Jerusalem posted:

Wait... Part 1?

Gaz-L posted:

Nah, you might be recalling that Sacha Dhawan (the new Master) played Waris Hussain in An Adventure In Time & Space.

Jerusalem posted:

The Doctor will never know that she actually did get through to the Gomez-Master, and somehow I'm sure that fact just makes the current Master absolutely giddy with delight

The_Doctor posted:

I remember Sacha Dhawan in post-apocalyptic series The Last Train, which also had Nicola Walker/Liv Chenka.

It occurs to me that in both this story and the last, they mention UNIT being defunct. By dint of calling attention to this, it means these would otherwise have been UNIT stories.

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Moffat’s problem was that he kept going back to the exact same wells time and time again and each revisit was shittier than the last.

Buml0r posted:

So, I've really really enjoyed these last two episodes, after finding myself pretty bored for a lot of the last series. It feels like the Doctor Who I like watching is back. I'm very happy about that.

But, also, I'm feeling really weird about that bit where The Doctor, off of Doctor Who, dobbed-in a POC to 1940s nazis and then flew away, and the next time we saw that POC, he described having had to escape from... what sounded to me like concentration camps.

Is that not the single biggest "but that character, and this series, would never do that" moment in the whole show so far? Shouldn't someone, be it Chibnall or whoever directed it, or the producers, someone, have said no, we're not doing that?

It feels pretty cleanly like something they shouldn't have done, but I'm seeing very little mention of it here or on twitter, so I'm starting to doubt myself, like I just didn't understand what happened. Maybe I'm just so used to every little thing being savaged on social media, and it's actually not a bad thing for a popular scifi property to put a foot wrong without a massive backlash... but I'm not sure this time. When I have found discussions of it (which I've had to search for), I've seen people say "the way I interpreted it, the Doctor just removed the layer of trickery that was making nazis think he was their boss," and then other people go "I mean, maybe, but it seemed to me like she removed the filter that made them see him as aryan," and the discussion stops there. But like, that comment he made when he turned up near the end. "The 20th century has been hard to live through. The places I've had to escape from." She got him sent to the camps, right? Didn't she?

It's really making me feel weird about this episode. Not in a "I'm cross with them" way (until I'm sure), more in a "hang on, SURELY not" way. Like if one of the main characters had randomly had their genitals fully visible for a whole scene or something, and all that happened afterwards was a couple of people on twitter went "odd decision, oh well" and left it at that.

Edit - I like the idea above that the Master just immediately killed the nazis and got away, but... even if I'm interpreting his speech wrong, the Doctor did still do it and I suppose I just think that's... alarmingly out of character? Perhaps I'm just feeling weird because I told a Jewish friend of a friend who was wondering whether to get back into the series that the new year episode was really good...

Vinylshadow posted:

Aren't we supposed to be getting an episode centered around the Holocaust this series?

That's gonna be a fun minefield to navigate - or did people hear rumors of World War II and immediately said HOLOCAUST while it's just some Nazis showing up here?

Organza Quiz posted:

As a jewish person watching this the only thing that struck me as off was the way she delivered "they'll see you as you REALLY are" when she removed the perception filter. That's what you say to the villain when you make their allies see them as the conniving evil person they are, not when you make racists see them as a person who appears to not be white - I mean the Master isn't even actually an Indian man, he's a Time Lord.

(spoilered for more discussion of the holocaust than would normally happen in the space adventure thread) To my knowledge they wouldn't have sent him to a concentration camp anyway though, probably just a regular prison camp. They weren't systematically exterminating anyone other than roma and jews, even if they were persecuting/imprisoning other groups.

Rhyno posted:

I think they can very easily say that when Missy died she was indeed good. But when the Master was resurrected his many lifetimes of being an evil dick overpowered the goodness Missy was trying to embrace.

Rhyno posted:

The dark secret is that they eat their toast butter side down.

Spatula City posted:

SiKboy posted:

I very nearly forgot it was on this week!

An Ounce of Gold posted:

Well I think it's horrible.

I don't think the message the Doctor gives should overwrite what others have written about how time travel works... It was such a shoe horned message that absolutely failed to carry any weight for the audience watching. It was heavy handed without any emotional stakes attached. She was just talking at us and at the same time breaking the convention of time travel within the show.

As a joke I now want to see an entire episode and then the Doctor looks a the screen at the end and says "It was about abortion".

Dabir posted:

congratulations on managing to forget kill the moon

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Wasn’t there a 5 story where he survives the vacuum of space with basically no equipment?

juche avocado posted:

Even worse than murdering the guy in — ugh — Dinosaurs on a Spaceship (might be misremembering the episode that happens in?)

Gravastars posted:

Really absolutely she is.

SiKboy posted:

I know a little bit about tesla (I teach physics), and when my first thought in the episode is "Considering he didnt move to the US until he was in his 20s, thats a hell of an accent he doesnt have...", I am very worried I am going to be unable to stop nit-picking it.

An Ounce of Gold posted:

I have a slight nit pick. How did Tesla and companion go from their workshop to the orient express? That part was a bit wonky for me. "We're here now".

I thought they had just shortcutted TARDIS travelling but then it later shows Tesla going into the TARDIS for the first time.

Jerusalem posted:

There's a part in episode 3 where I was just sitting gaping at the screen because I literally could not believe how bad the writing was. It is astonishing.

First spoiler for end of episode 2/start of episode 3 Dracula gets trapped underwater for a century and only gets out and walks onto land in the year 2020, second spoiler for the bit mentioned above A weird medical research facility using armed mercenaries funded by a shadowy organization captures Dracula and puts him in an inescapable cage. He proceeds to figure out what wifi is and breaks the password (it's "dracula") and skypes with a lawyer who shows up and... they just let him in and he tells them to let Dracula go or he'll call the police so they.... just let him go and then gently caress off and play no further part in the entire story and Dracula just casually sets up an apartment and starts hanging out in London.

What I wrote in the above doesn't even come close to how loving stupid it is seeing it happen.

Like, they legit have the following conversation:

Lawyer: Has Count Dracula committed any crimes?
Shadowy Research Lab Lady: None we can admit to.
Lawyer: Then you gotta let him out. You gotta.

Vinylshadow posted:

The Doctor going from "Don't kill them, we need to know what they are" to "we're going to blow them all up" was a bit of a trip

The_Doctor posted:

There’s a theory on Twitter that she’s between the 2nd and 3rd Doctors on account of never actually seeing that regeneration.

Marmaduke! posted:

Could the alternative doctor that went to alternate universe with Rose regenerate? Not that I think it would be that.

Senor Tron posted:

I would be totally fine if the rest of the season just got increasingly batshit with new Doctors from all these alternate possibilities being introduced in each episode at a rapidly increasing pace.

Organza Quiz posted:

Yeah this Doctor seems actually about as nonviolent as our usual one, what with the whole "the Doctor doesn't use weapons" "I know" exchange, but she's certainly more... militaristic? Less cheerful. Reads more to me like she may have split off around 8 rather than at a much earlier regeneration.

SimplyCosmic posted:

Ruth would totally have the 3rd Doctor's approval for her martial arts takedowns.

Jeffe posted:

We're all loving the looms idea

Jeffe posted:

I get the feeling there was some major war pre-Hartnell, just a feeling since the guy was proud enough to want to keep his medal. The only one mentioned ever was against the vampires, and I can't remember if that's a book-only thing.

Jeffe posted:

Honestly I don't care about them, I just always loved the idea of the "Other" itself, especially since it was in relation to McCoy's Doctor, who was the greatest one until Smith...fight me. On the surface requires the looms, but there could certainly be other explanations to invent. All three (The Doc, Omega, and R-Dawg) could not remember who they were before, anything really.

I should really stop polluting my mind with ideas from the two book ranges though, something new could always be better, and I think in the end they tried to say the Time Lords (or at least the Doctors) were really sentient crystals modeled after the Doctor and stuff, so whatever, that all got pretty nutty, and I doubt Chibnall would be aware of all that. Or, we could debate where Ruth fits in with the events of The Infinity Doctors

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Now that I’ve finally seen the episode, I’m going to bet on the theory that Ruth is a Doc between 2 and 3. The way she’s hiding on Earth, how she describes the job she has but didn’t sign up for, how the Time Lords have put a bounty out for her capture. Maybe the 2nd Doc was on a mission as an agent for the Time Lords, he’s killed, then the newly regenerated RuthDoc decides to use this opportunity to try and hide from them. Then, after whatever is going to happen this season happens, the Time Lords wipe the Doctor’s memory and dump 3 and his TARDIS in a field.

CommonShore posted:

YES

THE DOCTOR ARGUES WITH A MONKEY FOR 17 MINUTES AND THEN IT TURNED OUT THE MONKEY WAS ACTUALLY DEAD

CommonShore posted:

No I didn't