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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Happy New Year UKMT, may this decade be less dreadful than the last one. It has to be, right?

Anyway, enough of that, going to go back to reading terrible fiction.

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forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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crispix posted:

It's poo poo anyway mate nothing happens.

Some bellends setting off fireworks that sound like WWI artillery shells being fired at midnight is so cool.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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escapegoat posted:

Good idea to use a funnel to aid bean insertion.

Wait, you're meant to take the beans out of the can? And there was me just putting the whole tin of beans in.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Angepain posted:

this thread has broken me, I didn't even consider the interpretation of this cartoon where the guy ate the beans until looking at it twice

I didn't even consider it until I read this post. Thought a card where a guy shoves tins of beans up his bum was a bit niche but it's the Internet.

I was out for a walk and it's 7 degrees but with a loving nasty wind coming from the north. Anyway, walking down the beach path I see a bloke in a kilt, normal length socks, shoes and nowt else. Cutting about bare chested in that wind, he made me feel cold just looking at him.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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mila kunis posted:

I hate the Guardian a lot. Is there an actual good place to go for UK news?

Not really.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Jose posted:

Skipping a lot of posts to say Bloodborne is one of the best games ever and there is nothing wrong with this

I wish I had even a tenth of the patience needed to enjoy one of those From games.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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WhatEvil posted:

Oh cool yeah thanks I'll check them out.

Also thread might like this:

https://twitter.com/MirrorPolitics/status/1212864465252888581?s=20

Feels like the melts are really getting behind Keir.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Chuka Umana posted:

I'm looking for a word or phrase that can encapsulate how I view today's politics. I see it as a constant barrage of awful things, but instead of it coming in dramatic change it's mostly become banal and too unnoticeable a at first for people to care. I need a word for both banal and awful.

You got them late-capitalism blues.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Sure seems like it would've been a good time to have a pro-peace Prime Minister but never mind. I'm sure Boris won't do something staggeringly stupid like leap into helping America in Iran.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Algol Star posted:

People will be imagining a repeat of the Iraq war as well. As bad as that would be, war with Iran will be awful on a whole other level. We should have no part in it but I imagine Johnson is stupid enough to believe the US right's propaganda.

I don't know how anyone who has looked at a topographical map of Iran can think this is a good place to invade. It's like Afghanistan but loving huge. I swear "Alexander did it, so can I" is about the extent of it.

But then I don't understand much about this world anymore

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Bobby Deluxe posted:

The military industrial complex wants a nice, long drawn-out conflict, not a short one. The harder it is to invade, the more toys they get to sell both sides us.

It's such poor politics though. The death count will make Iraq look like a cakewalk and we don't have a military that can hack casualties like that.

Never mind, there's wrestling on, The Best of the Best Kento Miyahara is in the ring, Donald Trump trying to start World War 3 isn't ruining this.

forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 05:52 on Jan 3, 2020

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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https://twitter.com/SolHughesWriter/status/1213051616691204096?s=20

Imagine being more worthless than Jess Phillips. Imagine having a worse response to a literal act of war than her.

Honestly, there's not a lot to be optimistic about in the current bout of Labour leadership candidates.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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ThomasPaine posted:

Weetman is currently furiously retweeting a bunch of 'actually it was good to blow up the Iranian general' takes, good to see the melts not even bothering to pretend anymore

Blairite has a bloodlust for war. Whodda thunk it?

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Isomermaid posted:

The the state of the whole HIGNFY, Private Eye, gently caress it, even latter era Python sneering type of satire is woeful to behold, getting less funny, more dated, and a shitload less USEFUL than it used to be, and it's entirely down to loving pickled boomer-to-gen-x sensibilities that have failed to adapt to the times.

Back in the day, the prevailing opinion of authority figures was that they were all Very Important and Serious, and they traded a lot on people Taking Them Seriously. And the way you satirise that is to make them look silly, to sneer cynically, to irreverently go "you're nothing special" in creative ways and get people to see them as ridiculous.

It's STILL important to take people on who think they're above everyone else, but this poo poo isn't landing because they haven't updated their jokes from this cynical sneering. Partly because it's easy to just take anything anybody says and go "this person said this, so much for that, hur hur hur". But politicians now, yeah you still get the odd one stamping their foot and demanding "take me seriously" but most of them don't care one way or another, they either roll with the punches or ignore because they're not trading on the same kind of deference, in fact if they're like Boris they're actively courting the "don't take me seriously" jokes, and it's no wonder they love him on HIGNFY because they get to do a lot of their A1 super-effective sneering without noticing that they're *actively empowering him*

Then, there's the fact that if they're not Tory-sympathetic they are at least woefully liberal and their choice of targets reflects that, you just end up with this grinding cynical trudge where there's no hope, nothing is taken seriously and that again leaves the door wide open for the status quo to go effectively unchallenged and roll on forever.

We could REALLY do with some meaningful satire that challenges the actual power structures that meaningfully effect people's lives in this country but it's not going to happen until the Hislops and the Cleeses stop chuckling from the sidelines and going "ehh loony lefties, and the tories they're all the same, amirite?"

If you've never seen the John Cleese advert for the Liberal/SDP Alliance, don't watch it.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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I have been watching wrestling since 5am

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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https://twitter.com/hodakatebi/status/1213884280239087616?s=20

America is a hell of a country.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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https://twitter.com/Lokinash06/status/1214190932326789120?s=20

A whole thread on Nick Cohen, sex pest.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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OwlFancier posted:

Never got the place tbh given I only really post here and games.

Post in Rowdy Ring Sports. It's good.

njsykora posted:

Lavery's being smart it seems. The party left might end up actually getting behind a single candidate.
https://twitter.com/benglaze/status/1214317953509969926

Someone tell me how that Rachel Swindon character has taken this news because just today she was raving about RLB being a stooge of Jon Lansman.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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HJB posted:

Populous. loving Populous. I take it all back, patriotism is the devil's own anus.

Populous was great.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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The Question IRL posted:

Meanwhile over in Ireland, the Government has just announced that the commemoration planned for the Royal Irish Constabulary/Dublin Metropolitan Police service has been cancelled due to public backlash.

I think their problem with this was when people said "isn't this offensive?" Your response shouldn't be "Why are you being offended over this?"

Of course when asked "isn't this glorify the Black and Tans?" The Government's response shouldn't have been "We are not commemorating the Black and Tans. Just the RIC."

Which to explain, the Black and Tans was the nickname given to the RIC's Special Reserve squad.
It's the equivalent of saying "we aren't hosting a celebration to the Armed Response Unit. We are celebrating the Police Force."

Bad mismanagement of this incident by the Irish Government.

I'm really grateful to the Irish government for giving us some fun, light news at this time. Like being Irish politicians and apparently not knowing what the Black & Tans were.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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CyberPingu posted:

The NY Times Daily podcast did a good summary of him yesterday, tldr, he was seen as "the guy" to a lot of what we consider terrorist organisations. When his mother died a couple of years ago. The leaders of Hezbollah, ISIS and a couple of others all turned up to show their gratification towards him and pay respects, which is pretty odd according to the journalist who was reporting on this.

Doesnt excuse the US killing him, however, there is another school of thought out there that the US didnt realise he was in the convoy and they thought it was a high ranking army official.

No, the "leaders" of ISIS did not turn up at his mum's funeral, what the gently caress are you talking about? 1) ISIS hate the Shia barely less than they hate Yazidi, Christians, Jews or anyone else that isn't a loving maniacal Wahhabist. 2) Soleimani was the point man for the Iranian operations AGAINST ISIS in Iraq & Syria.

If this actually came from the New York Time Daily podcast then that's a spectacular reason to not listen to what must be some seriously misinformed trash. I'd not bother listening to it, you'd get more accurate information from an episode of Cumtown.

He's a military leader. Specifically the leader of a special operations group that does clandestine ops & military intelligence gathering in other countries (one which US General McChrystal described as a combination of the CIA & Joint Special Operations Command). He'd have ordered a lot of poo poo that is bad. But he's no different to military leaders in this country or the States. Generally speaking armies do bad poo poo, but unless you're at war brazenly assassinating a leading general is not done. It's kind of an act of war.

Also lol at the idea they didn't know what they were doing. He was a high ranking army official.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Miftan posted:

I am Mike Pence and you claim my £5?

Also thank you to everyone who explained the no surrender business. I am still woefully uninformed about the UK's past

Just assume the worst at every turn, you won't go wrong.

Why Morris dancing? Probably something to do with a genocide in India.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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CoolCab posted:

kinda wanna gently caress around and go to uni. if I apply for Scotland I can't do a foundation year, is that right? this stuff is very confusing and I don't know if it's worth trying and its anxiety provoking :(

Been a bit since I looked but I know Strathclyde & Aberdeen did straight up foundation years. Your other option is doing a SWAP course for a year (Scottish Wider Access Programme) at a college & then going to uni. Plus I know that Glasgow Uni & Edinburgh Uni both had their own Access courses aimed at mature students wanting to get into those unis. Theoretically they could be used for a different uni but you'd need to speak to admissions departments etc, they are designed to get you into that university.

CyberPingu posted:

Ok i got that slightly wrong, the people who attended were:

" the who’s who event of every militant group in the Middle East" *proceeds to name 3 groups that we already know are closely aligned*

Yes, Iran funds groups who support Iran's geopolitical goals. Shock horror, Shia theocracy is very supportive of Shia groups around the Middle East. Much like neoliberal America funds groups who support its geopolitical goals.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Miftan posted:

What big union leadership isn't these days?

I mean yeah but my mam was in Unison until retirement and she loving hated them. They were a useless shower of melts.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Josef bugman posted:

Has anyone else been reading some new books in the new year?

I ask because I got the Iranian book of kings for Christmas and am now worried I am on a watchlist because of it, but it is really well written mythological set up!

I have gone back to terrible Tom Clancy books which are empty dumb page turners that should probably have everyone who buys them put on a watchlist for lunatic right-wingers.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Josef bugman posted:

See I have never found Tom Clancy fun to read, it might turn pages but it also puts you to sleep.

There are definitely segments that put me to sleep, the parts you can assume Clancy enjoyed writing the most, coz you can tell he got a rip-roaring hard on every time he lovingly describes so piece of military hardware. That was a man whose copies of Jane regularly had the pages stuck together. But the pew-pew-pew action just puts me in mind of some of the absolute dreck I watch on TV like NCIS and because it's so far outside of my own world I just find it amusingly dumb. I think part of it is that a lot of the time I read books that are quite dry histories so taking a break to gorge on absolutely shameless trash is a nice change of pace. There's also something about the Cold War which I really love as a background for fiction, especially poo poo written during the period, there's a whole lot of mythologising the big bad Soviet Bear that just tickles me.

I would never recommend someone read them though. If I'm going to recommend fiction I'm going to recommend poo poo that makes me sound cool & smart, like Crash. Because what's cooler & smarter than people getting off on car accidents I ask you?

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Jaeluni Asjil posted:

I don't think Clancy writes a lot of the books that come out in his name. He gets the big shiny writing on the front cover but often isn't the author.

Well yeah, he's pan bread. But I've only read his early stuff that was actually written by him.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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OwlFancier posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USu8vT_tfdw

?

I am a big fan of whichever rear end in a top hat designed a bridge to give haircuts to 12 foot box trucks.

I really really really really want to live in a house that gets to watch this. Coz it seems like someone is ploughing through in an ill-fitting vehicle every couple of weeks at least. This is good. Crash makes a lot more sense to me now.

Just laughing at how anyone in the Durham, NC area would even bother having vans or lorries at their car rental place, seems like a disaster waiting to happen.

I'm assuming the bridge was built in an era where tall automobiles weren't much of a thing.

forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 01:45 on Jan 9, 2020

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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BobbyThompson posted:

Honest question.. asking as a disillusioned Labour voter

That's a good one.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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WhatEvil posted:

IIRC they said that the movie (Serenity) completed the whole of the planned story line for the however many seasons they were going to originally make... so I don't get why they'd be bringing it back.

Capitalism is bad for the creative arts, as showcased by the sheer homogeneity of Hollywood films at this point. Better to revive something from 15 years ago than take a risk on something new.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Barry Shitpeas posted:

I'm finding it difficult to muster much enthusiasm about any of the leadership candidates. I don't want to see the party lurch back to the centre but I feel we have to acknowledge that there are people who need to be won back over and the "continuity Corbyn" tag is already hurting RLB with those people. Maybe in 5 years she can move out of Corbyn's shadow, but if it's going to be 5 more years of sniping and rebellions, it's exhausting. If Starmer can stick to the leftist principles he's been touting then maybe he could do a "reverse Blair" and get the centrists on side with a progressive agenda, but it's difficult to tell where he's really going to land and I don't think he has the right image. So right now I'm just ABP

If socialism was the right path 5 years ago, 4 years ago, 6 months ago, it's still the right thing today and will still be the right thing in 5 years time.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Niric posted:

That was me- I think some people in this thread are getting too caught up in pre-emptively disliking Starmer for betraying the left by not being exactly like Corbyn. Which seems....a reasonable thing to signal in light of the election result? I have to say I've not been hugely impressed by RLB so far, which is a real shame

This was from Labour list a couple of days re campaign teamsfwiw

I'm not going to support anyone letting Labour First lunatics anywhere near a position of importance in their campaign. Just nope. I get Labour is a broad church but I draw my line at neoliberals.

forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 17:25 on Jan 11, 2020

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Jun 13, 2012

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gh0stpinballa posted:

honest q, do you think the british state would allow people to elect socialism

I think that if Jeremy Corbyn-lead Labour Party had won the 2019 general election then Jeremy Corbyn would now be Prime Minister. I think if we had a popular uprising outwith a general election the state apparatus would absolutely fight it tooth & nail.

I'll worry about if the state apparatus will let us in after we've proven that we can actually win over the public. But what's the alternative? Despair isn't helpful and ultimately is a self-fulfilling prophecy of failure. I continue to advocate for working outwith as well as within the Labour Party, and abandoning the Labour Party when it's no longer useful to the goal of establishing socialism is entirely valid, at least in the sense of stopping wasting energy on internal battles that can't be won even if you still keep your membership active just in case. Right now we're at a rare moment in time when the membership have a large say in the direction of the Labour Party so until that's changed by the Labour right there's still some value in it as a vehicle for pushing socialist narratives in the mainstream in away that just did not occur before 2015.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Android Blues posted:

Who do people like for the leadership (out of who's actually running)?

I loved Corbyn but am a bit sceptical of Long-Bailey. Have always liked Nandy despite her being closer to the centre, but she backed Owen Smith in 2016, which is not ideal.

Long-Bailey person with the best socialist bona fides running.

Barry the Sprout posted:

I had a quick look at the potential Liberal Democrat leadership nominees and lol.

Should they even bother with one? They've barely enough MPs for it to be worthwhile.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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WhatEvil posted:

So it's pretty obvious that RLB is the best choice of those running for leader. What do we think of Rayner?

As it stands she's the only one with a chance of getting on the ballot of looking good but I've also seen a lot of proper lefty's on Twitter saying they don't like her.

There's resentment that she isn't releasing some of her endorsement to ensure Butler gets enough nominations but she'd still be a big step up from the last Deputy Leader we had.

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Jun 13, 2012

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Darth Walrus posted:

Are there any really bad Deputy Leaders on the list who we should be worried about coming close to Rayner if the left-wing vote gets split? Because if not, pushing Butler sounds like a perfectly fine idea.

Rayner has plenty of nominations so no on that front, & the vote itself is done by preferential voting so just put Rayner 1, Butler 2 or Butler 1 & Rayner 2 and then it doesn't matter at all.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Hard pass from me.

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Jun 13, 2012

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ronya posted:

it would not shock me if the next leader does whip the party to stay within the dotted lines on I/P and A/S - if the leader can grit his teeth and say that Israel has a right to exist, 1967 borders, &c, then so can the membership; people who just cannot endure going without denouncing Israel as a racist endeavour &c. might well be considered acceptable losses. There is no obvious reason why a left-wing movement that could (and did) demand compromise on core issues like austerity, immigration, nuclear disarmament, &c cannot also survive doing so on I/P... single-issuers are gonna single-issue but conversely that's how big tents work

Corbyn always had an idiosyncratic fascination with backbencher takes on foreign policy (not I/P especially but a broad theme encompassing Venezuela, Russia, Iran, &c) but this neither quite gels with Londonesque internationalism nor with Labour heartlands neoisolationism, to pull a few media tropes from a hat... what worked in a post-Iraq mood would not continue to resonate as well two decades on. None of the younger gen have good reasons to pitch their campaign tent on this particular hill, with the notable exception of Williamson who has already successfully sidelined himself

I'm not willing to compromise on the right for Palestinians to be allowed to exist.

It must be wild not believing in anything, everything being some sort of abstract concept ripe for horsetrading.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

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Jun 13, 2012

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radmonger posted:

Pratchett’s Discworld started out as a literal D&D parody, with jokes that only land if you have read Pern, CS Lewis, Asimov, Conan, Leiber, etc.

What Star Wars and Potter shared is that they could be fully enjoyed by someone who had never read anything nominated for a Hugo.

As someone whose fantasy experience when first read The Colour of Magic was one Michael Moorcock book my dad insisted I read as a kid I still got plenty out of Discworld despite no more than a loose cultural awareness of Conan.

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