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Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic
I thought I had read something in relation to Picard that Harry Kim was being earmarked for Prodigy.

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Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

mllaneza posted:

The best part was that they didn't do more of the bit than was needed to set up Captain Freeman's remark. That's smart comedy, don't ever run something into the ground.

I kind of felt like they took Badgey a bit far. I’m hoping they just quietly put Goodgey to bed, though his appearance in the reaction montage in the finale makes me suspect otherwise.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

Aces High posted:

Isn't that the logical Badgey? If there's one you want kicking around doing maintenance work, that's the one

I thought Badgey killed Logicey, but honestly, I was paying closer attention to the b-plot of the rehabilitation of Agimus and Peanut Hamper on that episode, so I’m not sure.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic
I believe the flashback also showed a classic TNG uniform, which would place it, at most, ca. 2271.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

swickles posted:

The flashback was just before an The First Duty, so we have an exact stardate.

Oh, I meant the Rutherford black ops flashback from last season.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

Burning_Monk posted:

Any good shots of the Cerritos' Captains Yacht?

From Jörg Hillebrand’s Bluesky:



Top is the yacht as it appeared in S2/S3, bottom is from the S4 finale.



Comparison between the S4 yacht and the Enterprise E’s from Insurrection.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

Khanstant posted:

these charts need a toyota camry and a person for scale. I want to see that Galaxy captain's yacht in action. It could also be the setting for a Trek sitcom episode, depending on the floor/room rotation situation inside.

I think the Type 6 is about the size of a Ford Transit van, if that helps.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic
I kept trying to use that one as a reference but even a VW Beetle is longer than it.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

Boxturret posted:

Oh on the topic of the Delta Flyer, why does its window have this odd pattern?

I vaguely remember the episode where they made it, but I don't recall if that ever gets mentioned.

I don’t think they ever addressed the window specifically, but I think there are a couple valid in-universe possibilities:

  • The Delta Flyer had ambiguous Borg-influenced technology courtesy of Seven of Nine, so the organic shapes might have something to do with that.
  • Tom Paris was inexplicably allowed to integrate a bunch of Captain Proton bullshit into the cockpit as though he’d be the only one to ever fly it, so maybe he cribbed that from it too.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic
I don’t think they were originally intended to have warp engines (which is why the nacelles lack the blue grills or red bussard collectors), but that makes that episode even more bizarre - they dumped Geordi in a shuttle to poke his way to Risa at impulse? Does it even have a toilet?

I guess Lower Decks show that at least some of them can go to warp - as Starbase 80 takes Mariner away in S3, the grills on the back of the shuttlepod flash as they go to warp.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

Big Mean Jerk posted:

Yeah it would truly be awful if other people enjoyed a thing you don’t like and were sad that it’s ending

If I’m being honest, I’ve abandoned a dozen plus replies to the thread because while I can deal with reading the negativity around Picard and, to a lesser extent, Disco, I don’t think I’d enjoy it being directed at me.

I’m just happy to get more Star Trek, even when it’s not my cup of tea.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

Der Kyhe posted:

Paramount used to send C&D's to Internet fan sites in Europe that had less than 100 active users if their content leaked to search and index sites, and this was in the 1990's.

They are absolutely known to be even worse than Disney for carpet bombing everything and everyone for the sake of IPR protection.

I think they chilled out a little bit after the post-2000 fan films, when they realized that A) their cases hinged on establishing that the fan productions were indistinguishable by reasonable people from official Paramount productions which was perhaps more damning to Paramount than complimentary to the fan projects; and B) the cases could inadvertently enshrine greater protection to these fan projects in case law if they didn’t go Paramount’s way.

Now, I think they’re generally less litigious so long as you are pretty clear that what you’re producing isn’t official.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

dr_rat posted:

Hey he did direct and have a story by credit on this episode of CSI, and I haven't seen it but come on it's CIS it's got to be garbage!

I rest my case on why Tarantino is the worst writer/director of the 21st century, and would be awful at star trek.

The second half of this featured a pretty grisly-for-network-television-at-the-time guy blowing himself up, spraying his remains all over a room.

It was also an end-season cliffhanger that suggested one of the leads might not return, very Best of Both Worlds.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

The Chairman posted:

there's that interview with Ronald D Moore about how after DS9 wrapped up, he agreed to move over to Voyager's writing room for season 6 as a new co-executive producer with a lot of ideas about all the cool ways they could use the great setting the setting bible established and instantly ran face-first into a room full of back-biting burnouts who resisted every one of his proposals and just wanted to keep churning out technobabble episodes with a cool few action SFX shots where everything returns to the status quo in the last 2 minutes, so yeah pretty much

What I think’s really strange about RDM’s takeaway from that - that Star Trek desperately needed a break so that it resume with fresh eyes - was that he didn’t anticipate that it would result in a reboot when he himself would go on have no qualms about rebooting BSG. Seemingly all because he felt that Shatner and Nimoy were too iconic to recast, and too full of themselves to be gracious about it (well, one out of two on that point, at least then).

When it came to RDM’s transition to Voyager, I feel like he really wanted to keep writing DS9, but felt he could settle for TNG, which he assessed Voyager to be at that point (in no way do I believe he genuinely thought he’d get to run with the ideas from the series bible by then). He then discovered that while the end product might have been similar to that, the process very much was not, and that he had a lot less freedom to pursue what he wanted to pursue.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

wokow6 posted:

I've always been so weirded out by criticisms of it being too kiddie. Honestly, the only kiddie thing about the show is that the characters are understandably less mature than your usual ST cast, and have interests that fit their ages (eg the Holodeck episode).

IMO, I think most of that stems from the shortcut they took of making Dal extremely obnoxious earlier in the season to illustrate growth by the end of the season.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

Mooseontheloose posted:

Season 1 and 3 of Picard aren't that bad.

This is a franchise where the exemplars of show quality include “godlike being makes his pet human and friends cosplay Robin Hood to loosen up” and “department heads and bar staff take a break from a war to fight alien racism with the power of baseball.” Some folks take it way, way too seriously.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic
It’s not how I would have expressed it, but there’s a kernel of a point in that Reddit post. Canonizing a number of STO designs was nice community outreach and solved the photocopy-fleet problem from Picard S1. Harassing the production in connection with STO probably isn’t conducive to continuing that relationship in future endeavors.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic
We see Boimler assigned to holodeck waste removal, and Rom’s first job after leaving the bar was waste extraction, so there’s definitely still some manual undesirable labor.

Also you know holodeck waste removal has a ton of jizz.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic
Oh man, nobody’s ever written a script that didn’t get produced before.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

MikeJF posted:

Aside from TOS probably the friendship development that got the most strong attention was O'Brien and Bashir over on DS9?

DS9 definitely had the best-developed platonic relationships - O’Brien/Bashir, Quark/Odo, Sisko/Dax, Jake/Nog. Bashir/Garak, though the jury’s out on just how platonic that was, hah.

TNG had Geordi/Data, VOY had Tom/Harry, ENT had Archer/Trip and Trip/Reed.

TBH, I don’t know that the ten-episode season format of “modern” Trek series really lends itself well to showing us friendships versus telling us friendships, which is why I think it’s really awesome LD manages to pulls it off so effortlessly.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic
I thought Resurgence was the best Star Trek game I’ve played since the days of Elite Force / The Fallen (maybe STO is “good”, I can’t handle MMOs).

But I liked Picard, so by the standards of this thread I’m basically a pig enjoying slop.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic
Yeah, Star Trek has never had parallel societies where a parasitic ruling society takes advantage of a labor society, or technologically superior aliens housed in minerals looking to body-snatch our heroes.

If anything it’s almost derivative.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

Big Mean Jerk posted:

The problem had little to do with the actual plot, the game itself was just an absolute slog to play through. No one said it wasn’t Star Trek-y.

Alchenar posted:

The problems with Resurgence go beyond the fact that it's just a badly made game, after the first 30 minutes or so there's nothing recognisably Star Trek about the story at all.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

Alchenar posted:

Resurgence literally ends with a shrug and a 'well I don't really know what that was all about'.

I will agree that the game was in desperate need of a stronger coda after you “win”. Hell, it was in desperate need of correct LCARS fonts.

But to the rest of it, I think the moral lessons you’re looking for live in the choices you make, versus a “very special message” at the end of the “episode”. Maybe I need to play it through again and not be the very model of a modern major general, as it might reveal otherwise, but I appreciated that those moments were more of the ones you were in control over, even if they didn’t really affect the final destination that much.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic
I read it and assumed it meant like 20 years before Kelvin-Kirk stumbled into command of the Enterprise, not 20 years before he was born.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

External Organs posted:

The Return I think and yeah it loving rules

Brawnfire posted:

A MATTE BLACK Defiant-class

Is that before or after a bunch of Borg cubes Voltroned into a giant hammer to try to destroy something?

I actually liked the idea that V’Ger was the result of the Voyager probe visiting the Borg homeworld, but it’s a wild ride otherwise.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

zoux posted:

Also a Borg mind playplace where you can go be your normal unassimilated self is another massive blow to the threat and mystique of the borg courtesy of Voyager.

In all fairness to Voyager, the Borg were defanged a little bit more every time they were used, even on TNG (and I’m including BOBW in that with its deus ex positronica conclusion).

Unimatrix Zero was disappointing because, like a lot of Voyager, it just didn’t live up to its potential. For example, I think it could have been really interesting if the Queen had ended up as her unassimilated self there and had to explore who she was - maybe someone who actually wanted to be assimilated, for example?

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

Professor Beetus posted:

One thing I thought was funny was seeing the twist with the conspiracy theory girl coming a mile away because I was like "hey beanie like :spock: "

Her complaint about how all of it was supposed to happen in the 90s was easily my favorite line of the season.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic
  1. TOS
  1. TAS
  1. STI
  1. STII
  1. STIII
  1. STIV
  1. TNG
  1. STV
  1. STVI
  1. DS9
  1. STVII
  1. VOY
  1. STVIII
  1. STIX
  1. ENT
  1. STX
  1. ST09
  1. STID
  1. STB
  1. DIS
  1. ST
  1. PIC
  1. LDS
  1. PRO
  1. SNW

No, I did not misformat the list. :colbert:

Watch as I missed something.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

Mega Comrade posted:

There is no up in space

You wouldn’t know it from how Star Trek depicts it!

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

8one6 posted:

So those transporter arches from STP. Imagine you're a tourist visiting Earth for the first time and you accidentally wander through the wrong arch and instead of New York you end up randomly in Los Angeles, or Boston, or Mexico city, or Cairo or something.

Maybe it’s the first version of the magical commbadge transporters from Disco, those seem to be able to take you wherever you want to go without any interaction.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

John Wick of Dogs posted:

I predict the plot of Section 31 will be Michelle Yeoh destroying it because through her experiences she has learned their thinking is wrong. And that's why Section 31 in DS9 times is just one weirdo.

Hell, do it one better and have her wipe out the ability to cross over to the mirror universe while she’s at it and it’s practically perfect. Cap both of those wells.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

MikeJF posted:



lol is geordi gonna bang holo-leah

I’m trying to decide which special feature is the best: “Cumshot recap” for the Memory Alpha completionists, “Special Format Compatible with IPOD®” for watching your TNG porn parody on the go, or “Party Version” for watching your TNG porn parody with friends.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

Taear posted:

I mean what do you think they mean by fake?

I assume they mean bought and paid for by studios.

And sure, to a degree that’s true. You see “For Your Consideration” billboards in LA and full-page takeover ads on variety.com all the time. That’s advertising directly to people who vote for these awards.

However, the idea that the awards are elaborate kayfabe? It’s comfortable, perhaps, but I don't think its very realistic - otherwise I'm sure Netflix or Amazon would have paid for a Best Picture by now. And in this case, I don’t think Paramount would be able to out-spend Disney.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

Boxturret posted:

Which uhhhh.....doesn't make any sense considering that cube like...blew up

First Contact, the least TNG-like TNG movie posted:

Captain Jean-Luc Picard: Yes, I... I remember you. You were there all the time. But... that ship... and all the Borg on it were destroyed...
Borg Queen: You think in such three-dimensional terms. How small you've become.

It’s super-easy to handwave away - they could have assimilated a ship at Wolf 359 and sent a bunch of randos back to the Delta Quadrant so that the Collective could learn more about their biology or something.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic
It’s been a bit since I’ve seen the episode, so the specifics might be a bit off. I think what I found a little off-putting about it was kind of due to the nature of the show.

From a storytelling perspective, we as the audience know this bit is going to be wrapped up by the time the credits roll, so it’s a little hard to take the trauma on offer seriously. It’s also “trying on” a minority experience, which is a really hard line for a work of fiction to walk successfully.

in addition, TNG was still recovering from Roddenberry’s edict that humanity was beyond interpersonal conflict and hyper-competent at what they chose to do, so it basically forced Troi to act quite out-of-character for what we’d see of someone in-universe, even if it wasn’t out-of-character as a reasonable response as we’d know it.

Finally, and I hesitate a bit on this since it’s a knock against Sirtis and/or her direction and/or the writing of her character, but the portrayal of Troi was rarely subtle, IMO.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

Small Strange Bird posted:

I liked the background consoles from the ST3 Excelsior, but it's always bugged me that above them is just this sweeping gray expanse of nothing. At least paint a couple of panel lines or stick some greeblies up there!



The captain of the Excelsior having a riding crop is such a good detail that instantly, hilariously, tells us all we need to know about the guy.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

TheCenturion posted:

It's actually a swagger stick.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swagger_stick

In the EU, he claims that he 'wrested it from a Klingon warrior in hand to hand combat' but nobody believes him. I think that was in Prime Directive? Which is actually a really fun classic Star Trek story.

:colbert:

Wikipedia posted:

A swagger stick is a short stick or riding crop usually carried by a uniformed person as a symbol of authority.

I found that too when I had one of those “is that really a thing” moments for “riding crop”, but decided to use the more common term because “swagger stick” is so absurd it sounds made up.

Khanstant posted:

Really a disturbing lack of trees onboard these ships. I think blueprints sometimes have em but I don't recall any series having their atrium set up as stages. Disco had that room with a spore forest on it at one point but wasn't much of a hangout spot.

The ship’s arboretum showed up on TOS and, a couple times, TNG.

TNG’s especially is why I don’t put a lot of stock in any complaints about set design on modern Trek, because at least they don’t look like that.

Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

Taear posted:

There's something kinda magical to me about the idea of a lead actor writing fanfiction about his own character.
It's so unbelievably Shatner

I mean I never want to read them but I like that they exist

They are a hell of a thing. I think the last one I read was one where it started with Kirk and Picard having a vacation together.

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Blue Moonlight
Apr 28, 2005
Bitter and Sarcastic

Timby posted:

Shatner didn't actually write them.

No, but there’s undeniably poo poo in there that you know Shatner picked up the phone and yelled at the Reeves-Stevens’.

You know they didn’t come up with a bunch of Borg Cubes Voltron-ing together into a hammer to try to fight a jet-black Defiant class ship with ENTERPRISE painted on the hull.

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