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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:it FEELS like a lot of striking workers have been settling early, to me without strike experience, banked resources, etc., it's easy to get scared when you're the ones actually out on strike, which makes it tempting to accept when you get a better offer than you originally expected even if it's not as good as you might be able to get with a longer strike. I feel like everybody has kinda internalized that long strikes are a big risk/reward tradeoff and they're scared of the strike collapsing and ending up worse off than they were when they started
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Alkydere posted:While, yes, bigger wins are indeed popular I'm just glad that there have been so many strikes and they've been winning as of late. It's getting into the public's mind that strikes can, and often will be won which is a major victory in and of itself. Yes, absolutely this. A win is a win, of course you can say a bigger win would be better but after decades of losing, organized labour getting a high-profile winning streak is huge.
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CoolCab posted:“We want to thank Jeff Bezos for going to space, because while he was up there we were organizing a union,” said ALU President Chris Smalls after official results were announced. This is a fantastic quote. Solidarity forever, I loving love it that there is now an Amazon union and I hope it's only the first step of many.
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christmas boots posted:Are there any examples of owners that have an amicable relationship with the unions that they work with? I understand that their class interests are diametrically opposed, and that probably answers that question, but it just seems like if you were trying to run a successful business there's actually a lot of things that unions bring to the table that would make that easier to do? Places in Europe where unionization is much more ingrained and affects the majority of the workforce often have shared governance models where unions have seats on the board and so on, and the relationship tends to be more amicable despite the opposed interests, if only because the unions are seen as an inevitable part of doing business rather than something that can always be crushed and destroyed. If you go into business decisions with the foundational assumption that your workers will be unionized rather than the foundational assumption that it's possible to have an entirely un-unionized workforce if you either crush unionization efforts or destroy existing unions, it leads to a different relationship between labour and capital even though labour and capital remain opposed aspects of the business.
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hell yeah gently caress em up kingcobweb ✊🏼
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kingcobweb posted:this is me. i'm the guy in the OP. verizon literally fired me for unionizing lol. tagging this photo "me" but irl not as a goof it's actually me that sucks dude but I have hope that your efforts will pay off and you destroy them in the end
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Apr 23, 2022 18:31
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AnimeIsTrash posted:https://twitter.com/jamieson/status/1558188599539032072?cxt=HHwWkICzidKR5p8rAAAA hell yeah
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hi people who frequent this thread, I am thinking about how we occasionally get complaints that cspam has too many stickied threads and how it might be nice to have room at the top of the forum to stick fun new threads temporarily. Do you think being stickied is good for this thread? Should it stay at the top of the list or should it surf the waves of poster interest like the rest of the forum?
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this is more or less what I expected on this thread's sticky status, but I wanted to ask instead of just assuming. I like this thread and I like it being stickied so it will stay where it is. Thanks!Zodium posted:this thread should remain stickied and whatever “fun new threads” the mods had on the powerpoint during the committee meeting this post was composed in should surf the waves of poster interest to be very clear, I don't mean mod threads and this wasn't some committee decision, I mean the way in some other SA subforums if somebody posts a good thread mods or IKs sometimes stick it for a week or two to give it some extra exposure
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kingcobweb posted:sbux is trying to pause all union elections lmao. they're running scared
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In Training posted:all very true, the difficulty of trying to impose workers' demands on international monopolies with limitless resources....the tactics would have to be pretty different, and different from region to region based on how many stores are already unionized + community sentiment and other ongoing labor activity. Yeah, I wonder about this too. If there's a lot of vertical integration within a company, a union that organized at multiple levels within the company's supply chain might have more leverage - if you can get the people who roast the Starbucks beans to strike, or the truck drivers who deliver supplies to the stores, that likely puts more pressure on the bottom line than the frontline workers striking. (I would imagine a similar thing with, for instance, the techs who maintain and repair Verizon infrastructure compared to the store workers) But I think part of the changes to firm structure in late capitalism protects firms against this kind of thing, because so many of those additional upstream and downstream functions are done by separate contractors to atomize the workforce and dilute bargaining power. If Starbucks doesn't roast its own beans or drive its own trucks, then organizing those workers in the same union as the frontline workers becomes more of a challenge, and as far as I know current labour law (at least in the US) makes sympathy strikes illegal so a coffee roasters or truck drivers union would be less inclined to support a frontline worker strike as a result.
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:^^^absolutely right^^^ This is also what makes a union resilient in the long run. If it's organized around and by a single driven leadership figure it's much more likely to be vulnerable if that person gets fired or moves or gets burned out or whatever. If it's organized around and by a lot of people each using their own strengths to further the cause in a small way, that's a much more diffuse and resilient structure.
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Tom Smykowski posted:Organizing never ends. Organize to form the union, organize to negotiate the contract, organize to enforce the contract, organize to negotiate the new contract, organize for union elections etc Yeah even if everyone is on board with the union right now, things change over time. People retire or get new jobs and new people come in, who may be less committed to the union. Contracts expire and need to be renegotiated. Contract violations need to be investigated and enforced. Management keeps trying to bust the union and you have to keep showing the members why maintaining it is essential. Organizing never ends.
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coming into the union organizing thread to tell people that unions are bad and customer service workers don't deserve to feed their families ftw
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PerniciousKnid posted:It's a fake post, nobody is actually this stupid. based on the angry PMs I got afterwards calling me a leftist coward for violating their free speech I'm not convinced
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AnimeIsTrash posted:thinking about unionizing the poop factory learn to commode
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Let's not go there please. for anybody in the US who hasn't seen it, there's a new front in anti-union warfare in Canada: the government of Ontario has passed legislation that overrules the constitutionally-protected right to strike to force a dogshit contract on already-severely-underpaid unionized education workers. This has never been done before and a whole lot of the province's unions are declaring sympathy strikes and other labour actions to try and oppose it. I haven't seen any numbers on it yet because it's all happened over the last few days, but it wouldn't surprise me if it's Canada's biggest coordinated labour action in decades. We'll see if it works, the government was reelected with a majority earlier this year and much of their base are rabidly anti-union so they may not think they have much to lose politically from taking as hard a line as possible against striking workers
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SKULL.GIF posted:https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/nov/03/ontario-doug-ford-strike-fine-bill-28-canada yeah it's really atrocious, the unions so far are basically ignoring it and hoping that a big enough labour action will force the government back to the table and probably make them retroactively waive fines like that, but technically speaking the way Canadian law works if the government wants to just enforce the law as they passed it with the massive fines or firing all the striking workers or beating their heads in with police clubs there's nothing stopping them, which means we may be entering a new era of labour militancy where the unions have to pay less attention to what the law permits them to do and more attention to what they can actually extract by force of withholding labour whether currently considered legal or not. At this point it's either that or capitulate completely to anti-union provincial leaders who smell blood in the water
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Bleu posted:It's an open-and-shut repeat of Bill 115 and will end the exact same way (Doug Ford crucified in court, ideally humiliated out of politics forever, banished to a dungheap in Sarnia). they lost the court case over Bill 115 because the court found that it violated the constitutional right to collective bargaining. The new bill invokes the notwithstanding clause so that that constitutional right doesn't apply.
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The premier is already backing down, offering to withdraw the bill that imposed a contract and banned strikes, if CUPE calls off the strike. We're in limbo right now waiting to see the offer in writing and see how the union leadership is going to respond.
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Nov 7, 2022 18:00
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kingcobweb posted:here's me. i'm the guy in the OP. https://cwa-union.org/news/releases/nlrb-alleges-verizon-violated-law-illegally-fired-worker-engaging-union-activity drat dude, glad to hear you might get your job back after all this, and it's great to see the NLRB taking your side. I know it's a slim hope, but I hope Verizon don't drag it out with yet more bullshit
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Nov 7, 2022 19:29
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kingcobweb posted:unless the higher court decides not to hear their appeal (unlikely) this will still take years yeah that's what I figured, but still nice to see one step in the right direction
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Nov 7, 2022 19:51
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Shear Modulus posted:tag urself im M-Overweight I'm P-Will Keep because I like the idea of the UPS guy just going "Nah, gonna keep this one, P"
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I remember back when we were told Marty Walsh would be a good Secretary of Labor because he had been a union official before becoming mayor of Boston and appointing a former union leader Secretary of Labor proved that Biden would be a pro-union president, and now here we are.
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The UK has reached the striking is unpatriotic and pro-Russian stage of anti-worker insanity.
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Geight posted:Hello organizing goons! I just wanted to swing by again and mention that my cafe filed to unionize this weekend and thank yall for the good advice helping us get back up on our feet after getting busted last time. I hope the next time I post in here it is with news of a successful election! That's awesome, great job and good luck!
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Dec 12, 2022 12:54
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There are definitely unions that use "association" to describe themselves. The official name of the organization matters much less than its social and legal function. If it organizes collective bargaining on behalf of the workers, it's a union.
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Dec 15, 2022 23:22
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Geight posted:Hello fellow union goons, happy to report that our store won its vote today 18-1 today so we're a union coffee shop now! Great work, congratulations!
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pogi posted:like a thousand+ people signed this thing and a hundred people came up and helped pin it to the wall outside management’s office martin luther style. it’s like 3’x10’, seriously impressive in person. definitely built up energy for the strike we’re gearing up for, and a few of the admin types that stumbled up on us in the middle of it were visibly shook. That's amazing, well done!
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kingcobweb posted:I have actual genuine for real no-poo poo That's incredible!! Congratulations! 
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https://twitter.com/alexnpress/status/1641228310792249346 cool, almost like different kinds of workers have different strengths and solidarity across industry lines leads to a more powerful labour movement
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Geight posted:Because the deck is so heavily stacked against the worker I know it takes a long time for the material benefits of organizing and unionization to roll in, but I've been helping other cafes organize and hearing one of em is ready to file soon is just a fantastic feeling. I know it's just vibes, but at least it's good vibes. That's fantastic, good for you for putting in that work. It is always a long, hard struggle but seeing it pay off at the end is so worth it.
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Bird Union rules
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8-1 jfc
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