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Mr. Fowl posted:Seems kinda lame that they're slobbering about Mr Number 1 and Maple is the one they're worried about. Makes me think the devs are dumb nerds who hate fun. That struck me as odd too at first, but I suspect the issue is somewhat similar to why land destruction in Magic the gathering is not a viable archetype anymore- it’s no fun to play against. Maple’s build is also based on unique items and a super difficult to get skill. If they were really serious about nerfing her, they would patch hydra eater to scale with the user’s level to a maximum limit of the hydra’s level (or lower), as well as putting increasing poison resistance up to full immunity or even poison healing on first bosses, then regular enemies. Payne probably plays in a more standard way, where it is possible to beat him with the right build and a skilled enough player. The devs are complaining about maple because they don’t want to nerf her any more than necessary, but she isn’t the only player in the game. CrazySalamander fucked around with this message at 01:11 on Feb 10, 2020 |
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This show takes place far enough in the future that full VR is widespread. You would think there would be several decades of lessons learned from previous MMOs where they should have known that "Insta-kill anything that touches a comically oversized shield," and "Long duration AoE stun" were bad design choices. It's not Maple's fault they are such poo poo at game balance.
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Feb 10, 2020 07:56
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You say that but modern online games still are bad at balancing things especially when it's stuff they don't expect a player to do even though we've seen what happens in plenty of online games like Everquest and WoW). Plus you know they can patch it later!
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Kung Food posted:This show takes place far enough in the future that full VR is widespread. You would think there would be several decades of lessons learned from previous MMOs where they should have known that "Insta-kill anything that touches a comically oversized shield," and "Long duration AoE stun" were bad design choices. It's not Maple's fault they are such poo poo at game balance. My background I pretend that the show has is that for some reason MMORPGs never took off, but lots of single player ones did. Other genres like RTS filled the niche, and then along comes VR and someone decides to give a multiplayer RPG a go for the first time since MUD days. This is why you can do things like carry your tanks into battle and your rogues can have heal skills, and why those idiots think unique equipment is a good idea for an MMO. These guys are also still objectively better than the Final Fantasy MMO devs who did this: reddit posted:Introduced in 2005, Absolute Virtue was not successfully popped for three weeks. Three years later and no one had beaten it, but not for lack of trying. One party spent 30 hours on it. After FFXI players were hospitalized fighting FFXI's other megaboss Panadaemonium Warden, SE "nerfed" Absolute Virtue by one-third of it hit points and slapped a 2-hour limit on it. People could not beat in 2 hours what they had failed to beat in 30, and even after the devs released a video, it was still awhile before it was first killed with exploits (which the devs then patched).
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Kung Food posted:This show takes place far enough in the future that full VR is widespread. You would think there would be several decades of lessons learned from previous MMOs where they should have known that "Insta-kill anything that touches a comically oversized shield," and "Long duration AoE stun" were bad design choices. It's not Maple's fault they are such poo poo at game balance. My headcanon is that this game is the studio’s first MMO and everyone on the team (at least up to release) has a background in single player games and the VR technology rather than MMOs specifically, hence why they’re making so many comically easy to anticipate errors. Really though, the fact that these are all problems well known in the industry doesn’t mean squat. Game studios repeat the mistakes of the past all the time. Go google the development history of Final Fantasy XIV. Absolute Virtue in FFXI was just the tip of the iceberg.
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You can look at something like PoE too where there's some broken interaction somewhere at least every league.
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Feb 10, 2020 12:39
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No way could all these things been happening within a normal 2 hour sequence, this game speeds up time in your brain
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Cao Ni Ma posted:No way could all these things been happening within a normal 2 hour sequence, this game speeds up time in your brain Yeah, we got a 40 minute abridged version of the events, and it's definitely compressed by more than factor 3.
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Feb 10, 2020 16:17
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It's a one week in-game event that takes place over 2 real-world hours.
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The real sci-fi is that this 84:1 time compression is being used for entertainment and not chaining employees to their virtual desks.
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Kyte posted:The real sci-fi is that this 84:1 time compression is being used for entertainment and not chaining employees to their virtual desks.
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They basically confirm time compression in this episode.
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They outright said it at the start of the event. Edit: Yay, the strength twins! Plus, mentioning the fourth event, which I'm really looking forward to seeing. Onean fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Feb 13, 2020 |
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Maple mentoring two junior to be Maple but attacking is an amazing ide
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Feb 13, 2020 05:33
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Can't wait for them to be so strong no weapon can get through some damage aura or something equally busted.
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Nitrousoxide posted:They basically confirm time compression in this episode. More than that, they specify time compression to be an event specific thing, which to be honest, makes sense. Can you imagine getting ready for a raid and people being 5 minutes late logging in meaning that they were 6 hours late instead?
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There's probably some low time compression going on during normal stuff, like 2:1 or 3:1, so kids can squeeze out more playtime out of their evening.
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Onean posted:They outright said it at the start of the event. They said two hours real time, one week in game time. That could just as well mean that one game day/night cycle takes 17 minutes perceived time. But yeah you should totally bring your school homework into the game, somehow.
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Im glad Emiya is working hard because he doesn't want to end up being a lovely version of Maple
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nielsm posted:But yeah you should totally bring your school homework into the game, somehow.
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FilthyImp posted:That's basically how Doctor Strange got OP in the movie. Admins, I'm here to bargain.
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Nitrousoxide posted:Admins, There's a nonzero chance of this happening and it makes me happy. Something else I hope to see is that they try to nerf one her skills, but all it does it make it completely broken in a different way.
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nielsm posted:They said two hours real time, one week in game time. That could just as well mean that one game day/night cycle takes 17 minutes perceived time. Oh, yeah, that's fair. It was much more explicit in the written stuff, so that's just straight where my mind went.
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Electric Phantasm posted:There's a nonzero chance of this happening and it makes me happy.
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There's a reason why in this alternate universe DPSs are actually in demand.
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Kyte posted:There's a reason why in this alternate universe DPSs are actually in demand. maybe they're running around in full dps parties.
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Electric Phantasm posted:There's a nonzero chance of this happening and it makes me happy. So what you're saying is that these are the devs of Fallout 76? 
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Kild posted:maybe they're running around in full dps parties. What I'm saying is that Maple started a tank fad and also everyone's trying to amass enough DPS to beat Maple.
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Gonna laugh if they are like items and some skills are created by the AI not the devs the devs then balance after poo poo be broke. That is why the unique growth gear is a thing because it was a massive feat solo clearing a boss for the first time. Same with some of Maples skills.
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I've only watched through episode 2, but Maple is a cute monstrous war criminal, and I like the little touches in animation like Sally shaking her hands to get the last couple scales to fall out of inventory or flinging Maple into the air to give her a ride. It gives the show a very lively feel, in the same way that the exaggerated animations in like Monster Hunter do.
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Feb 19, 2020 02:38
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Breaking quest chains is the best.
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Feb 19, 2020 20:42
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It is amazing how the simple concept of min/maxing has so completely broken the game.
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I didn't notice until now that this show's game has the same name as Amazon's upcoming MMO. I love how Maple immediately needed to get new armor to match her second form. She knows fashion is the most important part of any MMO. The people in maple-watcher chat are right. Payne is going down when she busts out her third form (Wool Maple), and her fourth form (Poison Wool Maple.)
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I like how Maple changed gear just for fashion.
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Kild posted:I like how Maple changed gear just for fashion. We all know that fashion is the most important part of gaming. I do love the end of episode chat sessions with people recounting in a mixture of horror and reverence the force of nature that is Maple.
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The true end game in FFXIV is glamour after all! Maple just rolling with the broken quest dialog was amazing and reminded me of times I've gone to far in the game and the NPC still think I'm low level
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Kild posted:I like how Maple changed gear just for fashion. Presumably there are set bonuses, and the new set probably boosts the Holy element. When she uses up her 10 daily devours, she can swap from Poison DPS tank to Angel Buff tank mode by changing up her gear.
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Unless they tweak it, the set just gives a huge amount of HP. Activating her new ability costs HP, and armor piercing attacks will still work, so she figured she'd need a metric truckload of HP to make good use of it.
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Self-Offering Love is definitely going to get the nerfhammer soon.
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Ibblebibble posted:Self-Offering Love is definitely going to get the nerfhammer soon. But not until after steamrolling an event with it.
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