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I love Stewart but if his contributions to the TNG movies are any indication, he’s kind of a moron. I wouldn’t take his creative involvement as an unambiguous positive for the show. Yes i know he did a whole interview where he talks about how he’s now seen TNG and understands why people liked it, but please consider why he/CBS felt the need for him to do that.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Discovery is fine if you don’t go in determined to hate it, hth. I wanted to like it real bad and just felt jerked around by the end of each season. 
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Jan 22, 2020 00:02
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zoux posted:The first 2 seasons of Discovery are better than the first two seasons of TNG and DS9 easy. It goes without saying it's better than the other three series entirely, not just the first 2 seasons. Comparing any show against TNG season 1 is hilarious. Like yeah I would hope anyone could run a show better than a coked-out, embittered, senile Gene Roddenberry.
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Jan 22, 2020 00:06
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Disco is like the kid who’s under a fuckton of pressure to succeed, and burns itself out while trying to do 400 extracurriculars at once. The good news is those kids tend to become super chill and smoke a lot of weed. Or they kill themselves. But hopefully more of the former.
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Jan 22, 2020 00:08
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HD DAD posted:Disco is like the kid who’s under a fuckton of pressure to succeed, and burns itself out while trying to do 400 extracurriculars at once. What will be interesting is if they actually stay in the future or not
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Jan 22, 2020 00:17
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They'll probably stay in the future so they can have fewer continuity issues to juggle as they plan 2-5 other shows set in the 23rd/24th Century.
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Jan 22, 2020 00:26
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twistedmentat posted:I really doubt P-Stew would have come back if he had not liked what they wanted to do. I think Discovery could take some queues from The Witcher. The Witcher wasn't amazing TV or anything, but its script matched the tone they were going for. It was written more like a genre show then trying to be a prestige show, but they put the money in to make it look like a prestige show. Discovery needs to have writers who are trying to write Star Trek instead of trying to write whatever the "prestige" version of Star Trek is. Then let the production take care of itself, because it's already proved itself. Sure, people will complain that it's not prestige enough, but who cares, as long as it's Star Trek enough.
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Jan 22, 2020 00:42
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Disco is infuriating because there's a genuinely good show buried in there, somewhere. When they lean into the wacky space mushroom tardigrade in nipple clamps stuff, the show can be a lot of fun. Granted, of everything I wanted to come back for a new Trek show, the wacky TOS surrealism was pretty low on my list, but that's just personal taste and it's as much genuine Trek as space fables, pew pew battles and ethical courtroom dramas. It's just so schizophrenic, the tone bounces around wildly, storylines are picked up and suddenly dropped, main character arcs don't make any sense and characters randomly act in ways that contradict who they are (Except, for some reason, Saru, who is inexplicably well written in comparison to everything around him). It's rare to see a show where it's troubled production is just so blatantly on screen for all to see. I've got a theory; the quality of a show inversely correlates with how aggressively they dial up the Orange-and-Teal in post. If it's subtle, that means a lot of thought has been put into the colour pallet and how it reflects the mood and tone in of the story in any given scene. If it's really aggressive, that means someone hammered the 'make it pretty' button and called it a day. Picard, like Disco, is orange-and-teal as fuuuuck.
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I feel like they were limited in the stories they could tell because of continutiy but hopefully now that that's not a problem anymore, they'll be more free to write. You could do some bonkers poo poo in the far future, what year was the Enterprise, sigh, J supposed to be from
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zoux posted:I feel like they were limited in the stories they could tell because of continutiy but hopefully now that that's not a problem anymore, they'll be more free to write. You could do some bonkers poo poo in the far future, what year was the Enterprise, sigh, J supposed to be from I think the incessant insistence on "oh we're totally in the same timeline, everything still hooks together!!" is just utter cowardice that winds up backfiring entirely. On the production side it can only serve to constrain the options of all involved, meanwhile instead of placating nerds it just aggravates them when the writers wind up contradicting other Trek series anyway. Just loving dump the old continuity and commit to a hard loving reboot. Hell, they can call it a parallel timeline in the same "multiverse" or whatever, but just stop trying to pretend the new poo poo fits into the history or future of the prior shows and it can open so many options.
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Eiba posted:I think depicting a state/military as benevolent trustworthy perpetually good thing is actually the bad thing to depict. There is never going to be a perfect society where the issues are solved and we can all relax. Oh never trust it. Always be on guard against its worst inclinations and against individuals and bad actors trying to drag it down. That's not contradictory to what I said - in fact, I'd consider it necessary. But I think that you can depict an idealistic Federation whilst making sure to show that it's something you have to work for, but not having to fall into the depressing idea of it almost inevitably turning bad and inward-focused and compromised as part of your setting. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 01:22 on Jan 22, 2020 |
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Jan 22, 2020 01:20
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Discovery is fine if you don’t go in determined to hate it, hth. I really wanted to like it, but just loving hated it after a few episodes. I couldn't even get through the first season, and what little I've seen of the second has not at all sold me.
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Jan 22, 2020 01:27
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HD DAD posted:I’ve said it before, but Disco excels when it’s just being Weird As Hell™, as opposed to attempting some kind of epic, melodramatic tale. 
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skasion posted:Sure it does. Starfleet is a human organization. Vulcans had their own organization that was eventually superseded by it. Technology growth was making future stories harder. By the end of Voyager the Federation knows a lot about wormholes, warp 10, borg transwarp conduits and whatnot. Lots of stuff the crew of Voyager couldn't make work would reasonably be perfected once it was in the hands of Federation scientists. If that continues, then in the near future space exploration will be trivial. The alpha and beta quadrants are fully mapped. The Gamma quadrant is likely off limits to avoid coming into conflict with the Founders again. Most of the Delta Quadrant is still undiscovered, but it is heavily infested by Borg, and there were a bunch of other empires that weren't thrilled with Voyager crossing their space. There isn't much unclaimed space left in the entire galaxy. I suppose they could get around that by having inter-galactic travel become possible with the new technologies. A new galaxy could shed a lot of the restrive canon. Maybe even with all the fancy it still takes years to reach the nearest galaxy. Which would b easily passed in stasis but it would mean backup wouldn't be a few days away. But instead it looks like Discovery is going with the Federation having splintered and fallen, with some technological regression so they can just erase any inconvient technologies.
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I will start watching it when it stops sucking. Maybe Picard will be good but I seriously doubt it.
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Peachfart posted:I will start watching it when it stops sucking. Maybe Picard will be good but I seriously doubt it. As long as you keep posting...
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Facebook Aunt posted:But instead it looks like Discovery is going with the Federation having splintered and fallen, with some technological regression so they can just erase any inconvient technologies. I come to start trek for the optimistic stories for the future like (checks notes) a collapsing, backwards fascist federation fighting to hold on the the scraps it has left
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zoux posted:Maybe if they hadn't made a bunch of bullshit prequel crap this wouldn't be an issue. I have no idea why they've only every decided to go backwards after DS9 Because they did make things that take place after DS9 and they're complete dogshit that basically put the franchise in a shallow grave for years until it was revived with successful prequels.
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Nitrousoxide posted:I come to start trek for the optimistic stories for the future like (checks notes) a collapsing, backwards fascist federation fighting to hold on the the scraps it has left Something like...90%? of Star Trek has nothing to do with the Federation or an optimistic story about the future. I come to Star Trek because it's a malleable enough setting for interesting stories, of many different types and genres, about the world we live in along with new, clever takes and possibilities. Which (checks notes) Discovery hasn't really delivered on that much, to be fair.
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Facebook Aunt posted:Technology growth was making future stories harder. By the end of Voyager the Federation knows a lot about wormholes, warp 10, borg transwarp conduits and whatnot. Lots of stuff the crew of Voyager couldn't make work would reasonably be perfected once it was in the hands of Federation scientists. At the beginning of TNG they have the ability to make anything and teleport anywhere. Technology always worked to whatever was needed for the episode of the week that it somehow got too advanced is a silly notion.
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Farcsape was great, and the world those people lived in was terrible, Just terrible. It didn't matter, because it was a great setting for interesting stories of all types, and when it DID do worldbuilding, it was (for the most part) consistent and clever. And of course, the show had a real sense of fun, which made it hit even harder when it wanted to be serious. That's one of the reasons I don't think an optimistic setting is nearly as important as some people think it is. It is more important to be clever and consistent, especially in the writing. Time will tell if Discovery will get there or if Picard faces a similarly laborious journey. If anything, Discovery could do with LESS leaning on the worldbuilding and more stuff that's just explorations of what's 'out there.' Maybe getting out of the hole of rigid canon and 'what can't be discovered yet' will give them some breathing room. ashpanash fucked around with this message at 02:44 on Jan 22, 2020 |
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Jan 22, 2020 02:42
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My friend was at the London premiere the other day and enjoyed it a lot.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:They'll probably stay in the future so they can have fewer continuity issues to juggle as they plan 2-5 other shows set in the 23rd/24th Century.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Michelle Yeoh's character is going to have to find a way to get back somehow, unless the S31 show takes place during that short period between the end of S1 of Disco and S2 Aren’t the Temporal Agent dudes from Voyager already around by the time S3 is set? I assume she’ll be going back at some point to rebuild Section 31 in secret and Disco will stay in the future.
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Jan 22, 2020 02:57
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Please keep the show 900 years in the future. No more being hamstrung by previous canon.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Michelle Yeoh's character is going to have to find a way to get back somehow, unless the S31 show takes place during that short period between the end of S1 of Disco and S2 That's the thing. I almost feel they signed off prematurely on the S31 Starring Michelle Yeoh series, tabled it, then realized how cool it would be for her to go to the future with the gang. Now they're stuck having a show that takes place in a 6 month window where not a lot is happening in the galaxy.
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Maybe S31 is why theres seemingly nothing happening in that window, hmmm, theyre doing it all so secret-like nobody even notices
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Michelle Yeoh clones everywhere.
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MikeJF posted:Michelle Yeoh clones everywhere. And the downside to this is...?
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I've only ever seen her in that one Bond movie, can someone point me to reasons why everyone loves Michelle Yeoh because I feel like I'm missing something
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It will be neat to see the TNG era races again. I miss the Ferengi.
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Tighclops posted:I've only ever seen her in that one Bond movie, can someone point me to reasons why everyone loves Michelle Yeoh because I feel like I'm missing something She’s good in Crouching Tiger
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skasion posted:She’s good in Crouching Tiger And Crazy Rich Asians, and Kung-Fu Panda 2, and Sunshine. Saying you've only seen her in Tomorrow Never Dies is kinda like saying you've only seen Patrick Stewart in Masterminds and you're baffled by why people like him so much.
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I’ve only seen Brent Spiner in Master of Disguise. Apparently he played a robot or something on a tv show?
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We only saw prime Georgou for a single episode and I feel cheated for not having had more of her, she was fantastic as a proper captain instead of a cliche evil-ish.
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HD DAD posted:I’ve only seen Brent Spiner in Master of Disguise. Apparently he played a robot or something on a tv show? Eh, you're not missing much 
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HD DAD posted:I’ve only seen Brent Spiner in Master of Disguise. Apparently he played a robot or something on a tv show? I re-watched Enterprise recently and I liked it a lot more than I did originally. The episodes I disliked the most though were the ones with Brent Spiner, though, but despite him, not because of him.
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My theory is she got off Disco before it went to the future. Got in an escape pod and went on her evil way.
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Georgia Peach posted:I re-watched Enterprise recently and I liked it a lot more than I did originally. The episodes I disliked the most though were the ones with Brent Spiner, though, but despite him, not because of him. Arik Soong was a really fun character and Spiner was digging the hell out of getting the chance to ham it up as a morally grey character. If Enterprise had gotten a fifth season, he's one of the people I wished they brought back for it.
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