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Hirayuki posted:It's Eblan(a), not Elban(a). There are even on-screen labels! Vanilla FF4 is one of my favorites. It's such an odd and experimental thing at times given it was the first SNES FF game, but it's really well designed and great to play. The randomizer's a ton of fun but if you've got the itch to play the original, I say go for it!
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Hirayuki posted:It's Eblan(a), not Elban(a). There are even on-screen labels! Okay, Hermione... ....but seriously, I never actually realized that. I played the ever-loving crap out of this when I was little, and I thought that's what it said, and I haven't really looked at the labels since. I'm sure there's plenty of other stuff I'm mispronouncing, too. I'm running off of "Idiot kid from 1992" dialect on this one  Hirayuki posted:Thanks for this playthrough; FFIV was my first FF and is probably still my favorite, warts and all. It's what inspired me to become a translator (surprisingly, not because of the wonky translation) and sparked my dream of working for Square Enix, which did eventually come true. I'm torn now between playing my own randomized game and just playing the vanilla game through yet again; the more I see of your playthrough, though, the closer I inch to a random run. That's a pretty awesome progression! I would also recommend going for a random run. The guys working on this have pretty much created a whole new experience for this. Mind you, the plot is toast in this version, but it adds a whole bunch of new challenges to the game. We'll be exploring more of those options in later runs with this thread. ChrisBTY posted:Isn't Tellah the black olive in the randomizer rather than Edward? That depends. If you find a place to get Soma Drops (a J-item), you can boost his MP that way. He's not great either way, but he's at least flexible in his usage and helpful early on if you end up with a party of physical attackers.
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PotatoManJack posted:Just caught up on the videos. Yang's wife handing you the package was priceless. ....then the randomized package sprite being, in fact, big balls. Who knew Yang was into that (nothing wrong with it, mind you)?
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If I remember what I heard elsewhere, Bad Breath has one trick to defeat it. It attempts to lay everything on you at once. But if you have immunity to one, you have immunity to the whole attack. I think Ruby Rings prevent Piggy status right?
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I looked up the effect of Cry on a Japanese wiki. The original battle message mentioned confusing the enemy, but the wiki notes that they don't seem to be Confused (with a capital C: fighting one another). A strategy guide suggests it unsettles the enemy so they're more likely to run; not only does this seem to be false, it doesn't make it easier for you to run, either. There's a theory that it temporarily lowers the enemy level, in effect, which would make them more likely to run, but since enemies don't flee when there's a big level gap between the two sides, the author suspects that the mention of getting confused/flustered may be a relic of a feature that went unused in the end. Or it's there to carry on the tradition of Fear and Scare in earlier FF titles, if in name only. The wiki then mentions a site that took a deep dive into the SFC game's code. There they discovered that Cry slightly increases the success rate of Edge's Steal command. There's a hidden parameter used only during battle that's set to [level + 10] for each enemy at battle start. Using Cry lowers this parameter by 5 and makes Steal 5 percent more likely to succeed. (The base success rate for Steal is [(Edge's level + 50 - target's hidden parameter value) / 99].) The kicker? There's no way for both Porom and Edge to be in the same party in old-school vanilla FFIV. 
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Hirayuki posted:I looked up the effect of Cry on a Japanese wiki. The original battle message mentioned confusing the enemy, but the wiki notes that they don't seem to be Confused (with a capital C: fighting one another). A strategy guide suggests it unsettles the enemy so they're more likely to run; not only does this seem to be false, it doesn't make it easier for you to run, either. There's a theory that it temporarily lowers the enemy level, in effect, which would make them more likely to run, but since enemies don't flee when there's a big level gap between the two sides, the author suspects that the mention of getting confused/flustered may be a relic of a feature that went unused in the end. Or it's there to carry on the tradition of Fear and Scare in earlier FF titles, if in name only. Well, drat. I would think that its a leftover from the NES FF games where you could get enemies to run from you. ...which leads into a really comical ending for the original game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTOUOeec4Qc&t=4765s Granted, its a TAS, so not something that's really feasible in real time. Still funny to consider, though. Professor Duck fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Jan 25, 2020 |
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Hirayuki posted:The kicker? There's no way for both Porom and Edge to be in the same party in old-school vanilla FFIV. 
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FeyerbrandX posted:If I remember what I heard elsewhere, Bad Breath has one trick to defeat it. It attempts to lay everything on you at once. But if you have immunity to one, you have immunity to the whole attack. I think Ruby Rings prevent Piggy status right?  Here's one WEIRD TRICK for bad breath! Molbols HATE it! ...and yes, being immune to one of the conditions (confuse, toad, mini, pig, blind, silence) makes the attack miss.
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FIND ALL THE EDWARDS! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfGxySgtK4Q Excuse me being dumb in the front (nothing new there  )--I forgot the fact that you get 2 key items from the underground tower, and not one from the giant. We get it figured out eventually!We'll be finishing out our first run here next episode. Our next one will involve some kind of alternative ending criteria. That's where you come in. We want you to vote on which criteria we select. For our purposes here, we'll be limiting it to the big 4 objectives at the top of the page (you can see the page for yourself here: http://ff4fe.com/make Forge the Crystal, where we need to bring the Adamant and Legend sword to the Underground. Instead of forging the Excalibur, like normak, Kokkol makes the Crystal Giant%, where the game ends upon finishing the Giant of Bab-il Fiends%, where the game ends upon being all of the Elementals (BOTH Milon and Milon Z, Kainazzo, Valvalis, Rubicant, & The 4 Fiends combined fight). Of course, their locations will be randomized in this.... Dark Matter Hunt, where we would need to find 30 our of 45 pieces of Dark Matter scattered in chests around the game world. You also may vote for ONE other custom flag to include in the run. Look at the link given above for all of the options you have. be sure to BOLD and choices, and voting will close Jan. 31st
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I think Fiends% that way we get the most of that music.
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Dark Matter Hunt Cstart:rydia Start with Rydia. Do it.
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FeyerbrandX posted:I think Fiends% that way we get the most of that music. I really can’t fault that logic. Related note (vaguely  at times) :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8vz186pjY0
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FeyerbrandX posted:I think Fiends% that way we get the most of that music. After all these years, still one of the best pieces from a FF game ever!
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Fiends% with Cstart:fusoya but not his vanilla behavior. One wizard(and friends)'s quest to regain his lost spells and conquer the Fiends.
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Fiends%. Does that also include the 4 fiends rematch fight? Also, growing up, I always thought Vavalis's tornado had two large eyes staring out of the tornado, and only recently realized it was her head and shoulder that I was seeing.
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Randalor posted:Fiends%. Does that also include the 4 fiends rematch fight? It does. There are 6 fights in total to clear it: Both forms of Milon, the rest, and all 4 together.
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Randalor posted:Also, growing up, I always thought Vavalis's tornado had two large eyes staring out of the tornado, and only recently realized it was her head and shoulder that I was seeing. I know this is correct but i refuse to live in a world where Valvalis doesn't turn into a cartoon Tasmanian Devil whirlwind with googly eyes
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Forge the Crystal PChests Say his name right: Sess-ul, not Cease-ul.
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Kheldarn posted:Say his name right: Sess-ul, not Cease-ul. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgh59Bdckj8
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Also: You two have some of the absolute worst, most horrendous, terrible jokes in your videos. NEVER STOP MAKING THEM! KEEP THEM COMING!  Hirayuki posted:I mean, there was "Beanie and Cecil" where it's pronounced CEASE-uhl; it's an acceptable pronunciation. (But it's SESS-uhl per the Japanese. And RID-ee-uh.) FF4 DS straight up calls him SESS-uhl: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXIlo-ExhH8&t=91s
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Kheldarn posted:Also: You two have some of the absolute worst, most horrendous, terrible jokes in your videos. Us? Make bad jokes? Never! Glad you enjoy our...uh...unique sense of humor!
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I won't lie, I am surprised that you didn't take three Edwards and name them Ed, Edd and Eddy.
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Randalor posted:I won't lie, I am surprised that you didn't take three Edwards and name them Ed, Edd and Eddy. Well poo poo, I think we know our plan for the all Edward run at least. Actually, how many characters get unlocked in a given run? That’s potentially an entire jazz bad worth of bards right there.
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Dewgy posted:Well poo poo, I think we know our plan for the all Edward run at least. There are 18 characters to recruit (including the first two you're given)
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Fiends%, Crelaxed/only:palom,porom Twins only, Fiends %. It'll be a hoot.
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Bargain bin Laden posted:Fiends%, Crelaxed/only:palom,porom And potentially literally impossible depending on which spot Valvalis is in.
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ZiegeDame posted:And potentially literally impossible depending on which spot Valvalis is in. It seems like it's pretty easy to miss characters entirely in this mod, so is she doable realistically in a Kainless run with other characters?
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Schwartzcough posted:It seems like it's pretty easy to miss characters entirely in this mod, so is she doable realistically in a Kainless run with other characters? Absolutely. I don't know the exact changes made but I've had plenty of Kainless runs with a required Valvalis.
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ZiegeDame posted:And potentially literally impossible depending on which spot Valvalis is in. nah you can level over her evade if need be- it's actually generally safer to keep her in the spin in certain high-physical-attack spots because her counter after being knocked out of the spin can be brutal
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Schwartzcough posted:It seems like it's pretty easy to miss characters entirely in this mod, so is she doable realistically in a Kainless run with other characters? Physical attacks are still perfectly capable of hurting her while she's spinning, especially coming from a good fighter in the middle spot, or even Rosa using Aim. Meanwhile, most magic attacks at a reasonable level will be completely unable to penetrate her sky-high magic evade, though there are some boss spots with such low magic defense it doesn't matter. Conversely if she winds up somewhere like Cave Magnes, I'm not sure any (reasonable) amount of grinding will allow Palom to kill her.
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Palom can use bows e: also nuke can crack the mdef at dark elf neongrey fucked around with this message at 09:02 on Jan 30, 2020 |
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Definitely some consideration for Dewgy and I for the upcoming run, since I can't really do all 3 optional flags (can't specify 2 starting characters, and the Twins run wouldn't really fit using any of the suggested starts). I WILL be setting a PermaDeath flag, though, so maybe that'll make up for it? Anyway, join us for THE END of run #1! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDEpMx7X-0k
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Professor Duck posted:I WILL be setting a PermaDeath flag, though, so maybe that'll make up for it? 
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All that worry about getting Summons, and then you didn't cast a single summon the entire playthrough. Haha, you are a true MP hoarder.
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Schwartzcough posted:All that worry about getting Summons, and then you didn't cast a single summon the entire playthrough. Haha, you are a true MP hoarder. Yep, and yep. As I thought about things more, it made more sense for most situations to just spam Virus since it has virtually no charge time. I'd be able to fire that off a bunch of time compared to a Bahamut or Leviathan, and probably do the same if not more damage with Virus. Probably should've just stuck with Porom, all things considered. Oh, well...we survived without me TOTALLY embarrassing myself 
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I wonder if Kary isn’t some bizarre abbreviation for Valkyrie. Would actually make some sort of sense.
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Oberndorf posted:I wonder if Kary isn’t some bizarre abbreviation for Valkyrie. Would actually make some sort of sense.
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NGDBSS posted:I believe it was actually a mistranslation of Kali from Hindu mythology. The connection is more explicit with FF1, where the boss of that name has multiple pairs of arms and weapons to match. FF9 also has the similar concept of the many-armed Maliris (?) which references the marilith from AD&D 2E, I guess because they didn't want the mythology connection to be too obvious? It's just a game of telephone because AD&D was in turn referencing Hindu mythology. Well, mistranslation is certainly not outside the realm of possibility here, given the slew of other things that fall into that camp. It's as good a theory as any!
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Professor Duck posted:Yep, and yep. As I thought about things more, it made more sense for most situations to just spam Virus since it has virtually no charge time. I'd be able to fire that off a bunch of time compared to a Bahamut or Leviathan, and probably do the same if not more damage with Virus. Bio has a base power of 128. Megaflare has a base Spell Power of 480. Bio has a cast time of "0", while Megaflare has a cast time of "3." So I think it comes roughly to you can get three Bio casts in one Megaflare cast, so effectively 384 Spell Power. Which is 100 less than Megaflare. Unless Rydia is doing 3,333 or more damage per Bio than Megaflare is superior DPS. Granted, Bio is better than pretty much every other summon in terms of ST damage, but that's not what most summons are for. Bio is kind of busted, unless you're hitting a weakness it's better DPS than the -ga spells. Of course, if Rydia knows Flare then you've got a 400 Spell Power instant cast spell. Which handily beats out Megaflare.
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