and why any of the decisions made for it were done? It’s just so fascinatingly awful on all levels, I wish I understood just how it got there. “ In 2016, writer Ben Ramsey apologized for the film, writing: "To have something with my name on it as the writer be so globally reviled is gut-wrenching. To receive hate mail from all over the world is heartbreaking. [...] I went into the project chasing after a big payday, not as a fan of the franchise but as a businessman taking on an assignment. I have learned that when you go into a creative endeavor without passion you come out with sub-optimal results, and sometimes flat out garbage. So I'm not blaming anyone for Dragonball [Evolution] but myself."”
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I feel like anime movies are where comic movies were in the 90s, where by default they were unfaithful and generally bad. Then there was a few that were sort of okay if you have them some benefit of the doubt then over time they got good then the dominant form of movies. Like I predict someday in like ten years anime movies will be the thing and people will look back at stuff like ghost in the shell as something like blade.
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Ghost in the Shell is Steel, at best. Anime is still waiting for its Blade
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Definitely more like video game movies, complete with being unfaithful and bad because Hollywood execs are apparently incapable of comprehending the source material as media at all, let alone having any respect for it. There was a What Happened? video about Dragon Ball Evolution, which seems a story remarkably similar to the Super Mario Bros movie, complete with a tug-of-war over the script for how faithful it was going to be. a rapidly draining budget and a director who seemed to have their own unrelated idea in mind they wanted to twist the film into no matter the cost.
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The Super Mario Brothers movie was good though Also we already have a really really good anime adaptation to film, it's Speed Racer. More adaptations should aspire to be even a third as great as Speed Racer was.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I feel like anime movies are where comic movies were in the 90s, where by default they were unfaithful and generally bad. Then there was a few that were sort of okay if you have them some benefit of the doubt then over time they got good then the dominant form of movies. As opposed to the many excellent comic book movies of today?
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:and people will look back at stuff like ghost in the shell as something like blade. Cool and good?
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There's plenty of good live action adaptations of anime, they're just all Asian.
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Blade is better than most modern comic book movies
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AdmiralViscen posted:Blade is better than most modern comic book movies
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Twitch posted:There's plenty of good live action adaptations of anime, they're just all Asian. 
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steinrokkan posted:As opposed to the many excellent comic book movies of today? sure, comic book movies are now well liked and successful and come out appealing to multiple audiences. You specifically could be too good for them, but it's not like it was a few decades ago where they were unpopular niche movies with very few well liked breakouts (that were mostly batman or superman)
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Blade 2 is the rare sequel better in every way than the original. Blade 3 is the complete opposite.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:sure, comic book movies are now well liked and successful and come out appealing to multiple audiences. You specifically could be too good for them, but it's not like it was a few decades ago where they were unpopular niche movies with very few well liked breakouts (that were mostly batman or superman) Oh, blade definitely made less money than modern comic book movies, yea
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Twitch posted:There's plenty of good live action adaptations of anime, they're just all Asian. The recent Anjinn movie was pretty drat good.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:sure, comic book movies are now well liked and successful and come out appealing to multiple audiences. You specifically could be too good for them, but it's not like it was a few decades ago where they were unpopular niche movies with very few well liked breakouts (that were mostly batman or superman) lol
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It's more that you had to have a huge name and actively fight the studio for a comic book movie to make it to the big screen in any remotely faithful and good fashion. And in many respects you still do.
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FirstAidKite posted:Also we already have a really really good anime adaptation to film, it's Speed Racer. More adaptations should aspire to be even a third as great as Speed Racer was. What the gently caress
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Fuschia tude posted:What the gently caress Speed Racer is loving amazing, and pretty much the best adaptation of the source material you could hope for.
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Fuschia tude posted:What the gently caress Have you never seen it? I highly recommend it. Especially the blu-ray version. Just never play the "drink every time there's a screenwipe" game or you will die.
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Speed Racer is fantastic and one of the biggest crimes the Wachowski sisters ever committed was filming it in digital 1080p so we will never see it in HDR.
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Pirate Jet posted:...filming it in digital 1080p so we will never see it in HDR. Ooof. That’s a rookie move and you hate to see it.
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MrYenko posted:Ooof. That’s a rookie move and you hate to see it. I think it was that they were shooting all in digital with 'quick' turnaround for effects shots, but it was 2006 when they were filming so shooting on digital with quick turn around meant filming in "HD" directly so they could put it right into the editing software without scanning film. Instead of it being like now where you film and edit in ultra high resolution or composite in camera live. Like they never could have made the movie like they did if they didn't film the way they did.
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AdmiralViscen posted:Blade is better than most
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FirstAidKite posted:Have you never seen it? unfortunately I have
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I will not tolerate Speed Racer (2008) slander on these forums
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Speed Racer is a goddamn masterpiece.
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speed racer is good anime adaptation in that it's bad just like anime is bad
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Necrothatcher posted:Speed Racer is a goddamn masterpiece. As is Zardoz
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Simone Magus posted:As is Zardoz I know I started the original Zardoz derail, but it's a regressive, silly mess that is overlong and boring for long stretches and the only thing it has going for it is its sheer insane ambition and ineptitude and datedness which are wonderful but really can't save the whole. Speed Racer is a goddamn masterpiece. I saw it at the Cinesphere in Toronto and it was a joy from start to finish.
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