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attn: goons, i have reached back into the glorious 8000 year history of the USA and am now making available my new TAM (Traditional American Medicine) cure for this virus for a limited time offer only. this rigorous regimen of powdered bullfrog balls, powdered buffalo balls, and powdered monarch butterfly balls is guaranteed to be 100% effective at nourishing your qi, and nearly that effective at preventing the virus. PMs are open!
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Jan 27, 2020 17:34
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Lambert posted:Traditional American Medicine is not being able to afford a hospital visit and eating as many burgers as possible. this is neo-TAM nu-TAM will be that the burgers are made out of powdered bullfrog balls
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Jan 27, 2020 17:42
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good thing for me my fluids are all-natural and organic
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Jan 28, 2020 02:07
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Sten Freak posted:Video taken from inside a Wuhan hospital showing 3 bodies covered in the hallway. imagine how much fun it is to be one of the people sitting there for hours or even days, in a small mask as people in full protection shuffle around and dead bodies start to accumulate
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Jan 28, 2020 20:42
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Flowers for QAnon posted:Spent the day at SFO, ask me about my Wuhan. how's it wuhanging?
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Jan 29, 2020 00:33
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you want the flu? you can't wuhandle the flu!
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Jan 29, 2020 02:00
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collapsing is probably a good way to get medical attention more quickly than continuing to stand in line for days if i was over there and thought i might have the bug i'd probably walk into a hospital and fall over
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Jan 30, 2020 14:58
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Bape Culture posted:So what does this actually mean. the WHO makes recommendations and states are legally obligated to follow them
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Jan 30, 2020 20:55
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Enfys posted:WHO recommendations are not enforceable, they are just recommendations oh i checked wikipedia and thought that was what it said -_- oh well the bit where it says "Under the 2005 International Health Regulations (IHR), States have a legal duty to respond promptly to a PHEIC.[2]"
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Jan 30, 2020 21:06
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unfortunately we're just likely to get sick, it's the old and infirm (those lucky fucks!) who get to enjoy the sweet release of death
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Jan 31, 2020 14:17
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my guess is that this disease is pretty widely spreading already but most people don't have severe symptoms, apparently under 0.5% of infected middle aged people have died and even fewer younger people so it's basically just another way for pneumonia to hit older people. seems pretty possible it will just become a disease we see every year
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Jan 31, 2020 14:59
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i guess we will find out!
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Jan 31, 2020 17:09
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the plan for people reporting the virus is to send them to Wuhan
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Jan 31, 2020 17:54
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fearmongering
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Jan 31, 2020 22:04
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Books On Tape posted:Multiply these by at least ten to get the real numbers, guaranteed. So, almost 3,000 dead, over 100,000 infected. infected yes, dead no
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Feb 1, 2020 01:24
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that's 2019-nCoV
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Feb 1, 2020 05:49
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good batte
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Feb 1, 2020 22:40
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yes but as time goes on it seems that the virus is more spreadable and less deadly than initially thought
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Feb 2, 2020 19:05
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i thought this was an interesting tidbit Single Mutation Could Significantly Enhance Wuhan Coronavirus quote:Decade-long structural studies by Fang Li of the University of Minnesota, et al. have shown how the SARS virus (SARS-CoV) interacts with animal and human hosts in order to infect them. The mechanics of infection by the Wuhan coronavirus appear to be similar. These investigators used the knowledge they gleaned from multiple SARS-CoV strains — isolated from different hosts in different years — and angiotensin-converting enzyme-2 (ACE2) receptors from different animal species to model predictions for the novel Wuhan coronavirus. (Both viruses use ACE2 to gain entry into the cell, but it serves normally as a regulator for heart function.) probably won't happen but that would be something for sure really the disturbing (yet predictable) news is that there's a third patient in india - and given what we know about its transmissible it's hard to imagine that it hasn't started spreading there as well. i don't think i'd like to be sick in wuhan right now but i do know i'd rather be sick there than in kolkata. and ofc africa is in a similar boat
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Feb 3, 2020 21:08
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it'll be ok just as long as everyone always washes their hands for 20 seconds after using the restroom and before eating
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Feb 3, 2020 22:58
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also sometimes three or even four tests have been needed to show a positive. i'm sure many infected people have been sent home with unspecified viral pneumonia after testing negative
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Feb 4, 2020 02:02
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no the virus was not engineered
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Feb 4, 2020 15:18
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SpaceGoatFarts posted:OK maybe not engineered, but could the lab be the source of it? That would be very damaging for China's image so it's normal they would cover it up NO. jesus christ. Hopper posted:Nah I meant more because of claims that it doesn't have to do with the fish market and they obfuscated the real source/timeline. it looked like that was the common cause at the start of it so that was what was reported. as more data comes in yes it looks like it may have come from elsewhere initially. that doesn't mean anybody was necessarily purposefully lying about it
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Feb 4, 2020 15:23
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it was covered up initially because there was a series of important CCP meetings coming up and no bad news was allowed. for about two weeks there were 0 new infections reported and afterwards is when they started reporting infections again. so yes it was totally mismanaged, it was probably spreading in november with people getting weird pneumonia, by december it was obvious to frontline people that there was something going on but local officials didn't want to hear about it, only wanted to keep it quiet until the party business was over at least. and this was when they thought it didn't transmit from person to person (now we know that's because it was transmitting asymptomatically). so it was a huge mistake and if they had done it differently it would be a much better situation today yes there was a coverup, no the coverup was not to hide some sort of secret bioengineering weapon release. just standard CCP cover your rear end coverup
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Feb 4, 2020 15:30
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riseofmydick posted:I have aspergers so I think of everything logically this may be my own fault. you think you think logically, maybe
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Feb 4, 2020 17:22
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i'm going to try to find the thing written by another medical person saying that article is nothing but baloney https://twitter.com/biskits_n_gravy/status/1223640553960722434?s=20 https://twitter.com/klausenhauser/status/1223602099512127488?s=20 not surprisingly it's harder to find than the people freaking out about it Mozi fucked around with this message at 18:10 on Feb 4, 2020 |
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Feb 4, 2020 18:00
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He was willing to give his life for his country but in his own time of need his country isn't there for him. Not exactly an uncommon story.
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Feb 4, 2020 18:11
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it's likely there are lots of unreported cases all over the place because many people show minimal if any symptoms this virus is a weird mix of 'it's not really that bad as all that' and 'it's really bad'
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Feb 4, 2020 19:22
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Chrs posted:I raised this few pages ago and asked how reliable a news source they are and no one really answered me i'd never heard of them before but all they're doing is collating and collecting other officially published stats. nothing i've seen them post has been speculative or unsourced
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Feb 5, 2020 14:39
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man, that sounds rough. doctors doing 12 hour shifts with only one suit of protective clothing so you can't eat or drink or go to the bathroom
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Feb 5, 2020 16:38
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Pawn 17 posted:From the article: man this is just BS certainly the official count doesn't reflect reality, but they don't have an additional secret set of numbers that reflects the actual ill/dead. they probably have some math people doing model simulations that say there might be such and such numbers but there is no way that the numbers reported here actually come from a secret tally the government is hiding
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Feb 5, 2020 18:57
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Pawn 17 posted:Why would the government not keep track of the actual numbers internally? think about how this would be possible to keep track of real numbers, when there is a shortage of test kits, that test kits are unreliable, that many people have mild symptoms, and that people may be dying at home you just can't get these numbers right now. you can do math to guess what they are, but you can't walk around tallying them up believe me I don't trust the CCP in general but there are limitations to what anybody can actually know in these situations
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Feb 5, 2020 19:03
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like what? "a hundred people came into X and X hospital today, 50 tested negative and then we ran out of tests, so.... let's call it, maybe, 30 infected?" i don't see how that's any better it's ok to accept uncertainty. certainly there are many more dead and sick than the official numbers, but that's just because of the nature of how they are counted. i do believe the math people when they said a week ago there were high five figured infected and that's also valuable information. i just don't need there to be some great source of truth that is being hidden from us and yes there are additional issues where in China the cause of death for a lot of these probably won't reflect the virus which is annoying but apparently just how things are done there i don't mean to diminish how awful it must be for many people affected by this, which could very well just be the start of a larger global issue (imagine if it was spreading in Bangladesh, India, African slums...). but everyone getting excited about the most extreme stuff getting tossed out online just removes us further from seeing what is actually happening in reality Mozi fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Feb 5, 2020 |
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Feb 5, 2020 19:11
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Pawn 17 posted:So we should just unquestioningly trust the official numbers? Numbers from the same government that when his started rather than taking preventative action and asking for international help, moved to suppress doctors and reporters. China under reporting the numbers has real life consequences for people, especially in China. you are doing the opposite of getting real information out. you are spreading complete bullshit as if it were or might be fact. i specifically said i don't trust the CCP and that you need to accept that perfect information is impossible to obtain in any case. accept uncertainty and know what you can't know for sure. the recent moves by the CCP indicate they accept that economic damage will happen as a result of this. i don't know how it will shake out - possible global recession? - but I would really love to see your source of China saying 'everything is totally fine' just to be totally clear i personally despise the CCP and in general do not trust them at all so it's weird having to defend them to any length Mozi fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Feb 5, 2020 |
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Feb 5, 2020 20:42
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I think the most accurate numbers currently would be from models, as we know more about how this spreads they will become more and more accurate - currently maybe something on the order of 100k people infected in China on the higher end. I certainly don't mean to downplay the seriousness of the situation at all. And this was a good article. The initial response to the outbreak was bungled to the extent that it is undeniable and people are noticing. Coronavirus Crisis Shows China’s Governance Failure quote:Wuhan’s mayor blamed higher-ups. A senior disease control official blamed layers of bureaucracy. A top government expert blamed the public: The people, he said, simply didn’t understand what he told them.
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Feb 5, 2020 21:31
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China is reporting confirmed cases and people who were confirmed to have died as a direct result of the virus. They are not 'under reporting' any 'estimates', though by nature of reality they are under-reporting actual infected/dead. They could publish their best guesstimates for actual infected/dead, but you don't need to go to them for that, there are plenty of medical experts figuring that out on their own based on more or less the same data. I'm done w/ this anyways, I hate arguing. Things will go as they go and we'll see how it ends up.
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Feb 5, 2020 21:36
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Here is an actual model https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30260-9/fulltext They estimated ~75000 infected in Wuhan as of Jan 25, which more or less is in line with US health official claims that there are around 100k infected in China.
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Feb 6, 2020 20:54
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Don't know if anyone here reads the Sinocism newsletter but this edition has tons of great articles and data about the outbreak and related issues: https://sinocism.com/p/reports-of-the-death-dr-li-wenliang?r=2e&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source=twitter
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The Oldest Man posted:uhhhhhhhh This is a loving terrible, cruel and counterproductive idea. Far better to let people quarantine at home with their families if there's not enough treatment for everyone where at least they can be with their loved ones and have some sort of familiarity and comfort. Even if the entire family is infected it's very likely that only one or two older people will have a chance of getting the more severe symptoms. As is quoted in the article, quote:“What happens to the people who are sick?” he asked. “Do they receive care, and at what level? And can the caregivers, in the circumstances of a stadium or school auditorium, provide care effectively — and keep themselves safe?” This is just going to take a lot of sick people and make them even sicker and more miserable. And it's absolutely just doing something that looks strong in order to not look weak after totally loving everything up previously. Look how good I am, Papa Xi!
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