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Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

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At least somebody talked them out of the space in isn' t

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Plastic_Gargoyle
Aug 3, 2007

Endorph posted:

this is probably another one of those 'jp exec who doesn't know english insists on translating the title' things

This is my default assumption for any stupid title.

How this happens in Gundam when they literally have Mark Simmons right loving there is another question.

Granted I don't play JRPGs (or any MMO) these days so I couldn't tell you what VIT is supposed to mean, either, so that's a solid gently caress no from me.

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:

This is my default assumption for any stupid title.

How this happens in Gundam when they literally have Mark Simmons right loving there is another question.

Granted I don't play JRPGs (or any MMO) these days so I couldn't tell you what VIT is supposed to mean, either, so that's a solid gently caress no from me.

This sent me down a little Google journey and from what I can tell, VIT (vitality) was used quite a lot in the golden age of DQ and FF games in lieu of defense or resilience or whatever, so maybe it's someone trying to make a winking nod at old timey video game people, maybe just taking the terminology directly from old games

I just know that when I see "vitality" my mind goes to maximum HP and not damage resistance, but then again, I did play a lot of Dark Souls 1

Tales of Woe
Dec 18, 2004

all the other sites are calling that one "BOFURI: I Don't Want To Get Hurt, So I'll Max Out My Defense" so i think crunchy just didn't get the memo

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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Tales of Woe posted:

all the other sites are calling that one "BOFURI: I Don't Want To Get Hurt, So I'll Max Out My Defense" so i think crunchy just didn't get the memo

It's on the official JP website

https://bofuri.jp/

I'd bet five bucks that this was a Japan mandated title

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

bofuri dese nuts

Everything Burrito
Jun 2, 2011

I Failed At Anime 2022

dogsicle posted:

bofuri dese nuts

Erg
Oct 31, 2010

dogsicle posted:

bofuri dese nuts

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

dogsicle posted:

bofuri dese nuts
Gottem

Triggerhappypilot
Nov 8, 2009

SVMS-01 UNION FLAG GREATEST MOBILE SUIT

ENACT = CHEAP EUROTRASH COPY




dogsicle posted:

bofuri dese nuts

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

OnimaruXLR posted:

This sent me down a little Google journey and from what I can tell, VIT (vitality) was used quite a lot in the golden age of DQ and FF games in lieu of defense or resilience or whatever, so maybe it's someone trying to make a winking nod at old timey video game people, maybe just taking the terminology directly from old games
I think it kind of makes sense if you assume you save time and code by saying More Defense = More Life Points or whatevs.

Droyer
Oct 9, 2012

Plastic_Gargoyle posted:

How this happens in Gundam when they literally have Mark Simmons right loving there is another question.

Which Gundam titles are you thinking about specifically? Most Gundam shows are just called "Mobile Suit [Proper Noun]" so idk what's supposed to be mistranslated.

Plastic_Gargoyle
Aug 3, 2007

Droyer posted:

Which Gundam titles are you thinking about specifically? Most Gundam shows are just called "Mobile Suit [Proper Noun]" so idk what's supposed to be mistranslated.

Its actually not the titles, just stuff within the shows. The names of the innovades in 00 being semi-Engrish is one example.

Granted that's at the show writing level. But it'd still be better if they'd run this stuff by an English speaker even there. Or we end up with characters like Pangu Hakiiri. Which isn't a name in any language.

E: The 00 movie. I just call it Awakening of the Trailblazer, because "A wakening" makes me twitch inside.

Plastic_Gargoyle fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Dec 28, 2019

Nate RFB
Jan 17, 2005

Clapping Larry

Endorph posted:

im excited for railgun
Yeah!! I like this arc a lot.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

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Plastic_Gargoyle posted:

Its actually not the titles, just stuff within the shows. The names of the innovades in 00 being semi-Engrish is one example.

The Innovators' names being slightly off makes sense though. Like, they were created to Bring Stability. But they grew bitter and power-hungry, and chose instead to Bring Stabity.

Malsangoroth
Apr 2, 2015

Please let Magia Record be good.
Please let Magia Record be good.
Please let Magia Record be good.*

What else will I watch? Um, I guess Pet, although I'll echo concerns about its production status -- this could be going into trainwreck territory. Eizoken looks charming and Yuasa is a super-skilled director (even I don't typically like his animation flair), so I'll pick that up. Kutei Dragons looks interesting and I desperately crave any fantasy that isn't yet another isekai. Jeweler Richard I might give a shot. Dorohedoro intrigues me but I'm not sure I'll be able to get past the liberal use of 3DCG the production seems bent on using. Somali and Plunderer will each be given a chance, my expectations are low but hey! I might be wrong.

*Yea, I think we all know what the odds of this are.

Draxion
Jun 9, 2013




Drifting Dragons is also 3DCG and rather bad looking CG at that, unfortunately. The manga is beautiful though.

OnimaruXLR
Sep 15, 2007
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Malsangoroth posted:

Please let Magia Record be good.
Please let Magia Record be good.
Please let Magia Record be good.*

What else will I watch? Um, I guess Pet, although I'll echo concerns about its production status -- this could be going into trainwreck territory. Eizoken looks charming and Yuasa is a super-skilled director (even I don't typically like his animation flair), so I'll pick that up. Kutei Dragons looks interesting and I desperately crave any fantasy that isn't yet another isekai. Jeweler Richard I might give a shot. Dorohedoro intrigues me but I'm not sure I'll be able to get past the liberal use of 3DCG the production seems bent on using. Somali and Plunderer will each be given a chance, my expectations are low but hey! I might be wrong.

*Yea, I think we all know what the odds of this are.

I mean, what kind of good do you want? If you want something on the level of the original TV series, that seems kind of unlikely. But if just you want more Madoka-flavored adventures, like the kind that has been covered in the spinoff manga and such, it'll probably be that

Malsangoroth
Apr 2, 2015

Well, the kind of lightning-in-a-bottle hit that Madoka was will be near-impossible to reproduce, though a man can dream. But I'd settle for a cohesive magical girl series that casts a raised eyebrow towards the more-sugary genre conventions, without degenerating into misery porn like most of the other "dark magical girl" series of the '10s.

Sharkopath
May 27, 2009

I cast level 3 Raised Eyebrow, also known as EYE3.

Huzzah!
Sep 15, 2007

Malnutrition is scarier than any beastie.

Sharkopath posted:

I cast level 3 Raised Eyebrow, also known as EYE3.

dogsicle
Oct 23, 2012

where does the eyebrow need to be cast, honestly

does precure need to be knocked down a peg or something

Elephant Parade
Jan 20, 2018

girls are enjoying media and that is not acceptable

Waffleman_
Jan 20, 2011


I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna I don't wanna!!!

It's a mobage tie-in so if you're looking for a deconstruction, I think you'll be disappointed.

Julias
Jun 24, 2012

Strum in a harmonizing quartet
I want to cause a revolution

What can I do? My savage
nature is beyond wild

Waffleman_ posted:

It's a mobage tie-in so if you're looking for a deconstruction, I think you'll be disappointed.

If you're looking for a deconstruction, the original madoka will also disappoint you.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



There are honestly very few actual anime deconstructions, usually just "what if X but mean spirited". A literary deconstruction requires consideration as to why the original story you are examining does what it does.

chiasaur11
Oct 22, 2012



Julias posted:

If you're looking for a deconstruction, the original madoka will also disappoint you.

I'd say it deconstructs a lot of things. It just has the courtesy to put them back together when it's done.

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

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I don't know what deconstruction means and I'm pretty sure no one else does either.

Elephant Parade
Jan 20, 2018

Terrible Opinions posted:

There are honestly very few actual anime deconstructions, usually just "what if X but mean spirited". A literary deconstruction requires consideration as to why the original story you are examining does what it does.
Re:Zero qualifies, IMO

chiasaur11 posted:

I'd say it deconstructs a lot of things. It just has the courtesy to put them back together when it's done.
Sincere question: what does it deconstruct

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Elephant Parade posted:

Sincere question: what does it deconstruct

The assumption that it's OK for talking weasels to talk minors into fighting their battles for them, I guess. Though that's rather low-hanging fruit, obviously (and not even really the main focus of Madoka).

And at least some magical girl series do make some attempt to address that issue. In Cardcaptor Sakura, for example, the enemies aren't that dangerous most of the time, and the mascot character is usually more immature than the heroine.

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Gripweed posted:

I don't know what deconstruction means and I'm pretty sure no one else does either.
To critically examine why a work of fiction or genre convention does something.

Silver2195 posted:

The assumption that it's OK for talking weasels to talk minors into fighting their battles for them, I guess. Though that's rather low-hanging fruit, obviously (and not even really the main focus of Madoka).

And at least some magical girl series do make some attempt to address that issue. In Cardcaptor Sakura, for example, the enemies aren't that dangerous most of the time, and the mascot character is usually more immature than the heroine.
The thing is it doesn't really ask the why question. It just says "ain't this weird". The explanation for kyubey's actions propose a sorta "The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas" situation asking the viewer if it is worth saving the universe if it means a small number of innocent must suffer. It never really threads the needle on how this relates to magical girl shows because they rarely present magical girlness as being an inevitable death in those shows. Then it circumvents its own question by letting Madoka refuse the dichotomy.

Now none of this is to say that Madoka is bad, I quite liked it, but I would say it doesn't meaningfully deconstruct any common decision in magical girl fiction. Its main points are about situations of its own creation rather than anything to do with the magical girl genre as a whole.

Terrible Opinions fucked around with this message at 03:28 on Dec 29, 2019

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Terrible Opinions posted:

To critically examine why a work of fiction or genre convention does something.
The thing is it doesn't really ask the why question. It just says "ain't this weird".

The "why" (i.e., the Doylesian reason magical girl shows in general tend to do this) seems fairly obvious. If talking weasels were responsible and dealt with their problems in ways other than recruiting child soldiers, there would be no conflict, or at least none involving teenage girls. And if we removed the talking weasels entirely, then who would deliver the exposition?

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

If you fuckers keep saying deconstruction im going to revive my lit critique gimmick and free lord justice

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Silver2195 posted:

The "why" (i.e., the Doylesian reason magical girl shows in general tend to do this) seems fairly obvious. If talking weasels were responsible and dealt with their problems in ways other than recruiting child soldiers, there would be no conflict, or at least none involving teenage girls. And if we removed the talking weasels entirely, then who would deliver the exposition?
Not why in universe, but why does the author put it into their work. For what purpose does the writer put in a talking weasel/teddy bear/etc as a dispenser of magic powers.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Madoka isnt a deconstruction its a dark twist on genre conventions

Terrible Opinions
Oct 18, 2013



Namtab posted:

Madoka isnt a deconstruction its a dark twist on genre conventions that falls entirely within established genre norms.

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Terrible Opinions posted:

Not why in universe, but why does the author put it into their work. For what purpose does the writer put in a talking weasel/teddy bear/etc as a dispenser of magic powers.

They cute (and good merchandise)

Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Terrible Opinions posted:

Not why in universe, but why does the author put it into their work.

That's what I'm saying (the why in universe would be the Watsonian reason, not the Doylesian one). The author needs someone to tell the protagonists what to do (well, he doesn't really need it, but it's easier that way, especially for a more monster-of-the-week type series without any overarching mysteries). The protagonists need to be teenage (or younger) girls because that's the target audience (for a shoujo show), or for reasons probably best not discussed here (for a seinen show). The talking weasel is unthreatening-looking enough for the audience to intuitively accept as a "good guy" in a way they might not accept a more humanoid character in the same role, and, as Namtab points out, is very merchandizable. Plus there's the tropes-for-the-sake-of-tropes thing weirdly common in anime-adjacent media: you gotta have a talking weasel because all the other magical girl shows have a talking weasel, so without the talking weasel it wouldn't be a proper magical girl show!

Namtab
Feb 22, 2010

Spec ops asuka where she takes her orders from the military

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Silver2195
Apr 4, 2012

Namtab posted:

Spec ops asuka where she takes her orders from the military

Yeah, that's basically making Madoka's subtext text. Instead of a talking weasel you have a literal adult male military officer recruiting literal child soldiers.

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