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holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

Technowolf posted:

Nah, its gonna be a "we didn't realize these water-filled meatsacks were even sentient" deal.

How would that lead to a visually incomprehensible CGI gently caress and suck finale?

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holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

Finally got through the first 3 episodes of Picard last night. Seems good but man 7 episodes more is an eternity of things to screw up.

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

Big Mean Jerk posted:

You know what?

I’m not going to complain about modern ship designs anymore.

Because twitter just exposed me to someone’s idea of stapling a detachable Defiant onto a Sovereign :barf::barf::barf:

https://twitter.com/seantourangeau/status/1510422731031920652?s=21&t=7qYFWTu48sNUlc-kb41aXw

How did they draw it from so many different angles without realizing their error?

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

I don’t even remember the human child adoption. Was that the kid whose mom died in a mining accident or something?

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

okay now we just need to convince them to do a full 26 episode season, dud episodes and all

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

XboxPants posted:

It makes me absolutely thrilled that I know the crew better in two episodes of SNW than I did in two entire seasons of DISCO.

Also I liked the little carrot moment, I hope we see more of Spock and Hemmer being snide bitches together just to gently caress with people.

It was so funny in season 2 of Disco when they decided to do crew member drama but hadn’t even named half of them to that point that I’m aware of and everyone was just losing their poo poo over the cyborg robot lady for no onscreen reason.

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

Sounds great to me, I wouldn’t mind it if a Trek show managed to do find an X-Files type of rhythm. The DS9 baseball episode was pretty goofy, too.

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

The E does suck, but I can hardly even think of any shots where they really show it very well for an extended period of time.

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

My problem with detached nacelles is that I just can’t believe that this wouldn’t immediately be a target for new weapons to be developed that could disrupt the magnets holding them in place (I think magnets was the explanation they offered?)

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

Seemlar posted:

The only difference between conventional nacelles and detached nacelles is that detached ones don't have a little ship crippling "shoot here" target that nobody ever actually shoots

Every Star Trek battle against Starfleet should be enemies concentrating fire on the nacelles and the bridge, this isn't done because knowing the one weird trick to end all fights against Starfleet designs instantly isn't actually interesting or entertaining.

That’s a good point. Honestly, I’d just love for someone to try to write a Discovery tech manual because it would be pretty funny for them to try to explain all of the bullshit they cooked up in a semi convincing way like the TNG manual.

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

Powered Descent posted:

"The flamethrowers (directly derived from similar units at the Indiana Jones Stunt Spectacular show at 21st-century Disney World) are placed at 30-degree angles around the entire circumference of the bridge. They are under computer control and powered by the main EPS grid."

“During particularly emotional moments, Zora was known to activate them to alert the crew to her mental distress. The crew would then respond by seeing and hearing Zora.”

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

is chabon actually a good writer outside of picard? I read the details of some of his stuff and it sounds like insanely on the nose crap

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

I’m glad their quarters look more like the TNG quarters, those big windows are comfy as poo poo. The Disco quarters look like dorm rooms and people only ever go to them to cry.

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

Eimi posted:

without ever going into them or understanding.

I’ve been assured by everyone on discovery (including the ship) that they have felt seen.

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

That whole M'Benga plot was driving me crazy.

This would be a time when civilians aren't allowed on Starfleet ships and you're telling me he just managed to emergency transport his daughter into the pattern buffer somehow and just keep her there? Hemmer just then noticed a considerable power drain in medical? How is a doctor able to override a refit/upgrade order, especially when it pertains to biofilters?The fact that this is now canonically something that M'Benga and Scotty figured out how to do implies (to me) that it would be common knowledge to some extent. Are there people on earth doing a future version of cryogenic freezing and just storing themselves in pattern buffers? Also, isn't storing a pattern incredibly intensive on the ship's computers? I'm recalling an episode of DS9 where they couldn't rematerialize the crew and the ship's computers just dumped them wherever it could and that ended up being Quark's holosuites along with a lot of data loss, if I'm remembering right.

Anyways, now there's a 7 year old child saved in the computer that they can throw out whenever they need some more drama.

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

Khanstant posted:

give me carpet or give me death

yes, I know it’s considered gross now but goddamn carpeted starships are comfy

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

Eimi posted:

Who considers carpet gross?

Pretty much everyone I thought? I don’t mind it but there’s a reason everyone is putting down laminate like crazy.

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

TMP is good. I love the sets, they look like a community college built in the early 70s.

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

That was excellent, I love any episode where they do some desperate submarine type poo poo (the DS9 episode where they use Nog to communicate with engineering comes to mind). If I had any complaint it would be that I wish they’d dial back the intensity just a tiny bit. No more save the universe plot that nu-Trek loves but now the Enterprise is just being put into life or death situations every single episode. Give me some poo poo where they have to help a deaf/mute negotiator or something.

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

Did I miss how La’an got off of the nest planet? Sure seems like Starfleet is not interested in loving with the Gorn.

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

so the gorn are horror movie monsters that realized if they free the last girl she can’t kill them :hmmyes:

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

I think there was a space tube in disco too

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

I think you’d please no one with a Voyager remake. People that love it seem to like the fact that it’s just sort of a goofy show. Tonally, it’s a mess and most of the cast is wasted. If they remade it, it would absolutely just be bleak like BSG given how most of nu-Trek has turned out.

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

They should just go to a relatively unexplored era. We've covered TOS, they clearly don't really want to touch the fallout of the Dominion war since Prodigy is set far enough away to disregard it and Lower Decks just jokingly references it, the destruction of Romulus is stupid and just ties their hands even further. The period between TOS and TNG would be interesting, or maybe just doing what TNG did and going like 100 years out from the destruction of Romulus and showing us a galaxy with a new status quo and building from there.

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

Charity Porno posted:

Also as lovely as The Rise of Skywalker was, I suspect it had way more to do with Disney than Abrams, Rian Johnson did a huge (awesome IMO) divergence from the content of prior Star Wars stories and Disney definitely panicked.

I mean, I don’t think anyone could have followed up on TLJ very well. He basically just decimated every potential ongoing plot point and tied everything up.

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

Rewatching The Orville to prepare for season 3 and wow new Trek really leans on the “make sure everything looks cool!” aesthetic instead of calming down and telling a story.

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

maybe kylo could’ve been like piccolo

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

CLAM DOWN posted:

this is fat riker erasure

gonna take more than that

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

chglcu posted:

The ending of DS9 focused a bit to much on rehabilitating Damar, and the Bajor stuff was a bit boring, but goddamn it, Ezri was cute, so I don’t really mind.

It’s actually been a while since I watched the last season of DS9, but that’s mostly how I remember feeling. Really need to go through the whole series again sometime. I usually end up stopping a few seasons in.

I liked Damar becoming cool

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

As someone who only got into Trek in the past few years, I was pretty amazed at how Uhura had basically no character until the movies. She’s a pretty beloved character so I wasn’t expecting that at all.

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

I think it really is just because episodic Trek works better. I remember almost all of the Short Treks despite most of them being pretty forgettable. Couldn’t hardly tell you anything from Discovery past season 1 or Picard.

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

I was dying at Spock and T’Pring looking at their reflections and having that understated logical reaction.

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

Trying to get through the last 3 episodes of Picard I didn’t watch. Good lord.

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

If I have any complaint about the sets it’s one that I think carries across all of the nu-Trek shows and it’s that I don’t really have a good sense of how the ship is laid out. I can imagine myself on the original Enterprise, the D, Voyager, I would know how to get around them. I never had a sense of how Discovery is laid out and connected and so far that sense has continued to the SNW Enterprise. I think it feels way more inviting than Discovery and the sets are beautiful. Maybe this is just a weird complaint that’s specific to me or something that’ll be alleviated as we see more of the ship.

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

Khanstant posted:

I wish more trek ships had the spinning things going on. Although discovery's spins aren't related to artificial gravity since they just use magic-fake-selective-gravity across all Trek, it does make the ship look more dynamic and interesting. There's a lot wrong with Disco but the ship is loving cool, the effects are cool, the sound effects it makes elicit a reaction of joy and amusement rather than "hey turn it down!" Also spore drive effect is way better than the halfass star wars poo poo most Trek ships pull.

The black alert effects were so cool in season 1

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

Big Mean Jerk posted:

I’d honestly choose Disco over Picard. Disco is dumb but I like some of the cast, it’s nice to see genuine and varied representation being given a priority, and at it least occasionally has good ideas.

Picard is just a massive disappointment. Getting to make a Star Trek show and then setting your entire season in basically-modern-day LA is an offense that should get you banned from ever working on the franchise again.

I actually thought season 1 of Disco was pretty enjoyable, Picard doesn’t have anything good.

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

oh that’s true I was really into the first 2 episodes of season 2, which only made the fall even worse.

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

Picard recreating the famous scene where Sam Beckett finds himself in the shoes of a mentally handicapped man

holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

zoux posted:

Picard's problems start and stop with the fact that Patrick Stewart is 30-40 years older than he was on TNG and he can't bring the same gravity and prescience to the role. Oh also the premise is loving stupid.

The weird thing to me is that I thought Patrick Stewart was playing Picard as a slightly bumbling old guy because that’s what he became, but seeing him in interviews he comes across as a lot sharper so he’s playing it this way on purpose.

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holefoods
Jan 10, 2022

Feels weird when podcasts with high profile hosts who should have some kind of financial stability go so hard on paywalls. Not saying they shouldn’t get anything from it, but when it’s more paywalled than a moderately successful pod it feels greedy.

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