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Shiroc posted:I bought a gunbai Woah, weird seeing a phone number written with traditional numbers. Cool poo poo!
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Jun 11, 2021 08:02
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https://twitter.com/InsideSportJP/status/1403283512455614464 Asanoyama banned for a year, salary cut in half for six months His career is toast
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Jun 11, 2021 11:26
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Zedsdeadbaby posted:https://twitter.com/InsideSportJP/status/1403283512455614464 Nah he's young. He'll make it back. In 2 years time. That's slightly harsher than I expected but not as harsh as it should have been.
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Jun 11, 2021 11:31
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How far will that drop him in the rankings?
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Jun 11, 2021 11:58
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Chinook posted:How far will that drop him in the rankings? Probably bottom of division 3 by the time he steps back on the dohyo. So expect to see a repeat of Abi and Ansanoyama getting two yushos as he goes back into Juryo then into Makuuchi again. His 50% pay cut for 6 months is more of a punishment to be honest. Also his coach is getting a 20% pay cut for 3 months.
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Jun 11, 2021 12:16
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If he had won eight instead of seven before he was forced to pull out he would have been able to shave one tournament off his plummet. I wonder how much difference that would have made.
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Jun 11, 2021 12:50
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Chinook posted:How far will that drop him in the rankings? Brut posted:Kadoban Ozeki in July, Sekiwake in September, probably about M10 in November, and then somewhere in Juryo for January of next year. This was what I was thinking when it was gonna be 3 tournaments, if we add 3 more to it that...that's one in upper Makushita, one in lower Makushita, and one somewhere in sandanme...so depending on exact placement he's likely gonna be deep in Sandanme by the time he's allowed back, if not even lower.
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Jun 11, 2021 13:42
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Lol let's see if he gets back up to ozeki Edit:this is divine punishment for being a boring ozeki
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Jun 11, 2021 14:57
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https://twitter.com/SumoFollower/status/1403337882618761217 lmfao this is wild
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Jun 11, 2021 14:58
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All that for sneaky handjobs and stale sake Hope it was worth it
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Jun 11, 2021 15:09
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punishment seems fair imo. that's a hefty and warranted suspension but he can continue his career. just to show how not toast he is take a look at where the kaiju had to resume his career from and he obv wasn't nearly at the form he is now as he dropped a jonidan playoff match and one in sandanme. health isn't going to be an obstacle and asanoyama should fly up the lower ranks as abi just did. 
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Jun 11, 2021 15:18
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Thauros posted:punishment seems fair imo. that's a hefty and warranted suspension but he can continue his career. just to show how not toast he is take a look at where the kaiju had to resume his career from
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Jun 11, 2021 15:42
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Southpaugh posted:Lol let's see if he gets back up to ozeki Asanoyama pulling off the Terunofuji comeback - Heel edition - would be pretty funny to be fair.
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Jun 11, 2021 16:19
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It essentially kills his Yokozuna chances even if he goes full Teru and destroys everyone coming back up. Based on Teru’s run, 1 year suspension and then at least 2 years to get back to Ozeki makes him over 30 by the time he gets back to his current position. Still enough time to have a good career, but a bit old for a real Yokozuna run at the end (even if they don’t summarily dismiss him for character reasons).
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Jun 11, 2021 16:45
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The year suspension straight up destroys his hinkaku - he'll never be yokozuna
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Jun 11, 2021 17:13
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aoiyama.
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Jun 11, 2021 18:03
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BONGHITZ posted:aoiyama. Let's all remember what's important here.
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Jun 11, 2021 18:35
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BONGHITZ posted:aoiyama.  Zedsdeadbaby posted:https://twitter.com/InsideSportJP/status/1403283512455614464 Was the retirement paperwork a formality that was always expected to be rejected?
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Jun 11, 2021 19:16
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Marching Powder posted:congratulations to takayasu for his dominant performance to ensure his kk. people said he was insane when he called asanoyama on a blocked number and in a weird falsetto claimed that he was a hostess at his favourite hostess club and was very horny and needed a big, successful man to complain about how his sumo isn't up to standard.
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Jun 11, 2021 19:22
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I don't think Asanoyama was going to make Yokozuna, regardless of his suspension.
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Jun 11, 2021 19:48
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The reporter was male and their relationship was "intimate"? Am I missing something, or isn't Japan really homophobic so that would add another shade to the scandal? Or was that not what was meant?
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Jun 11, 2021 20:05
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Sub Rosa posted:The reporter was male and their relationship was "intimate"? Am I missing something, or isn't Japan really homophobic so that would add another shade to the scandal? Or was that not what was meant? Intimate can mean very close, or very familiar, not necessarily sexual in nature. Like you can know how to build PCs intimately for example. It is a strange choice of word though.
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Jun 11, 2021 20:08
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Yeah it's just a slightly ambiguous translation, the original uses 親しく, which is a pretty standard word covering close/friendly/intimate.
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Jun 11, 2021 21:21
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I really don't care for demotions as a punishment. First, I don't think it's going to be a huge penalty for the wrestler. Abi dropped down to Makushita #56 and he easily bodied his way back up to juryo in two bashos with a 14-0 record, and I expect he'll push through to makuuchi pretty easily as well. Asanoyama's gonna drop lower, yeah, but a former ozeki is just gonna stomp through the lower ranks without a problem. It's going to be irritating but not difficult. And second, I think it's unfair to the rikishi in the lower divisions to disrupt their rankings and promotions by dropping a sekiwake down there to stomp on them. "Asanoyama has hosed up majorly and as a punishment we're going to make him slap you guys around for a year before he gets back up to salaried ranks". It's always rubbed me the wrong way. Sub Rosa posted:The reporter was male and their relationship was "intimate"? Am I missing something, or isn't Japan really homophobic so that would add another shade to the scandal? Or was that not what was meant? That's an English digest of the Japanese source, so I think it may just be an awkward translation.
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Jun 11, 2021 22:23
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The demotion isn’t just about the rank though IIRC. I don’t recall exactly how the salary structure works but if I’m not mistaken once you fall out of Makuuchi your salary drops, and once you slide out of Juryo you are no longer salaried. So it’ll take a while but he’ll definitely be taking a financial hit for at least a few months and during his rise up. He’s Ozeki so presumably he’s got a fat reserve so it may or may not actually affect him day to day but who really knows. I’m actually not sure how it works if you tumble back down to low levels, do you have to become subservient to higher ranked wrestlers again?
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Jun 11, 2021 23:52
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It fucks up his legacy as a rikishi. He doesn't have the personal pride of someone with an unblemished record and people will think better of the guy who is more lowly ranked and never missed a basho than Mr. Shame himself asanoyama. It is kinda hosed up that some kids/lower ranked dudes will have their own progression hosed up by a goddamn former ozeki coming into contention but one could argue that the opportunity to wrestle a highly skilled opponent is worth it considering someone who is normally winning at that rank they'll probably only drop the one extra match to him and that needs to be considered. The purse hit is significant and the legacy damage is unmistakable. Particularly when asanoyama has basically failed the old men who were supporting/boosting him as the next Japanese yokozuna. Who knows maybe he still will be the next Japanese yokozuna, however many years from now. (he won't be)
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Jun 12, 2021 01:07
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Thar Chris sumo youtube guy is saying that asanoyamas senior who has thrown him under the bus was actually forcing the younger wrestlers to break quarantine so they could take him to hostess clubs etc So asanoyama is having the book thrown at him to avoid looking deeper into all the older, grumpier dudes who are breaking the rules constantly
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Jun 12, 2021 11:03
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Asanoyama could've strung two good tournaments together and made it to Yokozuna if this thing hadn't happened. He looks the most like a Yokozuna out of all the guys at the top of the standings not named Terunofuji. The question now becomes who is going to fill that slot of being the next possible Yokozuna candidate? Takakeisho is inconsistent and a pusher. Shodai is Shodai. Hoshoryu is still very raw and doesn't seem to be improving a whole lot anymore. It'll be interesting to see if anyone can separate themselves from the pack in the post-Hakuho era.
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Jun 12, 2021 11:48
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Wakatakakage, he just needs to be like 5% better He is like a dam that's almost about to burst, if only...!!
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Jun 12, 2021 13:10
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You guys are going to feel real sheepish when it turns out the next Yokozuna is Akiseyama.
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Jun 12, 2021 13:23
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Long time Juryo dude and big salt thrower Asahisho retired. Apparently popular on the talk show circuit due to his fondness for hijinx: Really just an excuse to repost my favorite sumo photo.
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Jun 12, 2021 17:03
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If wrestlers aren't getting paid below juryo how long do they grind it out? What kind of support can a failed wrestler get? Is someone like hattorizakura (he's the guy that never wins, right?) just screwed when it comes to job prospects?
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Jun 12, 2021 17:36
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they can grind it out as long as they want and their bodies can do it. the oldest active rikishi is a 51 year old who debuted in 1986 and has never made it pat sandanme. and yeah, i've never quite been able to figure out where on the inspirational-tragic spectrum guys like him and shonanzakura (fka hattorizakura) lie as they're basically lving for room and board and prob face limited prospects outside of heya life.i know many of them become cooks as that's a necessary skill non sekitori have to learn and utilize daily https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanakaze_Daisaku
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Jun 12, 2021 17:50
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ilmucche posted:If wrestlers aren't getting paid below juryo how long do they grind it out? What kind of support can a failed wrestler get? You do get some money in the lower divisions as can be seen in Chris Sumo's video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbgN_jTrK_Q So Shonanzakura (ex hattorizakura) will be getting some money, but not very much. As for after sumo I think it's a lot like other professional sports, you're left to get on with it, you find quite a few wrestlers have gone to university and have some sort of qualification but i can't really speak with much authority on the issue, it is an interesting topic I'd like to know more about. VICE did a short video where they visited two wrestles after retirement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rySF09shELs bessantj fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Jun 12, 2021 |
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Jun 12, 2021 18:17
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They're not totally on their own - the koenkai (support groups) that fund either individual rikishi or heya will often use their connections to set up retiring wrestlers with work after they retire, from what I understand.
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Jun 12, 2021 18:44
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Elissimpark posted:They're not totally on their own - the koenkai (support groups) that fund either individual rikishi or heya will often use their connections to set up retiring wrestlers with work after they retire, from what I understand. That can be really hit or miss though, depending on the Heya, your length of time in, rank achieved etc. I feel bad for the 17-19 year olds that are going to lose what could have been their 3rd and 4th division Yushos when Asanoyama comes back and curbstomps the lot of them, but yeah he's not making Yokozuna without a hellacious run. No more rule bending for him, I dunno what the Japanese version of "The Great White Hope" is, but Asa lost his golden boy status hard. The fun question is where do those hopes go now? Sure, technically Takakeishō COULD be on a run, but in your heart you know it can only be one man......as a nation turns it's lonely eyes to Shodai!
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Jun 12, 2021 21:22
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I'd actually really love if shodai got his poo poo together.
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Jun 12, 2021 21:27
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Same but Takayasu He is so inside his own head that he should be paying rent
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Jun 12, 2021 22:16
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After Kisenosato, Endo was the next Great Japanese Hope until he suffered his knee injury. Keisho was next, followed by Asanoyama. If nothing else, Asanoyama's fall from grace should hopefully make the grumpy old farts ease up on Hakuho some, unless they want to face a Yokozuna drought the way they did pre-Akebono.
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I mean, Hakuho basically announced that July is the last hurrah, so we're in a no-kozuna era for September unless Terunofuji wins in July or loses a playoff at 13-2. If that latter outcome happens both he and Takakeisho are theoretically up for the belt, but that would be pretty wild.
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