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Stunt Rock posted:Honestly the Timeless Child twist isn't all that different from what Moffatt gave us with Matt Smith, where The Doctor was the most important and precious person in the entire universe and we were constantly being reminded of that at all times. That's funny because I was always under the impression that Moff was telling us that Amy Pond/Clara Oswald was the most important and precious person in the entire universe, which is probably what ended up making me and others absolutely loathe their characters after a while.
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They were important because of an accident of birth or a special destiny, whereas the Doctor was special because of all the stuff he's done. Different kinds of insufferable.
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Moffat is so obsessed with people being super special and important that I kind of get the impression that his parents never told him that they loved him.
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Rhyno posted:Moffat is so obsessed with people being super special and important that I kind of get the impression that his parents never told him that they loved him. To say nothing of his obvious issues with women.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:To say nothing of his obvious issues with women. I always got the idea that Moffat has a whole bunch of ingrained misogyny, but doesn't want to be sexist himself. When he's written a woman that he clearly wants to be a specific kind of strong female character he's fine, but when he's just writing a woman on autopilot a bunch of low-grade misogyny leaks in. It's why Bill was a really good character across the board. Her being a black lesbian meant that Moffat was never able to lapse into those habits.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:That's funny because I was always under the impression that Moff was telling us that Amy Pond/Clara Oswald was the most important and precious person in the entire universe, which is probably what ended up making me and others absolutely loathe their characters after a while. They were important in that they were friends with the main character of the show, I guess
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Just finished watching the last two episodes and I'm a little disappointed. I was quite interested in the idea that a lot of what the Dr. thought about the time lords was a lie but it feels like they flubbed the landing. I know they could easily do away with it all by saying something like it wasn't the real Gallifrey or Matrix and the Master set it all up to mess with the Dr. because that's what the Master does but I'm still very "eh" over it all. Still maybe next time will be different.Sydney Bottocks posted:it became pretty clear that RTD was increasingly more worried about delivering "moments" instead of stories with a cohesive narrative. I've been trying to think why I liked pre-2005 Dr Who more than 2005- Dr Who and I think that's the reason, the story had more space to breath it wasn't contained within 40 mins. I know we'll never go back to stories being told over 4 to 6 25 minute episodes and that's a shame.
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bessantj posted:I've been trying to think why I liked pre-2005 Dr Who more than 2005- Dr Who and I think that's the reason, the story had more space to breath it wasn't contained within 40 mins. I know we'll never go back to stories being told over 4 to 6 25 minute episodes and that's a shame. Oh, that's very much a part of it for me, too. Yes, there absolutely is a lot of padding in several of the classic series' stories, but I'm fine with that. It's almost comforting in a way.
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Sydney Bottocks posted:To say nothing of his obvious issues with women. Can you imagine a female Doctor written by Moffat? I'm trying not to.
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marktheando posted:Can you imagine a female Doctor written by Moffat? I'm trying not to. Didn't Moff create River?
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And Missy, and Clara. And Bill!
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And you know what, Amy had her weaker moments and moments where she was written as an agency-free sexy lamp, but she also ruled at times.
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I was implying that River was just a lady Doctor. And so was Clara by the end.
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Rhyno posted:Didn't Moff create River? Exactly my point.
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Matinee posted:I wish Jack had gone back in time to warn me not to watch that episode. Jack going back in time to tell me not to watch the episode and instead taking me out to dinner would've been nice, yes.
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Vinylshadow posted:Jack going back in time to tell me not to watch the episode and instead taking me out to dinner would've been nice, yes. Oh yes, that would have been far preferable. I’m all coy and pretending this is a chore I’m putting up with, yet enjoying every moment.
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An Ounce of Gold posted:Usually I don't like mashups, but I enjoyed this more than the finale. I’ve had root canals I enjoyed more than that.
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I give it a "I've heard worse."/10 https://twitter.com/bigfinish/status/1235550142733967360
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Harlock posted:Are we all generally of the opinion that Jodie will leave after next series or keep going? If she does, it will certainly be an interesting 3 years. I want her to keep going but I don't think there have been any statements.
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bessantj posted:Just finished watching the last two episodes and I'm a little disappointed. I was quite interested in the idea that a lot of what the Dr. thought about the time lords was a lie but it feels like they flubbed the landing. I know they could easily do away with it all by saying something like it wasn't the real Gallifrey or Matrix and the Master set it all up to mess with the Dr. because that's what the Master does but I'm still very "eh" over it all. Still maybe next time will be different. Gallifrey and the Time Lords are getting ti the point where they're like Kryptonians in comic books. Next thing you know there's gonna be a secret picket of Time Lords in time universe who also ran away and just wanted to be left alone or something. Or maybe a pocket of them left as a contingency with their memories blocked in case they were wiped out and needed to be reactivated to revive Gallifrey. Or hell, maybe the Daleks decided to keep a small colony to use for experimentation are figuring out anti- Time Lord counter measures.
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CommonShore posted:I want her to keep going but I don't think there have been any statements.
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Lunatic Sledge posted:I would like jodie to outlast chibnall tbh I just want Jodie to have at least one objectively good season because the inevitable “we told you, JodieDoc’s run was bad BeCaUsE sHe’S a WoMaN!” narrative is going to be so loving tiring. I mean it’s already present of course, but the writing hasn’t done any favors to quiet it. It’s been extremely disheartening these last few years to watch my sister get really excited at having female characters take prominent positions in big genre franchises, only to eventually become disillusioned because the fandom turns hateful and toxic in response.
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Harlock posted:Are we all generally of the opinion that Jodie will leave after next series or keep going? If she does, it will certainly be an interesting 3 years. I'd like her to stick around, but I'm resigned to the idea that 3 seasons seems to be the max we can expect now. That said, Tennant technically lasted longer since he did the Year of Specials, so if Jodie does 4 more of those holiday specials and we keep to the current schedule then she'll be around another 5 years! 
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Hey, Doctor Who thread it's been... what, about a year? Super excited to get back into discussing episodes as the air in real time, looking forwa- How's that? The season's over? Are you sure, it's like, March? Oh. I see. Well, nevermind, see you all in 2022!
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I just want Jodie to have at least one objectively good season because the inevitable “we told you, JodieDoc’s run was bad BeCaUsE sHe’S a WoMaN!” narrative is going to be so loving tiring. I mean it’s already present of course, but the writing hasn’t done any favors to quiet it. Don't read too much into it. The dislike of bad writing is pretty much universal. They've wasted perfectly good male lead actors in the past, of course they'll waste perfectly good female leads too. Basically Chris Chibnall is Uwe Boll with a taxpayer slush fund. Blame starts at the top.
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Bicyclops posted:Hey, Doctor Who thread it's been... what, about a year? Super excited to get back into discussing episodes as the air in real time, looking forwa- Ahahaha you think it's going to be that soon
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Xelkelvos posted:Gallifrey and the Time Lords are getting ti the point where they're like Kryptonians in comic books. I suppose, much like comics, after 50 odd years of stories the Time Lords are going to have changed greatly and in ways that don't make a lot of sense. I don't mind some of it, I really liked the idea of the Celestial Intervention Agency because it's such a Time Lord thing to suggest they have to police all of time. But some of it makes me think "what the hell is that!?"
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bessantj posted:I suppose, much like comics, after 50 odd years of stories the Time Lords are going to have changed greatly and in ways that don't make a lot of sense. I don't mind some of it, I really liked the idea of the Celestial Intervention Agency because it's such a Time Lord thing to suggest they have to police all of time. But some of it makes me think "what the hell is that!?" (this is partly for the benefit of people who don't know what the CIA in Doctor Who is - also I wrote this badly) In the extended universe the CIA went up their own rear end during an earlier (by linear time) time war with the "enemy". They basically understood the consequences of two hostile historical processes in the one universe and panicked, removed themselves from time itself and went rogue from Gallifrey to set themselves up like gods slightly outside the universe who needed worship to basically continue existence. Theoretically this would make them immune to the time war fallout and ensure their survival. What happened? As you can imagine they weren't the nicest of people. The doctor used a small fleet of self aware war-TARDIS (after convincing the "bull" of the TARDIS herd to help him) to sever the CIA's reality bubble from the rest of the universe. They were then immediately devoured by something akin to a Fendahl. Source: The Taking Of Planet 5 (if I remember the name right) So in essence, yes I agree with you. The concept of the CIA is fantastic because you can make them into whatever your narrative needs and the time war situation makes consistency more of a concept than an obtainable target. In the OG time war (not that basic bitch dalek one) covered by the 8th Doctor's novels there was so much similar great material to draw from. What was the "enemy"? That's a hard one. A hostile historical process where even naming the enemy was akin to acknowledging it's right to exist and therefore something that strengthened them and thus to be avoided at all costs. It was very meta. Doctor Who nerds you'll get this - the "enemy" had their own web of time which is why they were such a problem for the Time Lords to fight. DancingShade fucked around with this message at 11:07 on Mar 6, 2020 |
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DancingShade posted:The doctor used a small fleet of self aware war-TARDIS (after convincing the "bull" of the TARDIS herd to help him) to sever the CIA's reality bubble from the rest of the universe. They were then immediately devoured by something akin to a Fendahl. It's damning with faint praise but reading this makes me think the Timeless Child stuff wasn't quite as bad as it could have been 
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DancingShade posted:Source: The Taking Of Planet 5 (if I remember the name right) You read the sequel? It's on my to do list but I haven't gotten around to it yet. Or possibly ever.
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DancingShade posted:(this is partly for the benefit of people who don't know what the CIA in Doctor Who is - also I wrote this badly) Wow, that all sounds like absolute garbage.
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Rhyno posted:The Who expanded universe is often times even worse than the worst episode of the show. It's something better experienced through other people telling you about it second-hand, most of the time. It at least tapers down the insanity and keeps it brief.
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