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Moon Slayer posted:I'm pretty sure those two are from the prequel comic series, and are former Tal Shiar agents who were assigned to a colony, fell in love with each other, and went native. They helped then-Admiral Picard when the local governor tried to steal the ship he arrived in to help evacuate the colony. I just checked and they are. Notably: Their cover was that they ran a vineyard on the colony, using native sapient beings as slave labour. But part of establishing them as good guys is that they are secretly working with the native people's resistance to Romulan oppression. Explaining why Picard is down with hanging out with Tal'Shiar agents and why they can work at the chateau. It also kind of explains why they could get him out of SF instead of an ambulance.
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skasion posted:That was WAY better than any Disco episode, despite some clunky exposition and so-so dialogue and a surprising reliance on Nemesis. Might still collapse but they did some good work for themselves here. An 8 am interview in rural France would be like 3 in the morning in Massachusetts. Depending on the time of year, could be plenty dark.
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MichiganCubbie posted:I'm on board so far. I love the idea of the Romulans on the Borg Cube. Shades of the ST: Countdown comic from 2009 And new frontiers of evolution and possibility, like bio-droids, is exactly the kind of thing Q wanted Picard to explore in All Good Things...
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Jan 24, 2020 03:45
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As has been mentioned multiple times so far, the comic prequel to Picard has actually been pretty good, and it not only introduces Jean-Luc's Romulan carers, but it also gives backstory on one of the regulars for the rest of the season, the character played by Michelle Hurd. She was Picard's Number One on the flagship of the rescue fleet, a Starfleet Intelligence officer who specialised on the Romulan Empire and Tal'Shiar.
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Jan 25, 2020 00:17
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I do think we're getting Brent showing up in a non-dream capacity at some point. Lore would be a good bet, too, as they could have played off him being on set and in makeup as 'oh no, he's playing Data in a dream sequence'. Like they find Maddox and Picard sees a flash of yellow eyes and is all "Data?!?" and then Spiner does that smug tutting and "I'll give you one more guess, old man!"
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Jan 25, 2020 00:53
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Also, as someone who actually mostly likes DISCO, I was pleasantly surprised to see Dahj's fridged BF was a Xahean. In fact, the show was pretty good about using established Trek humanoid aliens, the make-up artist for the journalist was Bajoran, and one of the crew was a Trill.
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Jan 25, 2020 01:24
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nine-gear crow posted:That last tweet was the one I was referring to, yeah. Holy poo poo all the ones before it I want to sit her down in front of, oh, let's say, DS9's Past Tense and ask if it is also a 'bratty kid'.
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Jan 25, 2020 18:40
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especially that "Nebulous Past Trek From My Childhood knew how to do diversity right" one. Just... holy poo poo. What is she even saying.
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nine-gear crow posted:The Half in the Bag review of Captain Marvel is basically Jay going "Brie Larson should smile more" and Mike awkwardly going uhh. Which is also bizarre because half the movie is her smirking cockily... y'know, like a hotshot Air Force pilot would.
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Jan 25, 2020 19:28
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The Bloop posted:She's supposed to act like the complex person Carol Danvers / VERS rather than a simple archtype and I never saw a problem with her acting I think it is a fair criticism that the whole 'gaslit/brainwashed by the Kree' story is a misstep because it alienates (ha! puns) the audience from the character. Like, I get that the idea was probably to engage people with the mystery element, but considering the marketing and the property itself have really always been about Carol Danvers as a human lady who was in the USAF (and sometimes was a magazine editor... comics are weird) it's very odd to me that they've decided that the once or twice she's had amnesia in the comics is now the Most Important Part of her backstory. It'd be like if Spider-Man Far From Home spent the entire first half with Tom Holland growing two extra pairs of arms because of the one time the character did that in the comics in the 80s.
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Jan 25, 2020 20:28
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mllaneza posted:She was talking to an AI in that scene, it doesn't mean she didn't have a childhood with parents. She would apparently pass a medical scan - she fooled a tricorder at Chateau Picard - so there's no reason to think she didn't grow up like an actual human. She also passed the Daystrom Institute's background check, and had the academic qualifications (publications and references) to be offered a fellowship. Very hard to fake. I suspect the foster parent road is not where they're going with it, if only because Jurati (Alison Pill) suggested the science had only come close to making someone like Dahj relatively recently. Definitely not long enough for her to have been made as a baby and grown up naturally. If her subconscious programming let her hack Starfleet security feeds like Data, then it's not a stretch to think she could forge a digital paper trail for herself.
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Jan 26, 2020 01:00
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I think it's also fair to call out the journo about Dunkirk simply because she notes Picard wrote history books after he retired, so presumably at least one of them was about WW2.
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Until acid-spit-splosion, I was thinking the way Troi and Riker were going to come in was Picard taking Dahj to see them and have Troi actually use her psychiatry degree for once in helping her process the revelation.
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Jan 26, 2020 02:20
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Mooseontheloose posted:Farscape Well, Farscape worked more on the lines that time has a set course and while you can alter it to some degree, it's going to kind of elastically spring back to the general shape it was headed for.
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I do like the idea that Kirk made Bones buy them AGAIN after they got back to the 23rd century.
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Jan 26, 2020 21:21
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Powered Descent posted:I think I'm going to go huff a paper bag full of mycelial spores until I understand time travel. Pleased to have you with us, Commander Stamets.
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marktheando posted:Anyway, never mind FTL and time travel, my favourite thing that makes no sense in Star Trek is how they can use the universal translator to pretend to be native speakers. Why doesn't their lip movement give them away? Because until DISCO and Beyond, the lip movements matched perfectly! 
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Jan 27, 2020 00:25
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Yeah the idea that the Federation has ever been anything but a thin stand in for the US or if you're being generous, maybe NATO or the UN is pretty hollow, I think. In the 60s, they were in a cold war with a competing super-power with a distinctly different ideology. In the 80s they'd made peace with that same power, partly because a new leader had made the regime more moderate and everyone was convinced no wars would happen ever again and we can all swim with dolphins and chill with crystals at the Mariott convention center... except they did and we get poo poo like the Cardassians coming up around the time of the first Gulf War. It's actually when Trek tries to be non-political that it tends to be at it's worst: See VOY and the first half or so ENT.
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Last issue of the comic tie-in came out today, and it really feels like they had more story planned and then an editor said "you're getting 3 issues, so we're cutting the second act altogether". Picard's crew retake the ship basically off-screen, Zhaban turns heel and back again in like 3 pages, and there's a surprise 'Picard pulled some strings with a foreign power' thing like in The Defector that isn't really set up ahead of time. It was kind of a trip reading it now knowing that Laris has an Irish accent, though.
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Handsome Wife posted:Their backstory was given in the prequel comics (so I've heard, I haven't read them) - they're both former Tal'Shiar. Who sided with Picard and his trailer-living frenemy from the end there during a conflict that happened as part of the evac efforts. So Picard gave them basically political asylum (and got free labour).
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HD DAD posted:This is pretty disingenuous. Yeah, Georgiou shows up and starts fighting back, but that allows for Saru and Tilly to join in and take everyone down. And Saru rightfully put Georgiou in her place for wanting to kill Zareh. The entire point of the Saru/Georgiou argument was to have a microcosm of the main conflict of that episode, and what I’m guessing is the season - how Starfleet ideals can stand against cruelty. And Saru's actions in the fight basically show he could probably have dealt with the problem through violence from moment one had he decided to do so. I mean, Zareh didn't seem to know Kelpiens can shoot spines out of their ears at you, and Saru's apparently strong enough to break bones with a casual twist of his hand. (I feel like they should at least define what those spines do, though. I assume it's meant to be a mild paralytic for hunting prey, but I think in the Kelpien homeworld ep they were implied to basically be crossbow bolts)
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DrNutt posted:Call me boring but I do think the best outcome for that would be finding out that eventually the Vulcans and Romulans did manage to join together and live as one species, with Romulans able to resettle back on Vulcan (and possibly that they are one of the planets still carrying the torch for the federation, along with Klingons! Andorians and Tellarites or whatever). I realize this is playing it as safe and straight as it gets, but I think it would be nice to have at least one thing in the future that our heroes in the 23rd/24th/25th centuries hadn't done in vain. I hope they have like a holo-Spock that Michael can hang with, just to make sure he appears in all 3 parts of that story now, and it'd be neat to see Ethan Peck playing Young Spock's appearance but with Old Spock's personality and memories.
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Nov 1, 2020 01:38
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I will say I kinda wish they hadn't settled on the 1000 years in the future bit, given that a lot of the more silly elements would play better if it was like 300 years in the future. Still far enough that everyone they know is dead and you can still do the 'Fed is gone' story, but it doesn't have the weirdness of them flying around in a ship that would be like someone rocking up in a 13th century sailing vessel to modern day NYC. Like even the idea of quantum torpedoes still being the ordinance of choice is a classic 'TV writers don't do scale' issue because Starfleet went from no torpedoes to photon to quantum in about 200 years. Yet in 800 more years there's no advances?
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Technowolf posted:They built a Big, Beautiful Space Wall and made Pluto pay for it. President of Earth is actually Brunt's great-great-great(...)niece.
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As much as people are guilty of overstating their importance, a showrunner really is a big deal for a show's overall consistency and feel. Like, BSG was pretty solid about continuity and lore because Ron Moore gives a poo poo about those things. Discovery has had the double whammy of repeatedly losing their showrunner and having the overall direction of Trek over at Viacom/CBS being 'spectacle/feels in isolation' over long term development, at least of anyone bar the marquee star. Years of Netflix and others convincing the world that a streaming drama can't be episodic also hasn't helped much.
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Adira's a little bit weird in that the producers made a huge deal about an enby character on the show, but then in the episode we're using female pronouns and no attempt at correction. I'm guessing they're trying to do a coming out story where Adira gets more in tune with the Tal symbiote and realises they're non-binary, but that could've been included in the press stuff. Edit: I wish English had a way to differentiate between the plural 'they' and gender-neutral 'they'. Gaz-L fucked around with this message at 22:19 on Nov 4, 2020 |
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The confusion about the new characters is also compounded by the fact that the trans actor is actually playing a Trill, I believe. I assume we're meeting them in the next episode when Michael and Adira go there.
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They were a little weird about how long the Fed knew about the Trill. In the original TNG ep, they were mysterious and Crusher had no clue about the worms, but one of Dax's former hosts boned Bones (the gymnast, i think? Was that Emony?) so like... they had contact as far back as Discovery's era so....
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MikeJF posted:Always a violin or a cello or something, never an antagonistic undecagonstring. The first 2 seasons also felt like they barely left the ship for weeks at a time. And even when they did, it was to another ship or station that could easily be the Disco set re-dressed. They're shooting location stuff and in actual other settings this year. And they went to Iceland for the locations in the openers.
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twistedmentat posted:What was up with Detmer's haiku, I though she was having visions or something about Stamets being injured but nope, being kinda mean. I think it's always been implied Tilly's mother at least is a successful type-A sort of person who wasn't ever satisfied with Sylvia's achievements. That's why she's kind of obsessed with fast-tracking to captain, to make mommy proud finally. It would certainly make sense that they'd get invited to functions where ambassadors would be. HD DAD posted:Detmer finally cracked after suffering from PTSD and bottling up everything. You can say some nasty stuff when you lose control like that. I'm glad they used Culber as the one who caught on to it as well, it's a welcome break from Michael driving every plot point and makes sense that he's sensitive to that kind of trauma after his experiences last season. I actually also like how Detmer's storyline actually adds a little development to Owosekun as well as Detmer. The last few episodes Owosekun's been worried supportive friend (or more?) which isn't MUCH, but is way more than they've gotten before.
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Detmer's breakdown was also mostly about her own poo poo, Stamets was just a convenient target. It's about how freaked out she is at driving a ship when she's been present for one ship being totally destroyed and this one crashing. The Stamets stuff was 'you get to bamf us around and everyone cheers, if i gently caress up we ALL DIE OH GOD'
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Arquinsiel posted:She used to be Airiam. But not that Airiam, the first one.
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I'm very sad we didn't get to see Saru give out goodie bags at his dinner party. I want to see Georgiou with a colouring book. EDIT: I also appreciate that they got the same voice actor to play the ship's AI from the Short Trek. (who is apparently Chris Pine's SO?) Gaz-L fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Nov 6, 2020 |
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skasion posted:This is always true though, night shift people don’t get to be on the show. Except Data Or Harry Kim, who then goes back to his hole at the back of the bridge when Janeway wakes up to put in another 8 hours.
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Saru's probably the most similar to Picard as a captain, really.
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Eighties ZomCom posted:I just assumed that it never occurred to the Trill to look outside their species for hosts, especially since the whole process has become a religion since the 24th century. You can see how they reacted to Adira when they met her, basically acting like it was blasphemy. In fairness, the Trill governor guy only freaked out fully once Adira couldn't recite the name of their past hosts or even identify themself as Adira Tal, and they and Burnham talked about Tal as an 'it'.
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Powered Descent posted:Disco s03e04 thoughts in random order, trying to make it mostly stuff that hasn't already been said: I mean... one good way to find out about the Federation is to, like, go there? Which is what they're trying to do? Are people wanting them to sit for an episode watching Space PBS and Vulcan Ken Burns documentary series on the Klingon-Tamarian War or the Pakled uprisings?
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HD DAD posted:Saru: “I remember reading a rather incomplete entry on something referred to as the Kosst Amojan. Perhaps we should investigate further.” Adira: *grabs PADD and smashes it* "Sorry, reflex from one of my former hosts".
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mehall posted:There are probably too many characters to flesh them *all* out. I think Culber is the CMO, actually. Pollard only has lieutenant's pips, I think, and Culber is a lieutenant-commander. Plus he was reporting the crew's health status to the captain directly.
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The idea of Seven/Annika never having been assimilated in the new timeline is at least a possible hint to a better central conflict. "Time is hosed up, let's put it back" is a fairly external conflict, but "time is messed up... but our friend didn't have the most traumatic experiences of the first 30 years of her life happen in this version" gives you plenty of routes to take it. Hell, give me Stewart and Ryan yelling at each other, Steward and deLancie snarking at each other, Stewart and Whoopi arguing over it. Hell, the biggest issue with season 1 is "a bunch of Data's 'children' are in danger" should be enough stakes for Picard himself and thus for us to care. Robo-Cthulhu coming to eat the universe is going way past any kind of reasonable scale that anyone other that Kurtzman can care about. Gaz-L fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Jun 19, 2021 |
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In fact, with Rios seeming to still be in Starfleet, and Soji seeming to be some kind of bigwig, I'm guessing it's a "time is hosed... but Picard & co are all doing better personally" type thing, which also feels like it gives Q some scenery to chew on.
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