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It seems like the nurses at the hospital I'm working at are going Teamster (lol) the union is open to working with non-nurses but has made it clear that they're prioritizing the nurses. What's a good strategy for this situation?
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War and Pieces posted:It seems like the nurses at the hospital I'm working at are going Teamster (lol) the union is open to working with non-nurses but has made it clear that they're prioritizing the nurses. What's a good strategy for this situation? are you a nurse or someone else?
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Feb 19, 2024 07:43
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anyone else think unions are cool https://twitter.com/SBWorkersUnited/status/1759911038450123173
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Feb 20, 2024 18:28
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kingcobweb posted:anyone else think unions are cool I actually think they’re epic and ftw as it happens
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Feb 20, 2024 18:47
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a good overview and some good news: https://twitter.com/SEIU/status/1761093451993485713 97% yes vote
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Feb 23, 2024 21:14
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i'm gonna be down in San Diego for some kinda AFT conference in early March in case anybody wants to party and overthrow the bourgeoisie while i'm there
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Feb 23, 2024 23:44
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kingcobweb posted:are you a nurse or someone else? I am not a nurse. I believe we're classified as "Non-Professionals" lol
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Feb 26, 2024 15:59
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At the hospital where I work there's two unions, one for the nurses, and one for almost everyone else.
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Feb 26, 2024 16:20
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I'm organizing the professional unit at my hospital which includes many different positions with 4 year degrees: social workers, occupational therapists, chaplains, etc. the CNAs are in the support unit along with custodial and kitchen staff i believe. then there's a tech unit and i don't even know who's in there
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Feb 26, 2024 17:24
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War and Pieces posted:I am not a nurse. I believe we're classified as "Non-Professionals" lol get to know the nurses working on the organizing, convince them that a wall-to-wall union is the way to go (it is) and then organize your coworkers of course I think I’ve posted guides for that a bunch of times now
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Feb 26, 2024 17:42
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hailthefish posted:At the hospital where I work there's two unions, one for the nurses, and one for almost everyone else. This is what we're hoping for. Im in the trades btw
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Feb 26, 2024 17:59
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Lazy_Liberal posted:I'm organizing the professional unit at my hospital which includes many different positions with 4 year degrees: social workers, occupational therapists, chaplains, etc. the CNAs are in the support unit along with custodial and kitchen staff i believe. then there's a tech unit and i don't even know who's in there whats your opinion on the ONA?
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Feb 26, 2024 18:03
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$40m for UAW organizing! https://prospect.org/labor/2024-02-26-auto-workers-go-all-in/
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Feb 26, 2024 20:42
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War and Pieces posted:This is what we're hoping for. Im in the trades btw one big union is way more powerful than two small ones. with two, unless the contracts are lined up, the nurses will go on strike and everyone else is contractually forced to cross the picket line (or vice-versa).
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Feb 26, 2024 20:43
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Al! posted:whats your opinion on the ONA? not sure yet. the nurses here went on strike and got pretty active support from the community. apparently seiu tried organizing here a few times and it didn't get off the ground. the ona rep I'm working with is pretty chill at least! i should know a lot more about the greater organization in about two weeks
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Feb 26, 2024 22:46
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Lazy_Liberal posted:not sure yet. the nurses here went on strike and got pretty active support from the community. apparently seiu tried organizing here a few times and it didn't get off the ground. the ona rep I'm working with is pretty chill at least! i should know a lot more about the greater organization in about two weeks i like them because they wrestled i think Providence to the ground over their bullshit "accidental" wage theft when they moved to a new payroll system
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Feb 27, 2024 00:05
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providence hilariously has their anti-union healthstream trainings online and visible to all employees. how the heck do i upload images in 2024 edit: thank you       
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Feb 27, 2024 00:21
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Lazy_Liberal posted:providence hilariously has their anti-union healthstream trainings online and visible to all employees. how the heck do i upload images in 2024 loving lmao, i didnt know people used healthsteam for that. (fyi i use imgbb instead of imgur now) i personally despise healthstream and if i was negotiating a cba id require doubletime for any time wasted completing healthstreams. lets see what i have oh bariatric sensitivity training! theyd punch me in the face if i tried to move a patient and im not even bls certified
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Feb 27, 2024 00:41
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A fun article: https://defector.com/unions-can-fix-whats-broken
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Feb 27, 2024 17:09
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Kibner posted:A fun article: https://defector.com/unions-can-fix-whats-broken this is from the book i recommended you!!
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Feb 27, 2024 17:12
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kingcobweb posted:this is from the book i recommended you!! ! oh snap. i really need to get on that instead of futzing around with linux poo poo. lol
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Feb 27, 2024 17:19
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kingcobweb posted:this is from the book i recommended you!! lmfao
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Feb 27, 2024 17:25
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Lazy_Liberal posted:providence hilariously has their anti-union healthstream trainings online and visible to all employees. how the heck do i upload images in 2024  
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Feb 27, 2024 17:26
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even in those extremely generic lawyer-approved messages there's an outright lie (unions legally cannot use dues money for politicians)
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Feb 27, 2024 17:39
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yeah that’s why most unions have a separate ask for political action funds that are voluntary
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Feb 27, 2024 18:04
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kingcobweb posted:one big union is way more powerful than two small ones. with two, unless the contracts are lined up, the nurses will go on strike and everyone else is contractually forced to cross the picket line (or vice-versa). is it possible to bring this up at negotiations, the two units are already signing cards at this stage
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Feb 27, 2024 18:38
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You can definitely align contract dates during negotiations, and the sooner you lay the ground work of cooperation between the two units the better for coordinating bargaining strategies
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Feb 27, 2024 19:28
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War and Pieces posted:is it possible to bring this up at negotiations, the two units are already signing cards at this stage get a clause that union workers can choose not to cross a picket line (for "safety"). Teamsters will be familiar with this because it's in UPS contracts. also what In Training said. then, once you have a contract, make it a part of local culture that you DO NOT EVER CROSS A PICKET LINE
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Feb 27, 2024 19:41
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In Training posted:You can definitely align contract dates during negotiations, and the sooner you lay the ground work of cooperation between the two units the better for coordinating bargaining strategies I think this is the plan
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Feb 27, 2024 20:25
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Can I get a clause that Tradesmen have to be trained at their appropriate union halls?
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Feb 27, 2024 20:25
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You can ask/bargain for anything; employers are only OBLIGATED to bargain over wages/benefits/working conditions, as you may know i don't know the nuances of your situation, but... "have to be" will be hard language to get. An agreement to 'send any worker to union provided/organization training courses shall not be unreasonably denied,' now that you can do, with some work.
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Feb 27, 2024 20:35
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biased because this is my day job but this is legitimately GIGANTIC https://twitter.com/SBWorkersUnited/status/1762585193628803508
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Feb 27, 2024 22:08
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i must have missed this but is starbucks suing the union organizers for IP infringement? is there marketplace confusion where someone thinks theyre going to get a coffee and they walk into a union hall instead
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Feb 28, 2024 00:23
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Al! posted:i must have missed this but is starbucks suing the union organizers for IP infringement? is there marketplace confusion where someone thinks theyre going to get a coffee and they walk into a union hall instead it was after SBWU put out a pro-Palestine statement. SB sued to get the union to stop using the name “Starbucks” and the siren.
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Feb 28, 2024 01:12
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kingcobweb posted:it was after SBWU put out a pro-Palestine statement. SB sued to get the union to stop using the name “Starbucks” and the siren. are you loving kidding me lmao
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Feb 28, 2024 01:13
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More detail and analysis: https://prospect.org/labor/2024-02-27-starbucks-stops-opposing-baristas-union-master-contract/
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I've had a very Union day, and I'm tired and confused. Not sure if this is the place for it, but you lovely folks were very supportive when I posted a celebration of a union accomplishment a while back, so I'll give venting a bit a go. For context, I'm the steward for a small municipal union. Just the clerical workers in the town and the town library. I work in the library. The library director here wants to reclassify some specialist librarians here (youth services librarian, reference librarian) to pay them more in recognition of their supervisory duties which kind of accrued over time but aren't in their job description. So far so good, both positions are in our union, and it's just a request to pay them more basically. The library director submits this reclassification request to the town, which triggers an automatic meeting between the town and the union, so now the union board is informed of this situation. There are five people on the board, including myself. Two of them are as new as me and don't have much to say on this subject, so we have the union president and union secretary and me providing input on this situation. The union secretary's position is that the library workers are lazy and don't deserve anything and people who work at town hall handle things with real consequences, etc. She has said this to me (a library worker) privately and didn't even seem to think anything was wrong with saying it. When she presents elements of this view to the union president, the president rightfully says anyone's job can look like that from the outside and we shouldn't be going around judging. However, when I say "It's great that the library director is going to pay union employees more, we should support the library director," the union president says to me, "oh, we can't just agree to anything, it needs to be fair." She wants updated job descriptions (which is kind of fair), and comparative looks at how these positions are paid in other towns. When I ask, "Why, what difference would that make, what would we do if the library director wants to overpay these people? Would we, the union, ever oppose a pay increase for our members?" she says that we have to be fair to all our members. Why would it be fair for a union, any union, to oppose a pay increase for its members for any reason? I'm legitimately looking for any insight anyone might have as to what kind of obligations towards fairness a union has in principle. I can already see what's wrong with the Union president's position, but I want to understand how it could possibly be right so I can communicate more effectively with her. Nothing she's articulated has made any sense to me. ... Because I'm beginning to think this municipal clerical union isn't good at representing the library! I was given material by another library employee who's retiring who has looked into breaking away from our municipal union and joining a national union. If our municipal union is just following the lead of the one old-timer on the board who I know just does not respect the library, and they'll just oppose anything that "shows favoritism" to the library or anything like that, then I think it's might be worth revisiting those plans. If, however, I'm missing something about a union's obligations towards fairness among its members, then maybe I am really just seeing a small part of a bigger picture. I've been in meetings all day, talking to the Town Administrator, Union President, Library Director, and lastly one of the affected employees who aren't being paid for their work. I told my fellow worker that we were working on upgrading his position, but if it doesn't go through I'm pretty sure he has grounds for a grievance (I left out all the drama within the union). He looked pleasantly surprised and he really appreciated that I had his back. It made me glad I'm a union steward, though I'll be even more glad if I can make sure he's paid appropriately. I just wish the obstacles to better working conditions were obviously outside our union... Beyond my particular case, does anyone have experience with small unions, or unions that cover different categories of employees where the smaller groups interests aren't being represented?
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Feb 29, 2024 00:21
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i think the actual organizers itt can provide better clarity but theres no shame in breaking away to join a national
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Feb 29, 2024 00:30
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I think everything you've posted seems entirely reasonable (that you've thought/done, not their anti-worker bullshit). I would bring it to the members and have a meeting about what to do about it. Flipping over to another union is a pain in the rear end and the union you join might balk at "raiding" another union, but it's worth having a conversation about.
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I'm just a simple country electrician but in my union if the president or the secretary was opposing a brother or sister getting paid more they'd be out of the position so fast heads would spin. The contracts we negotiate are what makes things fair among members, if a contractor wants to go above and beyond and pay someone even more, nobody is going to say no. Making money is the point of work after all.
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