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For England, James.
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Peterloo would be perfect for this if you were teaching college students but it's not pop culture and not obviously teenager friendly.
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Jan 7, 2020 19:19
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Hand Knit posted:Yes but they're very tastefully done. And, again, involves the monarchy. Hey I’m not complaining. In my experience nothing is more redolent of the high school experience than a handjob in awkward circumstances
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Jan 7, 2020 19:55
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Dark Water released this year and could easily fill in for The Big Short.
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Jan 7, 2020 21:07
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Check out Woman at war. The only objectionable thing I can think of in it is some bare breasts in a locker room scene
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Jan 7, 2020 21:28
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Batman v Superman would be a good one.
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Jan 7, 2020 21:59
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Is there any way you can fit They Live into the curriculum? I've never taught a class, but I feel like if I ever got to teach Intro to Film that would be the first movie I'd show them. Put on your sunglasses and pay attention to how media influences you whether you want it to or not. edit: Out of curiosity could you share the syllabus as it currently stands? TrixRabbi fucked around with this message at 22:49 on Jan 7, 2020 |
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Jan 7, 2020 22:47
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Does your class not require some catch-all waiver from parents that allows you to show adult content? I remember my high school film class having that.
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Jan 8, 2020 01:25
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Kull the Conqueror posted:Does your class not require some catch-all waiver from parents that allows you to show adult content? I remember my high school film class having that. It does, but unfortunately if a parent complains hard enough, the parent will win. Also, I teach in a pretty problematic area. So ethically speaking I don't feel comfortable showing legitimately disturbing stuff. Long story short, I can get away with SOME stuff, but I have to be fussy and careful.
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You'd probably be better served by teaching them how to recognize the way that films reflect and present ideologies in general instead of trying to do some "politics is downstream from culture" neolib thing where all you need to do is show kids the right movies with the right messages and it means they'll grow up into woke adults.
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Jan 8, 2020 01:46
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my teacher went right ahead and showed us poo poo like eraserhead and dancer in the dark. now I'm getting nostalgic
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Kull the Conqueror posted:my teacher went right ahead and showed us poo poo like eraserhead and dancer in the dark. now I'm getting nostalgic Nice. We watched Amadeus and Bound in my high school introductory to film class, and El Norte and Mariachi in my high school Spanish class. I had some cool rear end high school teachers.
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Jan 8, 2020 04:48
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My science teacher had me watch Gattaca, that was cool I’d suggest that if you didn’t have the five year rule
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Jan 8, 2020 05:24
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gently caress, I was about to say Elysium but that was 7 years ago I honestly feel like Joker is probably your best call, because 1) a decent chunk of your class has guaranteed already seen it if they're HS seniors, 2) it's not that objectionable for an R-rated movie and just has some bloody violence in bits, and 3) it's loving hammer-blunt with its eat the rich message
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Jan 8, 2020 08:18
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Cool teacher turns his chair around and straddles the back of it, facing the class. "You've all seen Joker, but what if I told you the real joke...is capitalism???"
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Sleeveless posted:Cool teacher turns his chair around and straddles the back of it, facing the class. "You've all seen Joker, but what if I told you the real joke...is capitalism???" unironically
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Jan 8, 2020 09:51
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Seriously, just show like Toy Story 4 or something. I ain’t seen it, but if you can’t highlight ideology in a Disney/Pixar film then what is even the point.
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Jan 8, 2020 10:01
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Arrival would be an ok one? Or possibly Bladerunner 2049. Bladerunner was a great text to study back in my Uni days and 2049 was a really good follow up. Ideology up the wazoo!
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TychoCelchuuu posted:What the gently caress does "ideological" mean? Every movie is ideological. Yah sorry OP but you can't teach if you don't learn
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Shin Godzilla might not be a terrible choice, though the political issues in question are largely Japan-centric. Come to think of it, Kong: Skull Island probably works for your purposes, too.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbqAcDDnb1Q
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Jan 9, 2020 08:24
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Age of viewers, year restriction and if I use ideology the way I think he means; Joker into Parasite. And you can take the same theme to other decades (backgrounds) with different movies. Not a movie, but something like Chernobyl would be fantastic as well.
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Jan 9, 2020 13:35
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I think Knives Out is a pretty good example right now.
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So last night I revised how to read films ideologically by watching A Pervert's Guide to Ideology. And after seeing a bunch of ideological reads on a bunch of different movies, I now understand why I was struggling with this. I hate ideological reads on films. Mostly because of the people in my classes at University were the most self-indulgent, insufferable douchebags, that when I finished Uni I kinda swore off ideological film reading and haven't practiced it since then. I watch film for philosophical and psychological ideas. I like to analyse the plot and the characters. I am a film wanker in the sense that if there's a plot-hole, I'll be the first jerk to point it out, but I preferred to use films to learn about people. When a film or a character was well liked, I liked to understand the reasons why people found it so engaging and what techniques\characteristics were used to make it engaging. I find that to be creatively more fulfilling and I tend to teach film from a creative standpoint more than anything else. Meanwhile an ideological film read means you watch a film through a specific lens or filter (Pervert's Guide used the glasses of They Live as a fantastic analogy which I will absolutely steal) and use the film as a method to explore the ideology. Kinda the same thing but with a different focus. The problem is that a lot of people "identify" as an ideology. So when they watch a film they aren't doing it to explore a particular ideology, as much as they are looking for personal validation. In other words, the most important thing to that audience member is that the film conforms to their ideology as they are looking to be patted on the back for thinking the same way about something. End result is that they often want the media to be an echo chamber for their ideas, where they get their ideology reflected back at them and anything which does not conform to their ideology is trash, regardless of the quality of the text. These were the people I was surrounded by at Uni. I'll never forget one guy who identified as a hardcore Marxist. 20 year old kid with a Karl Marx beard and hairstyle who smoked a loving pipe. Any film that he regarded as "Anti Marx" was immediately a bad film and while most of his interpretations weren't necessarily invalid, his entire perspective on whether or not a film was well-made, engaging, creative or entertaining hinged entirely on whether or not it was Pro-Marxist. He thought he was super witty by declaring which films had "High Marx" and which ones had "Low Marx" However, after watching Slavoj rip through a few movies, I remembered how this works and I've got a way better idea of what I want now. I still want something so blatantly obvious it beats you over the head with its ideology though. No point trying to be subtle when you're introducing students to these sort of interpretations. Yes it's true that you can do an ideological read on literally any film but I don't think that's a good way to start learning how to do this. Joker is definitely in the lead upon re-watching, but I still want to check out Parasite and Widows.
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H13 posted:I hate ideological reads on films. Mostly because of the people in my classes at University were the most self-indulgent, insufferable douchebags, that when I finished Uni I kinda swore off ideological film reading and haven't practiced it since then. Uh, again: ideology is at its purest when you believe that you are outside ideology. Like, for example: when you insist that you are neutrally/apolitically concerned with developing creative techniques to foster ‘engagement’ with media products - and oppose this to teen leftists(?) who unnaturally isolate themselves from this worldview and insincerely claim that the exploitation of the working class under capitalism is bad (because, you imagine, their true goal is the theft of enjoyment)? That’s ideology.
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And if you really are analyzing story elements like characters and plot then you're already analyzing the ideology, whoops!
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H13 posted:These were the people I was surrounded by at Uni. I'll never forget one guy who identified as a hardcore Marxist. 20 year old kid with a Karl Marx beard and hairstyle who smoked a loving pipe. Any film that he regarded as "Anti Marx" was immediately a bad film and while most of his interpretations weren't necessarily invalid, his entire perspective on whether or not a film was well-made, engaging, creative or entertaining hinged entirely on whether or not it was Pro-Marxist. He thought he was super witty by declaring which films had "High Marx" and which ones had "Low Marx" Dude there's easier ways to get banned from CineD Blood Boils posted:And if you really are analyzing story elements like characters and plot then you're already analyzing the ideology, whoops! You think this is some kind of stunning zinger but you know drat well what he's asking for and it's not ignorant or anti-intellectual at all. If someone asks for political films from the 90s you can be reasonably sure they're looking for, like, The American President, not a treatise on why they really want a deep dive into the politics of The Land Before Time. McSpanky fucked around with this message at 09:21 on Jan 10, 2020 |
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Jan 10, 2020 09:11
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I'm not a Marxist but that 20 year old sounds like a lotta fun tbh Anyways, I vote for alien: covenant Edit: or Chappie! Blood Boils fucked around with this message at 09:24 on Jan 10, 2020 |
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Uh, again: ideology is at its purest when you believe that you are outside ideology. i'm gonna just throw out there that you're tackling this from a direction that, while valid, is totally useless to the OP. the OP is looking for specific films that are extremely blunt and unsubtle about their messaging, to introduce children to the idea that film can be political at all. like, no poo poo pretty much everything is, when you actively look for it, but it'll be easier to get that across with a movie where you don't have to dig for it and it's just right there on the surface, vs. one where the messaging is somewhat more subtle and/or insidious. if it weren't for the 5-year rule, Elysium would be the #1 thing I'd be throwing out, because there is almost literally no other way to read that movie except "GIVE US UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE NOW, YOU FUCKERS" and that seems to be along the lines of what OP is looking for.
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McSpanky posted:Dude there's easier ways to get banned from CineD No one gets banned for not being Marxist or has called the op anti-intellectual. We're just teasing their strange positions, they obviously can take or leave any advice/recommendations, tho as a parent, I demand to speak to their principal I would definitely recommend land before time over that other one. 3 horns don't play with longnecks!
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gently caress I just realized, if we're going by wide release dates, Green Room is in the running Green Room similarly has a very simple and hammer-blunt message of "neo-Nazis loving suck" it might be too disturbingly violent for a class of high school seniors, frankly if you do pick it i'd love to be a fly on the wall for their reactions to the arm scene, but it'll definitely achieve the goal if you can get away with it and if Joker's on the table then Green Room isn't that much worse (if you think they'd do fine with the murder in Arthur's apartment in Joker, they'll most likely be fine for Green Room).
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:gently caress I just realized, if we're going by wide release dates, Green Room is in the running Uhhhh I just watched Green Room two nights ago for the second time and youre out of your mind thinking that level of violence is on par with Joker and appropriate at all to show in school.
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He could just do what my old x-ed/art history teacher did: use his hands + VHS cover to block out nudity & violence
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Blood Boils posted:He could just do what my old x-ed/art history teacher did: use his hands + VHS cover to block out nudity & violence My teacher just fast-forwarded past the nudity and swore us to secrecy, there weren't no snitches in high school english
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McSpanky posted:My teacher just fast-forwarded past the nudity and swore us to secrecy, there weren't no snitches in high school english Our teacher Homer Simpson screamed and fast forwarded past the snakes in Indiana Jones. He also loudly declared "this is terrible" five minutes into Troy and turned it off.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:the OP is looking for specific films that are extremely blunt and unsubtle about their messaging, to introduce children to the idea that film can be political at all. like, no poo poo pretty much everything is, when you actively look for it, but it'll be easier to get that across with a movie where you don't have to dig for it and it's just right there on the surface, vs. one where the messaging is somewhat more subtle and/or insidious. The problem is that that is not what ideology is, and would result in teaching the students incorrectly. Like, if this were a physics class on what gravity is, OP is talking about magnets. It may be easier to say that people stick to the Earth because it's like a big magnet, but it's also false. Ideology is very distict from 'political messaging', whether deep or superficial.
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Blood Boils posted:I'm not a Marxist but that 20 year old sounds like a lotta fun tbh Second vote for Chappie!
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Joker's ideology is nihilistic provocation. It wallpapers "eat the rich" capitalist critique as a facade to cover that its an entirely cynical film that doesn't actually give a poo poo about class conditions. Parasite would be a way better choice.
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I think you should show the high school kids Green Inferno to prepare them for the perils of hacky sack on the quad.
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