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Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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Happy New Year everyone!

My back hurts for no reason, but gently caress it.

Also thank you Rockopolis! That is really appreciated!

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Josef bugman
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goddamnedtwisto posted:

Tom Watson is on BBC Breakfast News trying to claim that he had nothing to do with the manifesto and is also not a politician, both of which are weird claims for someone willing to get up at this hour in the morning to sit on a sofa and talk about the manifesto and politics.

Trying to position yourself as an "elder statesman" only works if you've been a statesman Tom.

Alongside that, whilst it wouldn't surprise me if the USA goes to war with Iran, the subsequent fall out has the potential to be, well, really loving bad for everyone doesn't it?

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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Can you get withdrawal symptoms from chocolate?

I've stopped having chocolate from new years and I've been waking up at odd times with stomach aches that come and go, is this normal?

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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I wonder if there has ever been a worse PM (from the point of view of how much his influence reaches across history and fucks everything up) than Lord "I'm an utter poo poo" Palmerston.

I want to kick a number of historical figures clean in the throat and he is loving high on the list.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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Has anyone else been reading some new books in the new year?

I ask because I got the Iranian book of kings for Christmas and am now worried I am on a watchlist because of it, but it is really well written mythological set up!

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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Jippa posted:

Have you ever tried stuff like carl sagan?

Not very into Science books, but I can always give them a go, any suggestions?

forkboy84 posted:

I have gone back to terrible Tom Clancy books which are empty dumb page turners that should probably have everyone who buys them put on a watchlist for lunatic right-wingers.

See I have never found Tom Clancy fun to read, it might turn pages but it also puts you to sleep.

Jippa posted:

forkboy I was trying to show josef the beauty of the universe not more neo con strikes on iran.

Appreciated.

Also this week seems to be a big week for drama in this little corner of the internet. I wonder why?

Josef bugman
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Thank you, will take a look!

Josef bugman
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Awhhh, I'd love to, but unfortunately I am working during the day then.

If you are at all interested in D&D I am very much down for that!

Josef bugman
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feedmegin posted:

I used to go to a local D&D group in Abingdon until a couple of years ago but haven't really found a game since I moved first to Loughborough and then Cambridge. I am going to Sort This Out by starting my own game! Possibly D&D, possibly another system (kind of like the idea of a Dark Heresy game for instance) depending on what people are keen on. Probably playing every week or every two weeks, probably on a weekend day because people have work and stuff? But it's all a bit up in the air at the moment. So, yes, players definitely welcome once I've figured all this out.

Eee!

I have a load of books and can help out/run things if folks want!

Josef bugman
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OwlFancier posted:

UKMT RPG should surely be something like eclipse phase.

Lancer. Lancer should be the UKMT RPG.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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I think that it may not be able to sustain another election the whole AS thing. But then I am often wrong.

Hope everyone is doing okay atm, sending love even though I am not posting as much of late. See you all soon!

Josef bugman
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I think one of the big problems is that in trying to measure everything we end up creating a kind of ever spiralling hell dimension because even if the data is being collected, it isn't often being used or anything being done about it.

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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Rarity if you need some help getting a new bit of electronic kit I don't mind pitching something to help!

I don't dislike Starmer but I do find it somewhat Churlish that everyone who complained about not having a woman leader is now going around saying that he is just fine and etc.

Josef bugman
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So a load of my housemates might be moving out quite soon, if anyone needs a flat in London to rent in a few months just let me know!

Josef bugman
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OwlFancier posted:

What is capitalism if not sociopolitical D/s which has recently wrapped right back around with findom.

Don't ruin my kinks like this.

How would findom work in a truly communist state?

Josef bugman
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feedmegin posted:

Reminder

MEATY GOONS

https://www.escapebarstratford.com/

2pm tomorrow. I'll be the one looking like Hagrid, wearing white specs, in some form of nerdy t-shirt.

Have fun everyone!

Josef bugman
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Hope everyone is having fun at the London Goon meet up.

We ran out of people at work today, and I am going to be in until 22.00 tonight. Please send help!

Josef bugman
Nov 17, 2011

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What is actually happening with the Lib-dems at the moment? Are they doing anything now that remain has died a death because they were terminally short sighted?

Josef bugman
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Red Oktober posted:

I used to love Sam Smiths, but I just can’t support a man who closes a pub and makes the landlord & lady homeless and redundant because he overheard a customer telling a dirty joke.

Absolute bastard, and it’s far from the first time he’s done poo poo like that.

I hope he either fucks off or dies soon, I quite like Sam Smiths pubs. I'd also prefer to know what he looks like so I can call him a oval office to his face.

Josef bugman
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The Question IRL posted:

"The Jedi order fought the Sith for thousands of years and maintained peace. But because they lost that one time, we are better off burning their texts and having no Jedi Order. I'm sure the Sith will get bored and go home."

You mean the Jedi that upheld the Capitalistic and humanocentric Galactic Senate and gleefully enabled slave keeping at the edge of the galaxy whilst emotionally damaging a lot of their members?

The Jedi should end, just because the Sith are dreadful doesn't mean that the Jedi are that much better.

Josef bugman
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Gonzo McFee posted:

He's already hosed it. He's so poo poo at being a contrarian he's already got professional dickhead Piers Morgan humiliating him. Look forward to him trying to rehabilitate himself by filming a conversation with a black woman or some such poo poo.

He's done that thing where you go too hard too early and suddenly all the people who previously supported you don't return your calls.

Josef bugman
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It's me, I'm the leftist who gets frightened by large crowds of people chanting in unison.

Josef bugman
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So went to therapy for the first time in a while today.

You'd think it would make you feel better, instead I just full tired.

Trying to keep going to meetings and job apping.

I can understand the disengagement with the party atm, but I also think that there does need to be a focus on doing as much as you think is possible to keep Labour at least listing leftward.

Josef bugman
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OwlFancier posted:

I would probably vote for a leader that promised to shoot lightning at the other members of parliament.

Therapy can be lovely and wearying yeah, it's a lot of emotional labour. I hope you manage OK Josef.

Same here. Thank you Owl.

What do you all do to not dislike yourselves? Or to feel better after a bad day?

Josef bugman
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Today is always bad, but tomorrow can always be better.

It's one of the few things I think we all have to live up to, and one of the reasons we need to do and be more.

Hopefully we will see some good changes, and soon, but I think that part of it is that society has to advance funeral by funeral.

Josef bugman
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marktheando posted:

Does anyone itt have actual brexit celebrations going on near them?

In London so technically? But I do not think so.

Josef bugman
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marktheando posted:

it feels weird that there is so little visible celebration for the thing that so many have been obsessively pushing for these past few years. we hit the point of no return and all I have seen is a few smug tweets

Because it isn't what was wanted. It's like when you get a new game and enjoy it and then suddenly it hasn't filled the hole where your heart should be and it's the developers fault why are you doing this to me BRUSSELS.

Josef bugman
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marktheando posted:

i was going to condemn help for heroes for selling childrens clothes with "future soldier" on them, but that was actually the poppy people

Unfortunately yes.

It's sad how the second after the last WW1 era soldier passed the entirety of the charities that were set up to help just devolved fully into "Rah Rah" weirdness.

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ThomasPaine posted:

I'm thinking about China now, and oh lord please someone direct me to some good quality non-lib scholarship on the market reform period because every time I think I understand what the CPC are doing I trip over into my own stupid confusion all over again. Like, Deng, the face of the liberalisation of the economy and 'opening up', wasn't a stuffy grey bureaucrat who'd been born into communism (i.e. Gorbachev). He'd was an actual revolutionary during the civil war! He was fighting for a reason. How does someone like that end up doing what he did? I'm sure he'd argue there is a plan here (develop the necessary productive forces to create the necessary abundance for socialism), but surely China is at that point now? Xi is another confusing guy, his background doesn't scream 'crypto-capitalist' to me, he really did put the graft in reading Marxist theory as a youngster and had an almighty struggle getting to where he is with denounced parents getting him constantly rejected from CPC membership.

I think it might be a consequence of seeing something you built get used by another faction that you were close with used for some insane horseshit.

Josef bugman
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ThomasPaine posted:

Mao had the right idea but it was poorly implemented and I will die on this hill

Nothing that results in the deaths of that many people is able to be brushed off as simply "poorly implemented".

Josef bugman
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Dabir posted:

what if they're all landlords

There aren't that many landlords.

Josef bugman
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Dabir posted:

but hypothetically

Even then would prefer if forgiveness can be extended to people.

After prison etc obviously. In the same way that if/when we have to completely restructure things we can all know both our own faults and try and be better after a period of reflection.

Josef bugman
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ThomasPaine posted:

Why not? The principle was sound. Eradicating the staggering structural violence of capital via an intense campaign of bloodshed makes perfect sense. Some people have to die, we'll never bring down capitalism without being willing to meet it with ruthless force. Where Mao went wrong was in permitting (or at least failing to prevent) the explosion of that bloodshed into wanton terror and chaos. Had it been more focused on the actual ideological enemies, the cultural revolution would have been a perfectly good policy. In its broad sense I love the idea - utterly destroying the 'four olds'. Can you imagine how liberating it must have felt to be a former Chinese peasant digging up and pissing on the bones of the Emperors? It's just a shame that the bloodshed wasn't more precisely targeted.

Because it's an attempt not to move beyond something but to instead revel in crushing something that you used to be. It's not growth that helps anyone, it's not designed to actually improve anything it's a purely reactionary burning of things.

Josef bugman
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ThomasPaine posted:

I would posit, and I'm being totally serious here, that at the ideological level you must utterly crush what you used to be if you're ever to move beyond it

No. You need to live with it. Every right and every wrong you've done happened and cannot be simply swept away by declaring it so and removing all references to it.

It'd be like if there had been a full on revolution here in the 1900's and we just plain swept everything away and then declared that all of the stuff we currently have is new and isn't based on colonialism.

Josef bugman
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I disagree with both the actual (mass deaths) and theoretical (eradication of the old things) levels of it.

One of the best ways to truly destroy something is to make it so that it is irrelevant.

Josef bugman
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thespaceinvader posted:

How do you make capitalism irrelevant without destroying it though?

Because Capitalism, as much as anything else, get's shown to be poo poo by what you've built.

Maybe I'm too much of a soc dem, but I do think that destroying historic things because it makes you feel good is kind of trying to do the hard work (getting rid of the structures that allowed these things to flourish) through easy means (it's gone now, and everything is back to how it should be).

Josef bugman
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I think Newsround used to have better coverage than quite a lot I have seen over the past few years.

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Josef bugman
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Guavanaut posted:

I'm sure Marcuse wrote something about how people don't ask for what they actually want, but what they've been told they should want in order to feel accepted. Which probably applies equally to the gamer and the beer man.

Oh gods is this ever accurate.

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