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Payndz posted:I've been of the firm opinion that Akiva Goldsman is a terrible, terrible writer since the frickin' Nineties, and nothing with his name on it that I've seen has ever been any good. Yet somehow he keeps getting high-profile, highly-paid work in Hollywood. Yeah, ever since I've been into film discussion as a teenager Goldsman has been a widely accepted hack and the savvy have known that him getting attached to a project is a death knell for its quality. But unfortunately for us, people are successful in Hollywood if they're easy to work with, deliver on time and under budget, don't push back on executive notes, and ultimately make profitable content. Quality of end product isn't really a factor—Hollywood is a business first and foremost. One could argue that they have to be careful about damaging the brand long-term, but Trek fans have shown themselves to roll with the punches well at pretty much every turn. They're still in charge of Trek because fans are paying for CBS All Access and talking passionately about Star Trek on social media. They'll only care that you don't like it when you stop engaging. And if you're posting in this thread, well... feedmyleg fucked around with this message at 16:51 on May 16, 2020 |
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Honestly, that's an optimistic view. It'll be about some dark secret at the heart of Starfleet and will make everyone hate the OS characters due to incredibly melodramatic and off-model takes on their characters.
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May 16, 2020 19:38
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I still like to hope that sometime in the next few decades Ron Moore is given another shot.
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May 17, 2020 03:11
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Now these are some ideas I can get behind.
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May 17, 2020 23:20
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Technowolf posted:Akiva Goldsmith told Variety that SNW would be more episodic and more optimistic. But take this with a grain of salt. Somehow I missed this and didn't see those details reported elsewhere. I am choosing to blindly believe that everything will be exactly as I hope despite the creative team, franchise history, and all other evidence to the contrary. I will only stop doing so post-quarantine, at which point my shriveled heart will no longer require Good Things to hold on to and I will at that point switch back to being a cynical jerk about it.
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May 19, 2020 23:18
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Can't wait til Kurtzman and Goldsman write a Q story and turn it into a dour melodrama. Though if Q has to be brought in ala Mudd, who be a great re-cast? Other than just continuing to use John de Lancie.
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May 25, 2020 02:40
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Hipster_Doofus posted:Absofuckinglutely. Assuming he still has decent acting chops. Has he been active at all? Sounds like he works for the UN and has no interest in acting from some interview I found.
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May 25, 2020 04:43
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AI-agumentation is way more likely to happen and is infinitely more interesting. As soon as you can jam a new RAM chip equivalent into your brain and have a neural network perform menial thinking tasks and have all the internet's information a picosecond away you stop thinking at human speeds. An hour is functionally an eternity if you can do a lifetime's worth of thinking in that span. And if that's the case, then you no longer think or act like a human traditionally would and become post-human.
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May 27, 2020 21:06
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Your grandkids are going to tease you relentlessly for that position.
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May 27, 2020 21:28
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Having to sit alone with my own thoughts for the past 3 months is madness-inducing enough. A million years of the same would not be good for my mental health.
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May 28, 2020 18:12
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Snow Cone Capone posted:You know what's zero-risk if you can't die? massive amounts of mind-altering chemicals Clearly you don't realize how much weed I've smoked in quarantine.
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May 28, 2020 19:30
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Do you really think Kurtzman and Goldsman need studio pressure to make something flashy, action-oriented, and melodramatic?
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May 31, 2020 16:52
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Snow Cone Capone posted:It is kind of weird how hard they pushed the dog and the vineyard - I think that's like 99% of what we saw before the show actually aired. You gotta push the most fan-service-y footage beforehand to assure your viewers that they're about to get what they want! Regardless of reality.
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Jun 1, 2020 17:41
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Yes, it doesn't matter what creatives you have attached to a project, in the end it's totally random whether or not any given production will turn out to be good or bad.
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Jun 2, 2020 03:20
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Drink-Mix Man posted:I've worked on projects that were lovely for all kinds of reasons that had nothing to do with the talent level of the people that received the blame. Same. But I've never worked on any projects which succeeded with incompetent leadership. Goldsman and Kurtzman have laughable track records.
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Jun 2, 2020 04:32
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pyrotek posted:Is there even a trailer for Lower Decks? Yep, right here.
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AntherUslessPoster posted:Its animated in trailer that there is a lower rear section (rear end) where the 'lower decks' are. Trailer 
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Jul 2, 2020 13:25
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I'll give it a shot, even though I'm not at all sold by the trailer. Comedy trailers are tough, where your jokes aren't in context and are probably cut apart and the viewer doesn't know the characters' personalities. That being said, I was surprised at how dramatically ambitious it looked. Maybe I was just worried it would have a wacky Robot Chicken vibe or something, but I do see some promise in that it looks very story focused and emphasizes the relationships between the characters. The humor as shown didn't come off great, but I think that based on that trailer the show's got a chance of being enjoyable, and I'm not willing to write off the comedy quite yet.
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Jul 12, 2020 12:36
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Yeah, it might just be the eternal optimist in me, but I'm also willing to bet that this trailer was made to attract a specific crowd and it ain't Trek nerds.
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Jul 12, 2020 14:52
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Yeah, the scripts were a joke 
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Jul 12, 2020 16:09
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Martytoof posted:Clearly we just need to wait for the next horrible Star Trek thing to make us appreciate that [insert newest Star Trek here] isn't the worst thing they've ever done, is what I'm hearing.
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Jul 13, 2020 18:08
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I'd think the canon is a square/rectangle situation—the events of Lower Decks aren't true for the rest of Trek, but the events of the rest of Trek are true for Lower Decks.
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Jul 14, 2020 00:11
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Drunk in Space posted:Tbh, it seems that Stewart was pushing for that kind of thing a lot earlier than people realize. I rewatched TNG recently while also checking out the background info for various episodes on Memory Alpha. The one for 'Captain's Holiday' (The Risa Indiana Jones ep) specifically states that the story came about because Stewart wanted more sex and action for Picard. Guy would've been Kirking it up way more early on if he'd had the creative control he has now. Any excuse to repost this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg_cwI1Xj4M
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Jul 20, 2020 13:59
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I want this Trek back 
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Jul 22, 2020 10:20
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DaveKap posted:But seriously at this point I'd rather watch a Q show than a Picard show.  at anyone who wanted a Picard show in the first place over a show about Q and Vash odd-coupling around the Gamma quadrant together robbing planets blind of their important religious and cultural artifacts.
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Jul 22, 2020 12:00
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Star Trek only caught on in the first place because it was for manchildren who read science-fiction pulp magazines and related to Spock's inability to understand emotion. Prodigy I can easily ignore, Lower Decks I think looks cute and I'll give it a chance, Discovery season 3 has promise with jumping ahead in time and I'll give it a shot for that, Strange New Worlds has a great cast and a great premise, and Picard, well, I can continue to not give a poo poo. From where I'm sitting, that's a better spot than we were in a few years back.
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Jul 23, 2020 21:59
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Well yeah, it was made by people who actually like Star Trek.
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Jul 26, 2020 15:58
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Welp, I'll take that flag as a confirmation that the story is going to be the exact bleak collapse-of-civilization nonsense we all expected. Oh well, nowhere to go but up.
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Jul 27, 2020 16:56
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FlamingLiberal posted:The only thing that might be superior to 31st century tech is
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Jul 27, 2020 22:03
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Let's all just go ahead and lower our expectations about them doing anything interesting with the premise. Gonna save a lot of heartbreak.
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Jul 28, 2020 01:46
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I was itching to cancel it by the end of the first episode.
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Jul 31, 2020 18:37
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Review for the first couple episodes of Lower Decks. Sounds like it's a fun, funny show that apes TNG as much as possible and leans hard into references and deep-cuts to the point where it might eventually get exhausting. But sounds promising, at the very least.
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Aug 5, 2020 20:03
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For how many Trek ship nerds are out there, I was really surprised to hear on a Trek YouTube channel just how few models actually have licensed toys. It seems like if you're going to cater to the base, really cater to them. Are 3D printers just killing that segment of the market?
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MikeJF posted:I really feel like this might have the potential to be actually quite good once they get past that. Get this optimism for the future out of my Star Trek thread!!
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Aug 6, 2020 14:26
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Thom12255 posted:That was far better than I ever expected. Far more fun than a season of Picard. TNG design elements are timeless and it's insane they've been abandoned in the live-action show. Iconic, sure. But timeless? I enjoy it and would love to see a natural evolution of it, but TNG has a very dated 90s aesthetic.
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Aug 6, 2020 15:22
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Can't imagine the show won't explore that at some point. "You think we have it bad?"
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Alright, finally watched it. I really enjoyed it, though definitely agree about being a touch bothered by characters acting like cartoons instead of people, like in the bar when Eugene Cordero and his date decide to keep casually chatting while their fellow crew members are turning into monsters in the middle of a chaotic outbreak. I mean of course they are cartoons, I get it, but it definitely feels like it breaks the reality a bit. Still, a minor complaint on the whole. Overall I thought it was a real fun time and I care far more about having an enjoyable fun show than whether it fits in with the other shows.
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Aug 6, 2020 23:56
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I only caught a few seconds of the preview for the rest of the season, but it looks like the Klingons are the pre-Disco design, so I'd imagine nobody's going to get too visually changed. But Ferengi in this show have a ton of potential for sure.
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Martytoof posted:It feels good to... feel good Deadline: Following Positive Fan Reactions, Alex Kurtzman Takes Over as Showrunner for Lower Decks
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Should've been an episode where her DNA was rewritten by a gaseous alien being.
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