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Henchman of Santa posted:Edit: also me and both of my friends had to pee the entire time but independently decided to hold it in because a) it was enthralling and b) it felt like it added to the atmosphere. Judging by the bathroom line after I think most of the audience did the same. I had no choice but to pee and managed to time it between Judd Hirsch agreeing to bid on the stone and the end of the auction, quite possibly the only section of the film where I wouldn't have missed something
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Regarding the auction, something that I missed at first but just realized is that the reason why Howie was so desperate to get KG to bid $200k for the gem wasn't greed, it was because he paid $100k for the gem and $200k was the minimum price he would need to sell it at in order to break even on his investment. Between the net $25k loss when he sold the gem to KG for $175k and the $190k he bid for his own gem, the amount of money Howie lost from his gem scheme was likely more than the initial amount he owed in the first place (I think around $200k?). The reason why he's so willing to bet everything on the game at the end of the film is because he's so far down in the hole from his scheme that the only possible way to break even and pay back the debt at that point was to believe that the gem really was magic and would guarantee KG won the game. There's so many small details I keep thinking about in retrospect, I bet this film will be even better on a second viewing. HorseRenoir fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Dec 29, 2019 |
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I can’t believe the violent goon guy was cast off the street (I know that’s a signature of theirs). He seems like such a That Guy. Also the Fat Jew was in this movie?
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Just saw it. Stressful as gently caress and amazing. I saw it in a full theater, and you could see the stress in everyone's bodies. It reminds me of the busiest time of my life, when juggling several clients finally all came together at once. The movie needed to have no music though. Just take out all of the music. I get the constant yelling and noise form all sides, but don't add music on top of it. I do have one question about the money Howie owed to his relative: was that ever confirmed to be gambling debt? As in his relative is an actual bookie? It's the easy assumption that it's gambling debt so I never thought about it enough to determine either way, but I also don't remember if that's actually revealed. And the Judd Hirsch bidding scene.  Cool. That guy was great. The Human Crouton fucked around with this message at 04:26 on Dec 29, 2019 |
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This interview with Wayne Diamond (AKA “Handsome Older Man”) is absolutely batshit insane and I love it https://www.interviewmagazine.com/film/uncut-gems-handsome-older-man-wayne-diamond-new-legacy
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Uhg, the ending crushed me despite knowing that it wasn't going to end happy for Howard no matter what. But drat seeing him get shot made me feel sick. Like literally, my stomach dropped out and I actually felt a bit queasy. It was crushing, even though you knew he wasn't going to come out entirely on top there was a part that hoped like... maybe they're just going to mess him up and rob his shop or something. Also, the scene where he decides to bet the money he just got from KG was hilarious in the theater - people audibly groaned and yelled at the screen. This movie is more torturous than any of the Saw movies and their ilk, that's for sure. Groovelord Neato posted:I love that he's stupid and euphoric from winning the bet that he lets them in instead of buzzing them out which would be the logical move. Phil was so loving pissed he would have just waited and killed the girl too. People were gonna die no matter what, I think. The point was that Howie totally missed that he was playing with fire with that guy - Arno and Howie both couldn't see how far this guy had actually been pushed and humiliated. Arno was used to Howie's poo poo, Phil was not and he saw Arno as weak (maybe rightfully so by the end) for not utterly loving Howie's bones up long before it came to them getting locked in the vestibule.
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Did we ever actually know how much Howard owed? It took me a while to get used to the sound in the movie. I think my theater was especially loud since I thought the trailers were obnoxiously loud, but combine that with the aural overload of this movie, and I was lost for a bit.
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The first(?) time Howie gives somebody (Phil?) his watch he either says it right there gets on the phone and says "that watch is worth 20k so subtract that from the 100". I can't remember the exact circumstances but it was pretty early in the film so it sounds like he owed Arno 100k.
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I’m actually pretty sure that Arno specifically fronted the money for the Opal that set all of this in motion even.
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CaptainPsyko posted:I’m actually pretty sure that Arno specifically fronted the money for the Opal that set all of this in motion even. It’s not explicitly stated that that’s the case i don’t think, but it’s as good an inference as any other. My assumption was that he was in debt from taking loans to gamble with. Me and my buddy that i saw this with both had the same question, so i’m curious if anybody here knows the answer to this seeming inconsistency we both observed: after Howie finally ends up selling the rock to KG, he hands the bag of money off to Julia Fox’s character and tells her to put in his parley with that cash. But, he sold the rock to KG for 165k and the money Julia Fox has to put on the bet is 155k. Where did that 10k go? My first thought was maybe that was the price of the helicopter ride to the casino, but wouldn’t that have most likely been done via credit card? Maybe it’s just an inconsequential nitpick, but i’m wondering if there’s something important we missed there.
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Stato-Masochist posted:It’s not explicitly stated that that’s the case i don’t think, but it’s as good an inference as any other. My assumption was that he was in debt from taking loans to gamble with. I noticed that also and just assumed I was missing something.
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Stato-Masochist posted:It’s not explicitly stated that that’s the case i don’t think, but it’s as good an inference as any other. My assumption was that he was in debt from taking loans to gamble with. KG tells Howie that 10k is going to Demany as a finder's fee/for all the trouble
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Tim Whatley posted:KG tells Howie that 10k is going to Demany as a finder's fee/for all the trouble wasn’t that what knocked it down from Howie getting 175k in cash to getting 165k? Stato-Masochist fucked around with this message at 07:23 on Dec 29, 2019 |
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It could be continuity but I'm also now recalling I think he said 10% which would be close enough when you're betting that much 
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The Human Crouton posted:The movie needed to have no music though. Just take out all of the music. I get the constant yelling and noise form all sides, but don't add music on top of it. No way. The Akira music ruled.
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Tim Whatley posted:It could be continuity but I'm also now recalling I think he said 10% which would be close enough when you're betting that much lol yeah, i dunno. not really important to an overall excellent film, was just curious if the dissonance there was on me or the filmmakers. wouldn’t change my opinion of the movie either way
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Absolutely loved the film. Was on the edge of my seat for the last 20 minutes or so. A film that compounds the anxiety so high as it builds and builds before finally exploding.
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It was the finder's fee. I thought his name was Arnold until I read something about the movie after seeing it.
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Stato-Masochist posted:It’s not explicitly stated that that’s the case i don’t think, but it’s as good an inference as any other. My assumption was that he was in debt from taking loans to gamble with. I think Arno says he's been gambling with his money all over town, not just placing bets with Gary. Could be a combination of that and the opal costs.
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Stato-Masochist posted:It’s not explicitly stated that that’s the case i don’t think, but it’s as good an inference as any other. My assumption was that he was in debt from taking loans to gamble with. Part of my assumption is specifically how angry Arno gets about Howard gambling with “his” money right at the top of the movie. But clearly, it doesn’t actually matter.
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Half way through the movie I wasn't sure I liked it - due to the ever escalating stress, blaring audio / music (celery munching) with no lulls in the pacing. But that last 20 minutes really makes the movie. On top of that, I really enjoy the mythos of KG's 2012 season being him worshiping an opal. I went with my roommate who didn't know that the ball is referred to as 'the rock'. I've had that Gigi D'Agostino song on repeat. SPACE HOMOS fucked around with this message at 19:09 on Dec 29, 2019 |
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Just got back from this. Unfuckingbelievable
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SPACE HOMOS posted:On top of that, I really enjoy the mythos of KG's 2012 season being him worshiping an opal. The movie turns KG's basketball bromide from the postgame interview of "you just need the rock in your hands" into a good ironic joke.
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I didn't care for this, Good Time was leagues better. I just can't get emotionally invested in "rich rear end in a top hat does things loudly" stories.
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I really enjoyed this movie. The soundtrack alone is worth the price of admission. I've probably listened to the Ballad of Howie Bling 100 times today. I let out a pretty audible "ohhh nooo" when he got capped in the end. Pretty drat powerful.
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Excellent movie. Liking it more and more in retrospect. The first interaction between Howard and the collector where he tries to futz around and smooth talk only to get immediately slapped in the face really sets up where his final round of shenanigans are gonna take him.
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Henchman of Santa posted:I think on TV Tropes (lol) it said the word “gently caress” was used over 300 times. Your post made me burst out laughing thinking about those guys, they’re also perfectly cast and also it’s just funny how they never seem to actually pose a threat to Howard, but he still gives them the watch to make them buzz off, and one of the funnier moments was how he immediately made it seem like they were just hassling him trying to sell *him* the watch when Demany shows up so Demany also tells them to get the gently caress away. There’s soo many little details that even the third time watching it I was still noticing stuff. Also what THE gently caress who would ever suggest that the music needed to be taken out of the movie, it’s so god drat perfect, the New Age music goes perfectly with KG’s belief that the rock has some mystical powers that makes him play better. Here’s a great talk with Dolby about how they used Atmos for the sound and also Daniel Lopatin talks about the inspiration behind the soundtrack: https://youtu.be/ZSiCsSrnYRc . To me it was as important as anything else in the movie, and such a weird contrast to the typical score you might hear, like the Good Time soundtrack. Even when they do use stuff like that, it’s so perfectly understated, yet intense as hell, ( https://youtu.be/Km4yaD6bBJc ) and it’s pretty remarkable how good Daniel Lopatin is considering he’s only scored Good Time and like did a few tracks for The Bling Ring. Also re: the ending I think that dude was just really loving mad and had two hours to think about how much he was tired of Howard and how Arnold wasn’t going to get him to stop if everything they’d done to him at that point hadn’t changed his mind, then that was the only logical choice at that point, plus they could just take the jewelery and probably make more money than they would have working for Arnold Other favorites include the track that plays when Julia is bringing the money into the Mohegan https://youtu.be/z-Man49NhcY When Julia is walking back to the club, aptly titled ‘gently caress You Howard’ https://youtu.be/YJ2Ni6O6pBs The first and last tracks: https://youtu.be/FWwb9yiheQk https://youtu.be/4PQoZSWhBf4 imhotep fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Dec 30, 2019 |
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Sandler's prosthetic mole was the best piece of visual foreshadowing this year.
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Imhotep posted:Also re: the ending I think that dude was just really loving mad and had two hours to think about how much he was tired of Howard and how Arnold wasn’t going to get him to stop if everything they’d done to him at that point hadn’t changed his mind, then that was the only logical choice at that point, plus they could just take the jewelery and probably make more money than they would have working for Arnold Like I said earlier I'm pretty sure it's just because he's pissed. The building has security cameras as does Howard's suite. They aint getting away with the double murder or the theft. The logical move would've been to wait on his money even after Howard hosed with them. Groovelord Neato fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Dec 30, 2019 |
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Henchman of Santa posted:I think Arno says he's been gambling with his money all over town, not just placing bets with Gary. Could be a combination of that and the opal costs. I would say that Arno gave Howie money for the Opal months prior to the film's beginning. Howie got $100k, with interest rates, to buy the opal. He tells KG he worked on the deal for a long time. He had to pay upfront for the opal, and then the rest was a months long waiting game. The whole deal, in itself, was a gamble, that they'd find an opal, that they'd ship it, that it'd match the value he needed. In the meantime, Howie probably kept up his schtick of loving people over on bets. We're seeing Arno and his goons probably half a year past when Howie said they'd pay them for the initial investment, without any information about the investment until Howie tells Gooey about the opal and the auction. Groovelord Neato posted:Like I said earlier I'm pretty sure it's just because he's pissed. The building has security cameras as does Howard's suite. They aint getting away with the double murder or the theft. The logical move would've been to wait on his money even after Howard hosed with them. Yes, this. Within 5 minutes of being locked in the vestibule and showing he has the gun. Then he quiets down, calmly collected, because he's comforted in knowing that as soon as he gets out of that room, he is shooting this mutherfucking rear end in a top hat right in his face. Arno gets it because he seems to fall under Howie's spell. He's relieved. You did it! You fixed it all! We can, maybe, be a family! And then Howie is shot, which was probably never ever a part of the plan, because as much as everyone hates Howie, his sister doesn't want the father of her children dead. Awesome awesome movie. Snuck in my Top 5 of the year right at the end.
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Sister-in-law. He is married to Dinah’s sister.
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And that's part of a really interesting family dynamic. For as much of a screw-up as Howie is, Dinah's family is still more comfortable with him than with Arno.
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Imhotep posted:
On the topic of the music, he's probably better known for recording as Oneohtrix Point Never and has a deep backlog, although it is fairly dissimilar to his work for Uncut Gems. Great stuff either way though.
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Yarrington posted:On the topic of the music, he's probably better known for recording as Oneohtrix Point Never and has a deep backlog, although it is fairly dissimilar to his work for Uncut Gems. Great stuff either way though. Yup! For those who have not checked him out, he has an album called Replica which uses samples from old old tv ads. Its incredible
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Yarrington posted:On the topic of the music, he's probably better known for recording as Oneohtrix Point Never and has a deep backlog, although it is fairly dissimilar to his work for Uncut Gems. Great stuff either way though. He did an album with a collaborator under the name Ford and Lopatin back in 2011 or so though, which feels a lot like the uncut gems score.
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OPN is amazing, check out his Rifts compilation album if you want more retro synth music similar to his film scores
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I once saw him open for Nine Inch Nails and Soundgarden at an amphitheater on a sunny day. I don't think most of the audience new there was a performance happening.
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I love everything about this movie but one of my favorite little things is how Julia Foxs character genuinely cares about Howie. I was expecting them to play her as a lovely gold digger who was taking advantage of him and was gunna bail on him once he had no money, etc. But they played her love for him as honest and genuine as a relationship like that could be and it added a humanity to their batshit predicaments that I really enjoyed.
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Henchman of Santa posted:I once saw him open for Nine Inch Nails and Soundgarden at an amphitheater on a sunny day. I don't think most of the audience new there was a performance happening. Same. It was one of the more unique opening sets I've seen in that kind of setting. Regarding the movie, glad y'all loved it but I thought it was insufferable. Remember that scene where the wife said how much she could not stand Sandler's character? That's basically how I felt about the movie. I was actually glad when Sandler got capped in the head, just so that it was all over.
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