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JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
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every company says poo poo like that

it would require the union agreeing to that in a contract

it would never happen

in an absolute worst case, Amazon could demand to the end through any job actions, etc. that they would no longer provide anything beyond the minimum health insurance required by law, and the u ion would never agree to it and there would never be a contract, but status quo rules would prevent them from actually changing anything

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JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
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even with a union in place, Amazon still has to hire and retain workers, and that healthcare is a big way they do it

the public relations fallout would be massive as well

they would never get of it. it’s posturing and pure power politics

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
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make it a party out there, fuckin a

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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Justin Credible posted:

Lmao. My company's last best offer is 4% raise. Where the median where I live is 5-7/hr above their offer, which is also close to the averages for my sort of work in my state.

They already have scabs they flew in from out of state, enough to replace us all, and are currently paying them a fixed rate for 3 months no matter what happens. Assumedly putting them up in a hotel too. And are winding up to eat huge fines from their customers for lost production.

All of these measures are far more expensive than just giving us a 4-5k/yr raise. Oh and the CEO is a Christian too of course. But we are just scum to be hated.

This isn't intimidating anyone here and is just making us more amped to strike. I love it.
If you end up with a strike fund or whatever, post it

gently caress them boys

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
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the New Yorker union has a strike issue coming out soon, and it’s gonna be real good

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
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gently caress federal mediators though

reneg and say ‘welp, now we do it our way’

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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poop on someone’s doorstep

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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yeah sorry I wasn’t thinking big enough

go get em

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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In Training posted:

we won our vote today :) onward to the contract
hell yeah, congrats

now gently caress em up

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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bought kettle chips today because of that

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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apparently he’s a comedian and not a shop steward :(

still funny, and instructive

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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:toot:

It’s everyone eligible who isn’t already with operating engineers

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/30/arts/design/guggenheim-museum-curators-union.html

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

Walter.
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the most important thing is getting that press release, with that language, to use in another election campaign. it’ll be a part of every conversation with unit members from now on

still a lot of work to be done

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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it owns

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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kingcobweb posted:

This is hyper-local Seattle poo poo but the coolest bookstore in the city has an INDEPENDENT union that successfully ratified a contract

https://twitter.com/book_workers/status/1425837181403230211

that's impressive

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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woah, ty, I’m out and heaven hill is my stuff

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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it’s good they got some improvement

but I wouldn’t be thrilled

I don’t work there though, so who knows



contract negotiations are so much harder than anyone on the outside ever knows; getting anything is always a win. it’s a poo poo thing, but the way it is, for now

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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cool, get paid

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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get loving PAID

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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kingcobweb posted:

this is interesting- Amazon workers in Staten Island filing to form an indie union. It’ll be tough to have the bankroll to fight Amazon’s union busting but if it works that’s incredible https://text.npr.org/1048956134
theyve been doing it very publicly too

i don't know about their success, but chris smalls is the ultimate guy with a vendetta after being fired

...it's also been interesting to watch the labor media's interaction with him and their organizers. it's basically non-existent, and it feels like people don't want to engage with him

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:

there’s absolutely a concerted effort by capital to defy labor even when it makes no economic sense to do so, because they’re afraid of ceding any power at all.
we ran into this during our contract negotiations.

the local made union healthcare exactly cost neutral to the museum, offering to pay more of the premiums than they normally would

the museum still refused, because it meant everyone (other employees, other institutions, the public, everyone) knowing that the union was giving their employees a better deal

their attorney was telling them that if they could keep health insurance out of the contract, they could hold on hope of breaking the union someday, but that if union employees got union healthcare, there would be no getting rid of the union

it was a material improvement to peoples’ lives, cost neutral to the museum, and would have meant people were healthier and more able to work, and they still fought us on union health insurance

they lost of course

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:

Wow that contract offered the pension staying as well as a pretty sizeable raise iirc. They're really going for broke

it's so cool

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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what’s this about JD now claiming their last offer was actually the last, final, and best? bargaining committee is saying they weren’t told that

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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I’ve wondered what it’s like to organize with IWW, if it’s any different at all

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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gonna be some hard contracts

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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it works

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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it FEELS like a lot of striking workers have been settling early, to me

i mean it's hard going without pay, of course. tough all around

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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yeah i hear you

lots of locals don't have strike funds, for various reasons. not always monetary

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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I agree, you’re right.

I have a bit of a tendency always push for more more more, and I sometimes don’t see the victories for what they are

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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organizing will destroy your personal life, and that’s just as one of the main people on an OC/bargaining committee

doing that over and over again??? I have a lot of respect for the organizers at my local, and especially the one we worked with. it’s brutal

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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hell yeah

columbia tried everything, threatening scabs, claiming picketers were assaulting people, etc

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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the remaining 100+ professional staff at AMNH filed for an election last week too

the Jewish Museum did a few weeks ago

More will follow

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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As far as difficulty in organizing, starbucks stores are pretty ripe

small groups, but tend to remain employed for a while, GENERALLY progressive, and underpaid/exploited, and the larger company has fantastic piles of cash

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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real interested in the Staten Island election, since the workers there are trying to organize without an established local

here’s an article on the AMNH and their union busting

https://hyperallergic.com/708522/nearly-200-american-museum-of-natural-history-workers-move-to-unionize/

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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ALU has successfully filed for an election at another amazon warehouse, too

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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here's the filing

https://twitter.com/UnionElections/status/1489664208065253385?s=20&t=aCTohSwJLgtDfxKJlwtOxQ

pretty crazy, again, they're doing this without a larger local, forming their own, new, union

it's hard, but if they can do it...

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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i just sat through a union busting zoom call with an employer

the only people that showed up were organizing committee members

lol

JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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starbucks has a big legal department and budget, but i'm not so sure this one's gonna work out for em

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JAY ZERO SUM GAME
Oct 18, 2005

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I can’t decide how to feel about that, mostly not good; I also don’t think the law will be kind to that effort

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