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capitalism is grinding us all into dust, and the best way we can fight against it is using our power that we have as workers to extract more resources and power from our employers. how do you build power in a workplace? you organize. here's a guide i wrote previously, wow look at how genius it is how i'm basically just taking the work of other people before me:quote:How do I organize my workplace? edit: DSA and some unions collaborated on this how-to guide (PDF link). kingcobweb has issued a correction as of 22:57 on Jun 13, 2021 |
# ¿ Jan 9, 2020 03:22 |
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# ¿ May 9, 2024 03:31 |
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apropos to nothing posted:when you talk to people ask them what they like about their job too. people will often be turned off if youre the person who is seen as constantly complaining and negative. asking people both what they like and what they dont like means you can frame organizing in a less nebulous way and more of a way to make work better by enhancing the positives and reducing the negatives. this is all great advice, at DSA we had a presentation from someone who worked at UPS and organized his workplace (despite his union rather than because of it) and something he emphasized was to be a good worker, to make yourself indispensable this does multiple things:
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# ¿ Jan 9, 2020 03:38 |
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Lightning Knight posted:I also work for UPS and would like to hear more about this. I remember more about the tactics and the result than the actual issues they were organizing around, so I apologize for that. The workers in question were order picks, iirc, but might have been some other jobs. So they were putting packages on a conveyer belt and... some other things From what I remember, one of the issues was at breaks- that the workers had no input on when their breaks were, so they were going long times without breaks and then some people were taking breaks just barely before the end of their shift, so it barely mattered that they had the break at all The organizer tried to go through the union to fix this, filed grievances, but nothing happened. It was a classic case of an old-school union that was clogged with bureaucracy. So what did he do? Organize! He was a good worker and people respected him in his workplace, and everyone else (even the politically conservative) were pissed off Jobs like UPS have big advantages for people who want to organize: their massive number of rules. So his tactic was one of malicious compliance. As you probably know, UPS has a rule for order pickers to do a "six sided check" of all packages; basically making sure it's not damaged on any part of the package. So, when the manager denied them a break that they wanted to take, he would call out "six sided check" to initiate a work slowdown: all the order pickers would look at each side of every package for a second or two before putting it on the belt. Envelopes have six sides, too, of course. At one point, his manager got so mad at this that he pushed one of the order pickers aside and started moving the packages onto the belt himself. This is, of course, a serious violation of many rules; the Teamsters would consider it non-union workers doing union work, and he was violating safety regulations in how he was doing it. So the organizer baited the manager into doing things that he could file a very serious grievance about and get that manager chewed out. The organizer wasn't trying to make things difficult for the shift that took over after his: if the next shift started and there was a huge backlog of stuff for them to do, that shift would understandably go "wghat the gently caress" and be pissed off. So he used his workplace connections to have one-on-ones with shift leaders there and let them know about the issues and get them onboard with doing the same thing. Eventually, the management gave in, and let them choose when to take their breaks. So the end result was that the workers would democratically choose when to go on break: if there was only an hour left of packages, but their break was scheduled, they'd take a vote of whether they wanted to work through it and get 15m paid at the end of the shift, or take a break right then. Workers who were new transfers would be absolutely blown away at how they had an actual say in how their workplace functioned. Worker organizing gets the goods!
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# ¿ Jan 13, 2020 20:01 |
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Squizzle posted:lets give it a sticky for a week and see what happens oh poo poo was not expecting this for a thread that didn't take off, thanks!
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# ¿ May 15, 2020 21:34 |
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i don't have the job any more so i don't have to be cagey about it now: i was working for the Nevada State Democratic Party and unsuccessfully tried to unionize it with Campaign Workers Guild. it wasn't many people, just 10-15 or so depending on exactly when, but it was always within 1-2 auth cards of going through. what i learned is that until someone signs the loving card everything they say doesn't mean poo poo. there was a time that i actually thought we HAD IT until someone went back on their promise to sign on if they would have the deciding vote. if it was just the people in Vegas it would have gone through no problem, but people up in Reno were 1/3 of the people employed by the party and i couldn't get a single one of them to sign on.
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# ¿ May 15, 2020 21:36 |
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dex_sda posted:Question about how to approach people in my profession (comp toucher), but I guess more broadly antagonistic-to-union people. It's a question that's been bothering me - I do work for my local unionizing organizations but unionizing in my own workplace has been difficult. it sounds like you’re approaching this with the mindset that forming a union is the only end goal. it shouldn’t be the only goal, and it’s not even an end in itself- it’s a way to get more power at work, but there’s things to do before and after instead of talking “we need a union” with anti-union stuff, talk about actions you CAN take that would be helpful and possible. what sorts of issues are you having?
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# ¿ May 15, 2020 23:26 |
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dex_sda posted:It's kind of back in the past - I switched jobs since - but the issues that were happening were general abuse of workers that didn't agree with the manager; a disregard for our work-life balance, and most importantly, to drive profits up, an actual order to commit a crime. Obviously I can't divulge details, but it was severe stuff. what I would have tried to do in that situation is direct those meetings (which are already a great first step) toward action, even if people won’t get along with a union. direct people toward: “okay, what’s the best way to fix this?” would a walkout be effective? maybe a letter to the CEO? refusal to work in ways that violate rules? say that you won’t obey an order unless it’s given to you in writing to force them to have written evidence they’re ordering a crime? etc etc while those meetings might have ended up just being an airing of grievances, those are actually a big, important step: they show that people are willing to set something up outside of work to talk about it. you just need to add actions to that structure.
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# ¿ May 15, 2020 23:45 |
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Finicums Wake posted:i'm talking to a good friend in the service industry (salons) in Texas, and they're trying to organize their workplace. please contact me if you can help them, and i'll put you in contact with them What kind of help do they need?
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# ¿ May 21, 2020 07:15 |
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the aclu is very against the U part. https://twitter.com/ACLUKSUnited/status/1278450717972365312 https://twitter.com/ACLUKSUnited/status/1278450721713725441
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# ¿ Jul 10, 2020 00:32 |
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Percelus posted:amazon over hires and then makes workers fight everyday at 6:15 for a handful of shifts that get gobbled up in seconds, i think they do this to create animosity and division and it works i didn't know they did that, it sounds like the old days of showing up to the docks and some guy yells out who's working that day
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# ¿ Jul 10, 2020 04:47 |
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kingcobweb posted:the aclu is very against the U part. update: aclu went back on hiring the union busting law firm woooo
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# ¿ Jul 10, 2020 04:47 |
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someone bumped my other, worse thread about organizing so i'm bumping this one instead. ORGANIZE YOUR WORKPLACE. someone talk about their workplace so this isn't just me talking to myself just read mcalevey's memoir and it was an excellent, inspiring story that also shows the weaknesses of unions like the SEIU and NNU, check it out
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# ¿ Sep 15, 2020 19:15 |
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huge congrats JAY ZERO- definitely understand not being able to go into specifics, but be sure to keep this energy/organization going through the contract negotiations, and afterward. if the company knows that the workers are informed about how the contract negotiations are going and willing to take action to help, that’s really important.
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# ¿ Sep 16, 2020 18:07 |
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good example of an escalation when your boss doesn't voluntarily recognize your union: letter signed by 100% of the bargaining unit also a good sign that more white-collar workers are showing up to a job that was just invented and immediately unionizing it. gives the company less of a chance to establish a non-union "culture". tell yr rich tech bro friends about unions and how they should start one as soon as a company forms a new unit https://twitter.com/ParcastUnion/status/1305944584460144646
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# ¿ Sep 17, 2020 17:59 |
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Lovelyn posted:Does anyone have experience with pushing an existing union farther left? Setting is healthcare, so think SEIU or WSNA. check out these books: Strike For America, about the CTU and the caucus within that union to push it to left/being more effective. this is short, like 100 pages, so you could read a pdf pretty easily Raising Expectations and Raising Hell, memoir by McAlevey about being within the SEIU organizing health care workers I don’t have direct experience but those books should point the way!!
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# ¿ Sep 20, 2020 23:33 |
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LordoftheScheisse posted:Can you expand on this? There are some workplaces where people one rung from the bottom are in the union- for example, in the bernie campaign, field organizers and their direct managers, regional field organizers, were in the union. The only hard and fast rule is that no one can be in the union who has hiring/firing power over anyone else. At the nevada dems, the union person from Campaign Workers Guild I was in contact with, when I asked about people higher up, basically turned it around and asked "well, do y'all want them in the union? Do you see that guy as 'one of us' or as acting on behalf of the higher ups?" But at a super early stage like you're at, you don't have to worry about the dynamic of wanting to be in the union but your employer saying that you shouldn't be allowed in it (this would happen; employers often argue for fewer people in the union, this was what the democratic party in another state was saying in response to a unionization drive that included regional field directors). You can still lay the basic ground work of organizing: getting people together, hearing each other out, taking first steps. So what you can do is that: just get people together in a slack/discord/etc where you can all discuss stuff, and then talk about actions you can take collectively, including unionizing.
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# ¿ Sep 23, 2020 07:33 |
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Blind Pineapple posted:This seems like the perfect thread to ask if anyone else is trying to negotiate a contract right now and what to expect. This is probably something your union needs to escalate- NLRB filings of bad faith negotiating etc etc (which will probably go nowhere because the NLRB has trump's anti-worker appointees). What you can do is go back to those same workers you helped organize in the first place and re-organize them, basically saying "our job isn't over, we need to escalate this." Talk to your union rep about ideas, so they're not out of nowhere, but you can do things like a sign in your workplace with a running tally of days since negotiations start, wearing pro-union stickers, etc. (These "sticker-ups", as McAlevey calls them, need to be a show of force for your union, so make sure you can get 90%+ of your workplace wearing them or it'll be a show of weakness instead.) Contact your city council members, state reps, your House rep, senators, etc (let your union rep know you're doing this of course) and try to pressure the company that way. Basically: your goal, as a worker, should be to let the company know that workers are absolutely aware of their stalling tactics, and that you're not going to take it, and you're willing to let everyone know about it. Let us know if there's something we can help amplify on social media to pressure the company. edit: again, McAlevey books are great sources of inspiration for what you can do in an actual workplace to help a contract negotiation.
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# ¿ Sep 23, 2020 23:22 |
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One more thing: unless you're non-US, you probably need to negotiate a first contract within a year of officially unionizing, so that's what the company is trying to hit.
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# ¿ Sep 23, 2020 23:22 |
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LordoftheScheisse posted:I 100% do not have the power to fire, but I do conduct interviews and "make recommendations" to HR for hiring. Am I cool? pretty sure you’re good as long as it’s not Your Decision who you’re hire, but I’m not a lawyer
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# ¿ Sep 24, 2020 03:33 |
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oh HELL yeah
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# ¿ Sep 24, 2020 22:53 |
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important piece about how to not get caught while organizing https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/y3md3v/how-to-organize-your-workplace-without-getting-caught
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# ¿ Sep 26, 2020 03:23 |
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this serves as a good reminder that unless you have a union contract, companies can just decide to fire you at any time for any reason https://twitter.com/bfnewsunion/status/1316409289444151304
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# ¿ Oct 14, 2020 19:09 |
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Tom Smykowski posted:Thanks for the McAlevey book rec. It's been super helpful in working in my already established workplace union nice- what are you your key takeaways that you're putting to use?
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# ¿ Oct 20, 2020 23:27 |
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PhilippAchtel posted:From the Latin America thread: big unions are going to be exactly as radical as demanded by their members. if members don't do poo poo and just sit around until the union comes to them and tells them "hey we need you to picket" or whatever, they'll continue on as they have for decades (that is, decline). so the answer is in two parts
it's an important part of building a new left infrastructure in the country. the good part is that it can build on top of DSA and other things, if every DSA chapter starts doing workplace organizing trainings etc.
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# ¿ Oct 21, 2020 07:29 |
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Finicums Wake posted:wonder how many of the Q anon candidates are going to win going to make sense of this post being itt by saying that prop 22 is a qanon thing.
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# ¿ Nov 4, 2020 19:25 |
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apropos to nothing posted:personally feel like this thread should be permanently stickied to the top of the sub forum but i also understand that its filled with valuable information, anecdotes, resources, etc. so can understand if the IKs feel like it's more important to hide it and make sure no one sees it if it’s not stickied it gives us an excuse to continuously bump the thread. and hell I love posting
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# ¿ Dec 18, 2020 19:25 |
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Coatlicue posted:Ok so I have a salient question. If my company is not US owned can I even do this? ownership of the company doesn’t matter at all non-citizens can and should be in unions, the company will try to intimidate them about their immigration status if there’s a union drive which is Very Illegal but happens anyway think about a place like Vegas, which has a ton of service unions and workers from every country on earth
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# ¿ Dec 28, 2020 03:16 |
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Coatlicue posted:So anything I can do in that case? Warn the non-citizens and document, document, document?
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# ¿ Dec 28, 2020 03:35 |
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huge news, Google has a union now: https://inthesetimes.com/article/google-workers-alphabet-union-cwa
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# ¿ Jan 4, 2021 18:23 |
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JAY ZERO SUM GAME posted:this is, of course, good yeah it’s tough. they seem to be forced into doing something like this by lovely anti-worker laws that stop contractors from collective bargaining. if someone is an engineer making $150k, you don’t have to be an anti-union ideologue to reasonably ask “what are you gonna do for me that’s worth $1500 a year?” it’ll really be up to the organizers CWA has on the ground, and their whole team, to show that they can do something even without a CBA. Google had a good culture of organizing walkouts and other actions, though, so I hope that can be enhanced by CWA’s open involvement.
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# ¿ Jan 4, 2021 23:30 |
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I know that Twitter isn’t political action but be sure to amplify them on social media, especially if you work in tech or have Googler friends https://mobile.twitter.com/AlphabetWorkers/status/1346229430906048518 edit: oh this is a really good explainer https://collectiveaction.tech/2021/the-abcs-of-googles-new-union/ kingcobweb has issued a correction as of 00:17 on Jan 5, 2021 |
# ¿ Jan 5, 2021 00:09 |
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mrmcd posted:Some of the coverage I saw today said they were going to focus on "supporting employee activism". If they aren't trying to win collective bargaining etc then it sounds like you're giving 1% of your pay for a social club that writes medium posts about how execs are shitheads in the hopes it hurts their feelings or something and the Verge gives them a high five. it makes it substantially harder to fire a worker for activism if that worker is doing their activism while in a union, especially when that union would LOVE to make a massive court case out of getting a wrongfully-terminated worker reinstated they’re paying dues so that cwa can send professional organizers there
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# ¿ Jan 5, 2021 05:24 |
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In Training posted:updating my situation, our workplace is starting to sign cards and we have enough people indicating they'd vote yes that our unionization is likely to pass when a vote gets scheduled. this is very exciting stuff, it feels a little unreal that just months ago this was idle chatter among friends!! i can't wait to start the bargaining process and get some real protections in place...thanks again to this thread for being a great resource, and I'll keep posting once our vote is done to share the good news. hell yeah!!! super happy that the thread could provide some sort of resource
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# ¿ Jan 11, 2021 07:04 |
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more fun union busting from a "progressive" organization https://inthesetimes.com/article/animal-legal-defense-fund-busting-union-labor
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# ¿ Jan 14, 2021 20:15 |
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if the alphabet union is going to be so ineffective, then why is this rear end in a top hat in the wall street journal so angry about it? checkmate
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# ¿ Jan 15, 2021 03:53 |
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send your prayers to Amazon warehouse workers in Alabama https://www.npr.org/2021/01/15/948819324/amazon-warehouse-workers-to-decide-whether-to-form-companys-first-u-s-union
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# ¿ Jan 15, 2021 23:11 |
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Dr Pepper posted:Wanna bet they try and just shut down every single warehouse in Alabama. that would probably cost them too much. they’ve started a slick anti-union campaign: https://www.doitwithoutdues.com/ it even has a contact form on it. how helpful!
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# ¿ Jan 17, 2021 18:38 |
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side_burned posted:What are people's opinion on joining the IWW to just be in an union and have some type connection that can inform me about opportunities to volunteer and help other works to try and organize. I don't anticipate my coworkers trying unionizing anytime soon mainly because we are actually relatively compensated and moving forward my coworkers will likely be working from home even after the pandemic. I don't have experience directly with the IWW, but it sounds like you're just looking for DSA.
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# ¿ Jan 18, 2021 21:50 |
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side_burned posted:I already joined DSA. i'm just not seeing what you want IWW to do that DSA can't do, with more membership to do it.
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# ¿ Jan 19, 2021 00:49 |
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# ¿ May 9, 2024 03:31 |
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genuinely good union news: biden firing anti-worker rear end in a top hat lawyer peter robb is a victory for peter's sworn mortal enemy, champion of the people scabby the rat
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# ¿ Jan 22, 2021 19:55 |