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Mahomes has been doing things a little differently recently where he almost always breaks the pocket, and he doesn't wait long to do it. He's too drat fast and always seems to be able to find plenty of room to wait for someone to come open. Even using a spy wasn't working, he'd just fake out the spy and still get plenty of room. I was thinking that blitzing some lighter, faster players might help because then if Mahomes breaks the pocket they can go after him with speed and quickness instead of the normal thing where he makes big first level defenders look slow and confused. Dude's just playing so well right now I have no clue if he can be beaten. But that's one idea, you've got to limit the seconds Mahomes gets to stand back there with the ball, and you've got to assume that he is going to break the pocket on the majority of dropbacks Eifert Posting posted:So I don't have Gamepass anymore I can't .gif poo poo. Who giffed chief walking away from flag and where is it posted. heres a version, he's not walking away from a flag but from knocking the referee on his rear end and getting made because he didn't realize at first that it was a ref https://twitter.com/girlthatscass/status/1219111838094438402
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Play posted:Mahomes has been doing things a little differently recently where he almost always breaks the pocket, and he doesn't wait long to do it. He's too drat fast and always seems to be able to find plenty of room to wait for someone to come open. Even using a spy wasn't working, he'd just fake out the spy and still get plenty of room. My problem with this is personnel wise, if you send faster guys at him who is covering the receivers? If you've got all the light guys out to focus on speed, who's tackling Kelce? The chiefs have too many fast wife beaters to focus athletes on the quarterback
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Raku posted:My problem with this is personnel wise, if you send faster guys at him who is covering the receivers? If you've got all the light guys out to focus on speed, who's tackling Kelce? It's risky, but I don't think sitting back is going to work that well either. At least give it a try in certain downs and distances. Mahomes is like super Brady. If you leave him space and time he will destroy you Also, what you could be doing in that situation is in obvious passing downs just have more DBs on the field so instead of blitzing a linebacker blitz a safety or corner. Pretty sure when the Titans did blitz a corner a couple times it worked out okay. Playing a zone coverage with flat zones could help too, so DBs can come up and pressure when Mahomes flees to one side or another (unfortunately Mahomes will probably just hit the pass behind them, but it's still worth considering). One thing's for sure, the 49ers won't win without an incredible performance from their defense. They have to have sustained pressure on Mahomes or it'll be a long, long day Play fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Jan 21, 2020 |
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Can the 49'ers create enough pressure with just their DL so that they can have their DB's can stay in coverage?
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Android Apocalypse posted:Can the 49'ers create enough pressure with just their DL so that they can have their DB's can stay in coverage? They have all year.
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Waltzing Along posted:They have all year. The Titans were getting a ton of pressure on Mahomes (for like half the game) and Mahomes was just running away from them and hucking ridiculous passes on the run. If there's one guy who just won't care about this pass rush, it's Mahomes.
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Android Apocalypse posted:Can the 49'ers create enough pressure with just their DL so that they can have their DB's can stay in coverage? If everyone is healthy, yes. The 49ers blitz at one of the lowest rates in the NFL. ^ Yeah that's the problem with Mahomes. This will be the 4th time this year the 49ers will face a QB who's athletic and a great/good enough passer (Wilson twice, Lamar once), hopefully they've learned some tricks. MakaVillian fucked around with this message at 18:13 on Jan 21, 2020 |
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Ok, so the question changes to "can the 49'ers secondary keep up with the Chiefs' offense, especially if plays break down & Mahomes improvises?"
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Mahomes can just float backwards from a pass rush and still keep his eyes downfield and complete passes. Surreal combo of talent and willpower
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Kalli posted:The Titans were getting a ton of pressure on Mahomes (for like half the game) and Mahomes was just running away from them and hucking ridiculous passes on the run. While it's true that Mahomes is unique like this, the SF pass rush is also equally special. Joey Bosa is one of the few guys in the league who could run him down.
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I didn't get to watch much 49ers this year until the playoffs. Is it just me or is there defense really young? Like all the draft picks went that way the past three years or so.
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I think that's about right. Like if we looked at both teams, the biggest weakness is either Jimmy G doing nothing or Andy Reid's clock problems, and we've seen a more recent example of a QB having nothing asked of him fail when something is then asked of them (Tannehill), then bad clock management killing a team.
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Better Than You posted:Holy poo poo that is a small line. I can't remember the last time the Super Bowl was a virtual pick 'em Last year Rams opened as 1 point favorites (lol), which quickly shifted to Pats as 2.5 point favorites.
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Kalli posted:The Titans were getting a ton of pressure on Mahomes (for like half the game) and Mahomes was just running away from them and hucking ridiculous passes on the run. Yeah this is the issue. The pressure ends up being worthless because they can't keep up with Mahomes when he rolls out and avoids the rush. Dude is much faster than he looks. Right now the way he's playing he almost doesn't even try to throw the ball before breaking the pocket, he just waits for the protection to break down and a lane to open up, rolls out and finds someone who is inevitably open because the play is many seconds old by that point. Or takes it himself for a ten yard pickup because most of the defenders are absorbed with trying to cover those ultraquick receivers Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Right now Chiefs are 1.5 point favorites. To me that's not even close to correct. I'd be happy to be wrong but I think the Chiefs should be favored by a touchdown or at least six points. Just not sure if the 49ers defense can actually make things tough for the Chiefs. If anyone can do it it would be them, but it's still an open question if anyone CAN do it
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:Last year Rams opened as 1 point favorites (lol), which quickly shifted to Pats as 2.5 point favorites. I have no idea the accuracy of this site but it came up for historical super bowl odds https://www.actionnetwork.com/nfl/super-bowl-betting-history-odds-spreads-over-under-results Doesn't seem too rare to have a spread of 3 points or less Some funny ones that jump out are Pats -12.5 over the Giants (  ), 49ers -18 over Chargers (which they easily covered  ), and Broncos -1.5 over Seattle in the game the Seahawks won by like 4,000 points.
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When Mahomes was first drafted I was cautiously optimistic. His draft comp was Jay Cutler That Tries. I was okay with that. What I quickly learned is that Mahomes, even under pressure, always keeps his eyes downfield. This was such a glaring difference from Alex Smith, who would duck and run from even imaginary pressure and guys wide open down the field are waving their hands in the air like dude throw it. I feel blessed to have a guy who has the wherewithal to find receivers when the play breaks down. It's something all the best QBs do.
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I saw a funny tweet that says Mahomes plays like Jay Cutler imagines he does in his head
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kiimo posted:When Mahomes was first drafted I was cautiously optimistic. His draft comp was Jay Cutler That Tries. I was okay with that.
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Docjowles posted:I have no idea the accuracy of this site but it came up for historical super bowl odds There isnt a Chargers fan alive who thought they'd compete in that superbowl. No one was beating the 49ers that year
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Better Than You posted:He's no Mahomes but you can say the same exact thing about Drew Lock, especially the part about being Jay Cutler except that he gives a poo poo. It's going to be hard to dislike Lee's Summit native Drew Lock.
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a neat cape posted:There isnt a Chargers fan alive who thought they'd compete in that superbowl.
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Docjowles posted:I have no idea the accuracy of this site but it came up for historical super bowl odds Gotta lol at the Broncos ones from the 80’s.
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Play posted:To me that's not even close to correct. I'd be happy to be wrong but I think the Chiefs should be favored by a touchdown or at least six points. Just not sure if the 49ers defense can actually make things tough for the Chiefs. If anyone can do it it would be them, but it's still an open question if anyone CAN do it It's that close because the Niners can score on KC's defense; they're only 25th in rushing yards allowed (the Packers were 26th and we know how that turned out). We'll have to score on pretty much every possession, and try and slow Mahomes down some and get a few stops. Take the over, it'll be a shootout.
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Chiefs Tag Update: I was up entirely too late last night working on lettering poo poo. I should have a prototype tag or two ready to post later today or tonight. Thank y’all for being patient and Go The Kansas City Football Chiefs!
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It seemed like the issue Tennessee had was they could flush him out of the pocket but not contain him. If the 9ers can reliably pressure from both ends they may be more successful.
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SHOAH NUFF posted:Titans had a weird plan where they would rush 3-4 and try to overload the middle of the Chiefs OL. I guess they obviously knew the Chiefs G/C/G aren’t that good but it still looked odd and was ineffective Do that to slow motherfuckers like Tom Brady and Drew Brees, Mahomes doesn't seem to be remotely bothered by pressure up the middle because he's fast and will just roll out, giving him a great view and open passing lanes. The problem is he'll do the same thing if you leave any decent gaps in the pressure, which is pretty hard not to do when you're doing your best to rush the passer and get around an O linemen, gaps will open regardless. I did like how the Titans were disguising their coverage, I feel like that actually worked to a limited extent, especially early in the game. Chiefs adapted quickly though, and good coverage is worthless when Mahomes beats the defense to the edge and picks up most of a first down just by scrambling
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Docjowles posted:I have no idea the accuracy of this site but it came up for historical super bowl odds Going through this really drives home that when the Super Bowl has put a team known for great offense against a team known for great defense, the former has often been the spread favorite but the latter has won almost every time
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Eric the Mauve posted:Going through this really drives home that when the Super Bowl has put a team known for great offense against a team known for great defense, the former has often been the spread favorite but the latter has won almost every time Two weeks to prepare is a significant advantage to the defense typically.
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Play posted:Do that to slow motherfuckers like Tom Brady and Drew Brees, Mahomes doesn't seem to be remotely bothered by pressure up the middle because he's fast and will just roll out, giving him a great view and open passing lanes. The problem is he'll do the same thing if you leave any decent gaps in the pressure, which is pretty hard not to do when you're doing your best to rush the passer and get around an O linemen, gaps will open regardless. https://twitter.com/minakimes/status/1219697567220424704
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Kalli posted:Two weeks to prepare is a significant advantage to the defense typically. Yeah but Andy Reid after a bye week is a factoid in play
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kiimo posted:Yeah but Andy Reid after a bye week is a factoid in play But is it truly a "bye" week when early next qeek he has to leave the comfort of home-cooked ribs to travel afar for inane interviews and on-site hoopla?
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Kalli posted:Two weeks to prepare is a significant advantage to the defense typically. Just ask Goff.
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