D U N C: suks to be yueh

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reignonyourparade: Nov 15, 2012

well why not posted:

he is merely an actor who has played Elvis and adopted some of Elvis' mannerisms and speech patterns.

I don't see any reason one can't call this sort of elvis

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 12:43

reignonyourparade: Nov 15, 2012

Pretty sure the predecessors to the guild were also probably using the other shittier prescience drugs before they got on the spice train just like the Bene Gesserit reputedly were.

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reignonyourparade: Nov 15, 2012

As for why marry Irulan at all if he's gonna have to fight all the great houses anyway, I figure it's supposed to make it easier to get people to surrender once he does in fact start winning wars thanks to the fremen.

# ¿ Mar 25, 2024 18:58

reignonyourparade: Nov 15, 2012

Scags McDouglas posted:

Yeah I've never thought about it but it seems recursive to follow the rules necessary to obtain a position of power you've just stolen. First decree, nobody gives a poo poo about whether I marry anyone.

Think about it like this: Marrying Irulan means that, say, 20% of the houses he invade will surrender at the first engagement realizing that the fremen are The Real Deal as opposed to the Sardaukar having been paper tigers, rather than fighting on. 20% of those who aren't in the first wave getting hit will surrender without him actually having to invade when they see their peers being defeated so easily. All of these things mean fremen soldiers living who otherwise would've died in battle, which means a stronger fighting force being left at the end of the conquests, which means being better able to respond to inevitable rebellions.

It's not so much that he NEEDS to marry Irulan, but that there are very real costs to not doing so, even if he is capable of paying those costs.

# ¿ Mar 25, 2024 21:20

reignonyourparade: Nov 15, 2012

Asked a coworker who hadn't read the books at all and he didn't notice any hole left by the guild's absence, just figured "oh the emperor's pilots must be willing to worm for Paul now."

Which is not to say they can necessarily be left out of the Messiah adaptation but seems like it was fine for the non-reader audience to shift them around like that.

# ¿ Mar 26, 2024 18:41

reignonyourparade: Nov 15, 2012

AnEdgelord posted:

to be fair in the book he explains this to two Guild Navigators who are confirming everything hes saying using their own prescience so his intended audience for these statements knows them to be true with absolute certainty

which again goes back to what I think is the only genuine mistake of the adaptation, cutting the Guild out of story

it makes several plot points much more awkward, such as the southern hemisphere thing where in the book its because the Fremen are bribing the Guild with a lot of Spice for privacy while in the movie the reason nobody knows the south is inhabited is ????

also I don't know if the little makers and pre spice masses have been "dropped" so much as "not mentioned"

Not that they mention it in the second movie specifically, but there is a whole thing about not having satellites above Arrakis. No it's not established that the guild specifically is the reason for that, but it is established, so that's the reason nobody knows the south is inhabited.

Really think this is a case of "Book reader can see the shape of the whole, even an invested movie-only viewer will simply accept things without even realizing the explanation that would've happened is missing."

(Sure this opens up so why does the emperor figure it out but again without knowing what the explanation WOULD have been, a lot of people are totally willing to just assume "emperor must have better tech than the Harkonens and Atreides do.")

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# ¿ May 10, 2024 12:43

reignonyourparade: Nov 15, 2012

Simply Simon posted:

He already told the Fremen that they can have the galaxy by its balls by threatening to withhold spice from it. The guild would fold immediately to the Fremen doing this and ferry them wherever, perhaps first to Caladan for some stern words with their Messiah who must have just gotten confused a little, right?

"The messiah is just badly advised, probably by the offworlder Gurney, as soon as we blackmail the guild to get to caladan and then kill gurney he'll properly tell us to do our holy war"

# ¿ Apr 11, 2024 21:33

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