FreudianSlippers posted:

The imperial delegation being like 20 people in a ship the size of an Olympic stadium is pretty opulent.

Hakkesshu posted:

This is an awful lot of words to say something that doesn't really apply to Dune. I mean yes, some of these tropes are deployed, but the Fremen succeed primarily because they have Space Jesus and Space Mary in their midst and also ride around on gargantuan undefeatable worms.

AnEdgelord posted:

The fremen and their jihad is also pretty consciously based on the Arab conquests which is one of a handful of times in history that defies the "settled societies are better at violence" thing that guy is going for.

Communist Thoughts posted:

no mention of jessica having a son in defiance of the BG

Steve Yun posted:

Villeneueve’s Heighliner setup seems… inefficient

one Heighliner would have to hoof it out to the destination, which would be a nightmare by conventional travel. Then it would have to connect to a second Heighliner so that theyd act as portals to each other. Book heighliners just need one and they go wherever they please

Arglebargle III posted:

The galactic holocaust isn't avoidable without Paul dying, which is kind of a theme. Paul knowingly trades the Atreides dynasty and Paul's personal survival for something like 60 billion lives. Adult Paul with more experience of ruling and prescience encounters a similar choice and decides to walk into the desert without a stillsuit rather than go on.

SalTheBard posted:

I read the book when I was in 9th grade and watched the Lynch movie right after that, so it's probably been 25+ years since I've read any of the source material. I have a few questions:

Are the Bene Gessert similar to Handmaids from a Handmaids Tale? It seems like all the BG's that we met are concubines, and Leto even tells Jessica "I wish I had married you.", if Leto and Jessica aren't married, where is Leto's wife?

I think this was hinted at, but want to make sure I understand, the BG on Arrakis are the ones that planted the seeds of "Lisan Al-Galib" regarding Paul right?

Azubah posted:

Is Paul's choice with Jamis why sometimes Zendaya kills him and sometimes she doesn't in his visions? It felt like an either or thing to me as it was presented in the movie and I read the book 20 some odd years ago so I don't remember poo poo about it.

cohsae posted:

I've only read the first book, so maybe this is in the sequels but
If Spice is what makes space travel possible, how did anyone get around before it was discovered on Arrakis?

porfiria posted:

It was pretty funny the Atreides were using some phalanx tactics on the steps to the palace. That...seems like a pretty good idea, although isn't the canonical idea with the Hotlzmann effect that it actually reflects momentum? But what if your spear has a shield on it?

breadshaped posted:

Butterfly Valley posted:

The film ends with him launching a holy war after making the emperor kiss his ring.

Failed Imagineer posted:

https://twitter.com/minchoi/status/1778074187778683253?t=aiByp7lyj6Yo3FvkAIkrHg&s=19

Arglebargle III posted:

The cannons the Harkonnens are so psyched about are regular tube artillery, which mostly kill by flinging shrapnel through the air at high velocities. A shield will completely protect troops from this mode of attack unless they're unlucky enough to be injured by overpressure standing within a few feet of a shell burst, so they fell out of favor. But on Arrakis people don't wear shields and tube artillery can be used to drop caves on people's heads, which is what they're so stoked about.'

Dune was written before precision artillery, so the idea that a shell could be aimed to land within a few feet of a man-sized target wasn't plausible at the time. Now armies love precision artillery and constantly try to order expensive long-range precision systems, because dropping one shell on a target is so much faster and more efficient than dropping hundreds of shells in its general vicinity and hoping you get a few hits. So from the modern perspective the idea that tube artillery is obsolete is a bit odd, but 60s tube artillery really couldn't hit a target the size of a human and a shield would protect you from the shrapnel.

Tei posted:

They compensate lack of computers with training. Like these people that can calculate the square root of a large number instanly with a combination of tecniques and ability.

On the Dune universe you have people that can do some specific job has good or better than a computer.

BonoMan posted:

Thanks! It's got more detail than just straight radar returns, but Reddit has pointed me in the direction of it being mentat powered somehow.

hillaryous clinton posted:

It's been a while since I read Dune. Wouldn't the personal shields cover the swords themselves, thus making it impossible to stab someone while shielded?

Kopmala posted:

I wish I could tell you the source for that quote, but I saw it and sent it to myself as a text message (I routinely do this with topics I'm interested in). It was so drat long ago that I seriously can't remember where it came from.