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Snooze Cruise posted:im gay and say watch akanesasu shoujo and read double house
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like being gay? then read so, wanna go out, or
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Jan 6, 2020 22:58
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Viridiant posted:I haven't gotten to read all of it yet but I liked what I did get to read of My Brother's Husband. Is the live action adaptation good? the bride was a boy is a fun 'trans issues in japan 101' primer that never feels too like, handholdy or patronizing.
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Jan 7, 2020 13:43
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nabari no ou is a shonen manga by a nonbinary author and deals with 'man the gender binary kinda sucks' if you want a decent shonen thats also decent Gender, as opposed to lgbt romance and drama manga howeever the best character in nabari no ou is the cat also the nabari no ou anime is pretty bad even if it has a good op
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Jan 8, 2020 02:58
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cant find the panel but the page of nabari no ou where the gender issues kid is curled up in a ball while the narration goes 'black and white, front and back, victory or defeat. people are obsessed with things being one or the other. male or female. they must have lived a difficult life. not knowing what they are.' that page absolutely snaps
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Jan 8, 2020 03:01
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personally im very invested in their random basketball game that goes on for 50 chapters
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Jan 20, 2020 09:20
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Craptacular! posted:That chart really drives home how far we have strayed from the righteous path in this past decade.
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Jan 27, 2020 23:16
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Craptacular! posted:Okay, let me restate it more plainly: also gotta say mocking stuff as 'slash ship teasing' and 'haha gay' sure isnt making me take your opinions on which anime are lgbt-friendly seriously
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Jan 28, 2020 01:48
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also back when utena was currentish in anime fandom i got driven off multiple forums for saying utena and anthy were gay so i dont think it actually made anime fandom more lgbt friendly also lgbt-friendly anime existed well before utena
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Jan 28, 2020 01:49
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RottenK posted:hi im gay, animes are cool i agree
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Jan 28, 2020 01:54
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the director said hell try and tell the rest of the story in some way so hopefully that comes to fruition. even just a novel or manga would be cool
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Jan 28, 2020 01:58
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RottenK posted:i've heard about that and im glad and wish him well if its a manga it probably will at least a fan translation, if its a novel uhhhh. hopefully!
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Jan 28, 2020 02:02
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esselfortium posted:I watched Utena for the first time a few months ago and I was kind of surprised at how aggressively het it was for such an iconic Gay Show™. I enjoyed it generally, but it sure wasn't what I expected from everything I'd heard about it over the years.
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Jan 28, 2020 03:08
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Aoi-chan posted:Does anyone have opinions on Hourou Musuko/Wandering Son?
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Jan 28, 2020 11:47
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Talkc posted:So i have a love/hate/hate/hate affair with anime and lgbt stuff. I think the only like solid queer tv animes ive seen are No.6 and Given? And maybe cause im too tired of really god awful anime to find anything else? Mind you, its what ive seen. Im sure theres more but... like most seem to really solidly misrepresent or just create a lot of weirdness around the issue of queer characters. idk there's plenty of decent stuff like this out there even if you do stick to anime, you just aren't likely to find it in like, insanely mainstream shonen or w/e. i wouldnt really say 'most misrepresent it/create a lot of weirdness around it', tbh in my experience its like, one of the better mediums about this stuff, though obviously thats hard to rank.
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Jan 30, 2020 03:34
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look i dont think you're coming from a bad place or anything but 1) 'You have to accept that this stuff is made for Japanese women who are often in toxic relationships with men who display misogynistic behaviors.' what???? a lot of the women who like bl are lesbians and even the ones who aren't are usually using bl to explore their own sexuality, they aren't just accepting it blandly as common fact. the point of having stuff like that isn't 'wow, this is what normal romantic relationships are like!' it's because they're attracted to the idea of a taboo, passionate relationship. 2) you're really overselling the amount of times this stuff actually comes up in BL, especially more recently made stuff, as well as how its possible to handle it well or handle it poorly. 3) 'the intended audience is so is accustomed to a culture of men raping women, that men raping other men seems logical.' this is just straightup racist lol. japanese women, they see rape as logical! thats how misogynistic japan is! 4) 'gays' 5) there are gay men who are into this stuff too, the topic's way more nuanced then you're giving it credit for. 6) again, love stage is based off a manga from a decade ago by an author who's been working in the genre for twenty, a lot of more modern stuff is pretty far beyond those tropes. they obviously still crop up but I wouldn't take them as representative as all mainstream bl or anything. 'all this rape' is a pretty strong mischaracterization.
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Jan 30, 2020 04:30
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like the core point of 'a lot of bl IS made for women so there's sometimes a voyeuristic element to it' isn't wrong at all but the way you got there was pretty hosed up.
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Jan 30, 2020 04:39
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everythingWasBees posted:allies are banned from this thread now im sorry i don't make the rules B) should have been this way from the thought imo.
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Jan 30, 2020 04:51
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everythingWasBees posted:back when i still identified as male, my first exposure to any sort of gay material was loving loveless
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Jan 30, 2020 05:44
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Thuryl posted:Endorph never said "mostly", she said there's a lot of lesbians who are into BL, which is true and a recognized phenomenon. Akiko Morishima even mentioned it in a short autobiographical comic about going to a lesbian otaku meetup: and also love stage, the manga being discussed, is by a lesbian couple. they have an amazing manga about a world where butch4butch couples are punished by law.
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Jan 30, 2020 06:46
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Toalpaz posted:when a man really loves a woman................................
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Craptacular! posted:Well thanks, but I'll tell you the place I'm coming from: I get sick of the amount of rape in this genre of anime, and it's why I'm largely done with it. I feel like the best queer stuff I find is in manga, which is why even though I'm not into the bara subgenre I find stuff like My Brother's Husband (about a western bear-type meeting his husband's Japanese family) a bit easier to deal with. I've asked around why there's so much rape in yaoi, but I've mostly asked women, and the answer I get most often is along the lines of "consider how women view the male-dominated society in Japan." Which is to say nobody actually draws lines between the points, but men do still have a lot of privilege in Japan. Gay men less so. Craptacular! posted:Trying to talk the mainstream out of their worst fear knee-jerk reaction is bad for queer acceptance as a whole. Endorph fucked around with this message at 11:57 on Jan 30, 2020 |
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Jan 30, 2020 11:53
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calling it 'signal boosting for pedoscum' is pretty rough, dude.
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Jan 30, 2020 13:05
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Archer666 posted:That's my take too. When I was with some older Japanese guys at a bar and casually mentioned I was gay, they just kept asking me questions about dick sizes in my country vs Japan, when did I realize it etc. I think Japanese people are just really curious about foreigners, especially ones that aren't just endlessly going on about anime. Libra posted:If I remember correctly, approval of homosexuality is statistically higher in Japan than in America, with an extremely noticeable generational gap. I'm pretty sure it's the old people who suck, and they're in charge.
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Jan 30, 2020 20:11
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PhysicsFrenzy posted:What was her take? that its kind of sexist and conservative even if she can respect aspects of it
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Jan 31, 2020 03:26
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Thuryl posted:yeah i remember reading an interview quote from takeuchi about uranus and neptune that was something like "i believe that a masculine and feminine person could be attracted to each other regardless of gender" and just going "uh okay you're halfway there i guess???" like 90% of the conflicts in the series are about usagi having to stay with the 'right man' also
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Jan 31, 2020 10:22
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Rody One Half posted:Yeah but in my version they're all gay as poo poo
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Jan 31, 2020 10:44
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Stalin-Chan posted:I have to admit the most gay anime i've seen is Noir. Which isn't very. its not even the gayest of the bee train girls with guns trilogy
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Jan 31, 2020 10:46
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anyone who immediately goes to 'oh, pedophilia!?' if you say 'bl' was never going to take it seriously or not think you're a secret pedophile anyway. like i can understand where you're coming from but it feels like you're prioritizing appearances to hypothetical straight people over the comfort of real gay people, you feel me.
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Jan 31, 2020 13:25
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Yeah, I get you. Sorry if it felt like I was jumping on you, but obviously like, you aren't the only person in this thread woth trauma relating to being accused of awful poo poo due to your sexuality, so when you started throwing that around people got understandably jumpy, even if you didnt mean to accuse anyone here of anything. Again, totally get where you're coming from but the like, approach felt really off to me.
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Jan 31, 2020 13:57
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it doesnt really feel like the joke is 'haha they want to be a girl' it feels like you're meant to find how happy they get about it goofy in an endearing way. like a cooking manga where everyone gets stupidly happy when they eat good food, you aren't meant to think the idea of wanting to eat good food is mockable. you get me?
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Jan 31, 2020 22:05
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the bride was a boy, yeah, though its mostly about the author's marriage. both her parents and her husband's parents are supportive so it isn't exactly an acerbic takedown of a transphobic society but it gets into a lot of the legal issues in japan, so it's worth a read if you want more info on that.
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Jan 31, 2020 22:44
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i personally dont like 'queer' at all but if someone else wants to use it i dont care so long as they aren't acting like its like, the most 'progressive' word to say if that makes sense lots of 'people who say queer are proud rebels, people who say gay are cowards' type posts ive seen, over the years plus it kinda bugs me that people sometimes use 'queer' to describe something that's very much just, one thing. like yuri manga with no trans characters getting called 'queer' feels off to me.
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Feb 2, 2020 22:19
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RottenK posted:i thought that "queer" was a universal slur agaisnt all lgbt people, wouldn't a reclaimed version of it also work for any part of the gender/sexuality spectrum?
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Feb 2, 2020 23:12
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skaianDestiny posted:Queer has been reclaimed for decades. The slogan "We're here, we're queer, get used to it" has been used since the 90's by LGBT activists.
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Feb 2, 2020 23:26
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dogsicle posted:i don't think that post is at all saying people uncomfortable with the term don't exist it 100% is
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Feb 2, 2020 23:30
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has anyone in here suggested a ban or even expressed disapproval of people using it
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Feb 3, 2020 00:04
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yeah sorry if i seemed jumpy i just legit have been called a terf due solely to expressing my discomfort/misgivings imo while terfs obviously exist i think people oversell the 'terfs manipulating the datastream' stuff and a lot of the stuff people attribute that to really is just people expressing sincere misgivings
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Feb 3, 2020 00:33
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my experience was kids said gay and adults said queer
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yeah you dont have to justify your identity to anyone. i think the twitter/tumblr generation kinda puts you in that mindset, but your identity doesnt have to be something you can fit in an aboutme blurb or w/e. just do what you wanna do and live how you wanna live, theres no arbitrary test you have to pass before you can call yourself not straight
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