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I remember reading somewhere that Herbert actually really liked the way the Navigator was depicted in Lynch’s movie, and it reflected how he portrayed chronic spice users in the latter novels. Any truth to that?
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Re: the Lynch movie being overly dark - I'm watching it right now and they must have had some weird technical poo poo going on behind the scenes, a lot of shots have their exposure pushed really hard, a couple of the composite shots are really rough, and when Paul is first showing the fremen how to use the weirding module there's a loving massive light leak drenching the right side of the frame.
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Jan 22, 2020 05:12
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I kinda enjoy how comically over the top evil it makes the harkonnens, rabban's little sippy cup that crushes small animals so he can drink their blood is one of the most ridiculous props ever.
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Jan 22, 2020 14:53
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I think that's just what the harkonnens call a good time
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Jan 26, 2020 03:22
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SHAI HU LUD THE VAST SAND WORM
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Jan 27, 2020 06:44
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Al Cu Ad Solte posted:Dune knowledge havers: why does everyone else have setting appropriate names but then there's a guy named Duncan Idaho, which if I didn't know better was the guy that founded Idaho Potatoes. He's got a comically MidwestTM name because he's essentially Space John Wayne until he gets shot in the face.
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Feb 1, 2020 03:04
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Bugblatter posted:I don’t really understand why Dune should look like an acid trip at all. The descriptions in the book are fairly grounded and kind of brutalist? Are people just really wanting the Jodorowsky take? His movie sounded cool but had nothing to do with the novel. its a universe where the closest helicopter analogue is a plane that flaps its wings like a loving bird, there isn't gently caress-all in Dune that's supposed to be grounded or familiar.
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Sep 7, 2020 06:40
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The whole juice thing is an exaggeration from the books as well, Piter drinks it but it’s not because its a mentat thing, its because the Baron seeks out people who have easy control levers and Piter being an addict makes him easy to control.
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Sep 8, 2020 20:16
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I think the implication was that the Spacing guild acquired all of their spice off the books, because they can just blockade anyone who tried to out them, so nobody even knew they were a big consumer of it, much less that spice was the key ingredient to the navigators ability to perform space folding. as far as the navigator's appearance - there are spacing guild dudes in the first book who seem fairly normal, aside from the spice eyes, but I don't think they're explicitly identified as Navigators, and Messiah has a navigator as a major character and he's explicitly a mutant fishman confined to a spice tank. I remember reading somewhere that Herbert actually really liked the imagery from Jodorowsky and Lynch of the Navigators not just being flippery dudes but full on horrific whalepeople, and brought that into the books at some point? Last time I read children, God Emperor or Chapterhouse was like 15 years ago so I can't remember if there's any truth to that.
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Sep 11, 2020 22:17
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Yeah, iirc the studio wanted to say in marketing that they had alternate cuts for all of the Allen movies in their big megabox collection, and offered Scott a (presumably large) amount of money to just gently caress around for a bit and make a different cut they could use.
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Nov 8, 2020 22:35
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The machines in The Matrix are three laws compliant and the system is the result of an extremely convoluted chain of logical leaps to punish humanity for attempting to genocide robots without actually breaking them.
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Nov 11, 2020 04:00
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I mean, the vast majority of people in general do not have anything resembling a coherent ideological structure, it’s just that sci fi and fantasy authors have a tendency to just let it all hang out.
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Oct 13, 2021 05:10
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jeeves posted:Much like the Spider-thing, the ship as gates is a kind of weird invention for the movie... and like... only for that one shot. I imagine that there are a lot more inhabited planets than heighliners, so the guild charges a shitload to have one show up in orbit for you and link up to your destination when you need to move poo poo.
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Nov 8, 2021 08:10
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Oh that’s easy, the navigators are high as gently caress on precog seasoning so they already know when they need to show up and have the register ready to go on arrival
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Nov 8, 2021 09:16
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The guild are also stated to have an effective monopoly on banking in the known universe as well as on travel.
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Nov 8, 2021 19:20
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I kind of took that the couple dudes we see in the fully enclosed white and gold suits during the Herald of the Change scene might’ve been early stage navigators acting as guild reps to the imperial court, senior enough to be rocking 24/7 spice gas suits but not having gone full fish-fetus mode yet.
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Nov 9, 2021 18:16
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Halloween Jack posted:I've said this before, but I like some things about the Lynch Dune and dislike others. The costumes are too samey--I like the sleek black synthetic fabric, but there are too many different factions who are all wearing black synthetic fabric. My favorite costuming detail from dune 84 is that the guild reps are wearing actual used bodybags, which the actors were not told about at the time
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Nov 18, 2021 00:01
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gently caress it, just go full circle and have Brad Dourif play the emperor
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Dec 11, 2021 00:19
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as I understand the story from the featurettes released with the original 97SE, Lucasfilm hasn't released a scan of the original star wars masters because the ones they had literally do not exist anymore, they were heavily damaged from age and california storage and what little they had left got destructively cannibalized for the special editions. There are probably other masters out there or first run prints, but all the ones lucasfilm had are gone and Lucas personally had no interest in acquiring and restoring another copy.
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Apr 26, 2023 00:46
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banned from Starbucks posted:I watched like 3 vids trying to explain that series and still have no idea wtf its even about What if every culture in the universe has the same outlook as white guys who open carry at chuck-e-cheese’s for fear that another person might just start blasting at any moment
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May 6, 2023 15:41
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My take on the Yueh thing in the books was always that it was less “we have your wife” and more about engineering a situation where Yueh would trolley problem himself into a situation where helping the Harkonnens was the best route forward, and the baron really didn’t give a poo poo about the specifics of what Yueh told himself as long as he helped bring down the Atreides.
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Jun 12, 2023 14:32
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kalel posted:I mean it's pretty obvious that snyder would play the whole white saviour thing completely uncritically straight lol
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Boris Galerkin posted:Is everyone in dunc universe “regular” humans or do they have enhanced genetics? Like why are the sardokar and fremen known for being powerful fighters? Are they just trained better/have better gear? Sardaukar and fremen both live on inhospitable death worlds and live in extremely violent cultures that supposedly weed out anyone too weak to become an ultimate killing machine, the fremen of course live on dune and it’s revealed later that the Sardaukar homeworld, salusa secundus, was the imperial prison world where the condemned of several centuries were marooned and left to fend for themselves on planet Space Australia. Most people are genetically baseline humans, besides the limited eugenics that the bene gesserit do, and the mentats are the results of lifelong training and conditioning. the hidden guild navigators are hideously mutated by extreme spice exposure, and actual for-real genetic engineering shows up in the second book, Dune Messiah, with the bene tleilaxu, a cult of freaky body modifiers who mutate people into monstrosities and create custom-grown creatures for the great houses entertainment.
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Jul 1, 2023 03:33
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Power Walrus posted:Just make sure the carryall pilots are in the union. Do you think the carryall pilots are teamsters or did the teamsters become the spacing guild?
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Jul 1, 2023 16:35
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Boris Galerkin posted:Love to get myself completely covered in whatever cancer causing stuff that is especially without a hard hat even though there’s swinging heavy equipment at head level, just to prove to the boys that I’m a manly man. The funny thing about that video is that the shirtless one is actually the CEO or someone similarly high in the company, and this video was him trying to prove that a bunch of the standard safety measures aren’t actually necessary and making a total loving mess of the site in the process. There’s video of other people doing this exact same procedure and it’s not nearly as much of a loving horrorshow when someone who knows that they’re doing is doing the job.
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Jul 1, 2023 23:27
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The Navigator’s appearance in the Lynch Dune film is an invention of the film, as while navigators are mutated in the books their description up to that point was more in line with some kind of anime merman, rather than the giant horrifying fish fetus of the 80s movie. I have heard rumors though that Herbert apparently loving loved that interpretation.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Not sure who Baron Harkonnen would be... for some reason I can't help but think Fozzie. David Lynch. He is the only human actor.
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