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 Global Conflict: 1988 Scenario by Haris Riris  Are you a bad enough dude to save Europe? Global Conflict: 1988 is a scenario in the grognard strategy game The Operational Art of War IV. This game is essentially a sandbox to emulate wars and strategies from many different periods. From the fall of the Roman Empire to 2020s combat. How well it does that is up for interpretation. I previously did a very short LP of it here. Read a few posts and hopefully this will explain the game better. I've learned a lot about both the game and how to run LPs since then. What we will be using it for in this context is the scenario Global Conflict 1988. I consider it the most impressive scenario in the game’s library. Thousands of units smashing into each other from the Warsaw Pact, NATO, and many other neutral/allied countries. This scenario comes in two packages. One that represents Europe and the Middle East (that I will be playing) and another that represents Asia. They can be theoretically played at the same time. I am not Grey Hunter, and this is going to be a handful with audience participation anyway. Maybe next time around? How it will work. We will be playing as NATO and her possible allies during this campaign. Our goal is to stop the Soviet advance, and if we’re really lucky roll them back in other areas. For right now, this might seem like a bog standard strategy game. However, having been inspired by Hashim’s hilariously inspiring Crusader Kings LP, I figured “Why not have audience participation, but while we destroy the world?" Thus, we will have positions open for the goon masses to participate in. These positions will involve a limited amount of players taking positions in leadership positions around NATO. SACEUR will provide battleplans, the NCA and Civilian Leadership will argue over them, and eventually we will probably all start pounding each other with nuclear weapons. Picking a role There are many roles available, from being a member of SACEUR planning to being the Prime Minister of Norway and begging SACEUR to do something about the five nukes that the Soviets dropped on Oslo. To pick a role, simply say something like "I want to be the President in the NCA or I would like to be a part of SACEUR or I want to be the civilian leadership of Portugal. Simple as that. SACEUR Player: General Randomcheese3 DEPUTY SACEUR/LIAISON Come on down so Randomcheese3 doesn't break his back carrying NATO! SACEUR is short for Supreme Allied Commander Europe. This group of goons is the commander of all operations that take place in Europe proper. The people in this role will be attempting to stop the Soviets from crashing through Europe into France. Due to the complexity of this game, and the fact that I cannot reasonably keep everyone updated on a unit per unit basis, this role isn’t as involved as you might think. When submitting a “order” through a post after a turn, this is the format. Name of Orders: Operation Flaming Serpent (This is so NCA/Civilian players can uniformly vote on things) Northern Europe: (Norway, Sweden, Iceland, Denmark, Greenland. I know Greenland is technically in North America. Shut up.) Retreat towards Trondheim Central Europe: (Draw a line from France to the USSR, including Denmark) Abandon Austria, use tactical nuclear weapons and retreat towards Switzerland Southern Europe: (Yugoslavia, Turkey, Spain, Portugal, Italy). Perform a marine landing near Tirana This is going to take some trial and error to get right. Basically, you can make the instructions as specific or as vague as you want. When all players of SACEUR have put forward there plan, there will be a period where the other commands will vote on what plan is best. SACEUR players can make joint proposals, and are encouraged to do so. This is to somewhat simulate that in a time of crisis NATO command would be pulled many different directions by their constituent countries. Members of SACEUR, when posting official orders, post a 100x100 to max 250x250 photo of a cold war general you want to represent you. Here are some freebies:    NCA 3/4 (President (3 votes): Vice President, SecDef, Secretary General of NATO (2 votes)): Players:President Paragon1 Vice President Yooper Secretary General: HerpicleOmnicron5 NCA is short for National Command Authority, the military leadership of the United States (as well as the NATO secretary general for gameplay reasons). These players will represent the President, Vice President, and the Secretary of Defense, who will push forward their policies. The NATO Secretary General represents European interests to the other three players. These players will vote on SACEUR proposals, and conduct diplomacy. Diplomacy in this game is done through theater options. These theater options are temporary options available throughout the course of the game. These might include swaying neutral countries to join NATO, offering concessions to foreign powers to keep them off your back, or attacking other countries.  However since humans are ultimately in control, things can happen diplomatically that might not be handled in game. For example, I might receive word that Syria is willing to sign a cease fire and retreat back to its home territory. Do you trust them to maintain the cease fire, or are they just trying to regroup? Who knows! The NCA also is in charge of authorizing the use of tactical and strategic nuclear weapons that are controlled by the United States (so West German missiles can be used) as well as chemical weapons. Once these are authorized, the NCA can handover tactical nuclear control to SACEUR. This is an example of the order format.Offensive Diplomacy(War Declarations): Declare war on Syria Defensive Diplomacy (Adding allies to your side): Convince Sweden to join NATO Other diplomacy: Offer concessions to Iraq to keep them neutral NCA, depending on what position you are, when you give your orders use the following photos: President:  Vice President:  SecDef:  NATO Secretary (Was this guy never photographed in color?):  Civilian Leadership 11/However many countries are available Currently available: Norway, Denmark, Portugal, Belgium, Finland, Egypt, Israel, UAE, Qatar, Oman, Bahrain, Jordan, Kuwait, Austria, Ireland. Players:Wedgekree-Turkey overmind2000-Italy Slaan-Canada Sparkmaster-France HiHoChiRho-Iceland Kavak-United Kingdom Clayren-Greece Drone-West Germany InsertNameHere31-Luxembourg Kangxi-Sweden Zanni-The Netherlands Spain-ThatBasqueGuy In all the fighting, there is the fact that (most) countries in Europe on our side are democracies. The civilian leadership position represents that these countries have their own goals and wishes. Each country that is currently in the fighting (so neutrals are excluded) can have a player that will have civilian leadership. The civilian leadership is for all countries aside from the United States. You will have the ability to vote on SACEUR plans, and to give directives. Players in charge of the United Kingdom and France will be able to authorize their own nuclear weapons separate the other players. This will be a first come, first serve basis. When all countries are full, people can then double up on countries. Example of orders: (British player example) This turn I want SACEUR to pull my forces back from West Germany into Belgium, the Netherlands, and France. If this is not done in three turns, I will be forced to support the most defensive SACEUR plan. This turn I support “Operation Flaming Serpent”. Tactical nuclear weapons are authorized. For identification when issuing orders, follow the size requirements (100x100 to max 250x250) and please use whoever was in charge of the country at that time. So, if all of that was as confusing as I thought it would be, I get that. It is pretty hard to construct this without anything being that similar. Feel free to post or PM me if things aren't making sense. I made an example sequence of how turns will go: TURN PROGRESSION First, the turn is posted. The turn will have two parts. First, a part that explains what the Warsaw Pact did the previous turn, broken down into each theater (Northern, Central, Southern Europe, North Africa, Middle East). Then, a “size-up” is given of all parts of the same theater within 250km of the front lines. This will include close in images of all units that are fighting and explanations of the current tactical/strategic situation. Anything past that (excluding ICBMs/GLCMs/and Aircraft) is logistics, which will not be controlled by the posters. Then, the post will end with this: SACEUR, YOU HAVE 24 HOURS TO SUBMIT YOUR ORDERSAfter 24 hours, SACEUR plans close and are put in the next OP, where it would look like this. NCA/CIVILIAN LEADERSHIP, YOU HAVE 48 HOURS TO SUBMIT YOUR PLANS AND VOTEHopefully that explains it well enough. I’m learning as we go here how best to run this. The first 3-4 days will be waiting to get a few people in each position. I don’t need it to be full, hell I really only need one person in the NCA and one SACEUR player, but I’d like to maximize participation. Without further ado, here is the backstory on the scenario. AD 1988 WAR WAS BEGINNING The Iran-Iraq war has just met its conclusion. The Soviet Union is beginning to crack under the strain, and its allies in Eastern Europe increasingly want out. As tensions rise between Iran and the United States, it seems clear that the Soviet Union might attempt one last move to save the empire. Striking deep into NATO territory. The situation starts during a cease fire, but it will be only days before war breaks out. About FNG: I love FNG, but man that was getting depressing as hell to write. I'll come back to that someday. Top Hats Monthly fucked around with this message at 07:35 on Mar 5, 2020 |
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Oooh. Going for Turkey here. I WILL GET TO WEAR THE FEZ. Turkey has the position in Europe of being able to go through the Caucus and counter-attack. Doing so however requires them to cooperate with the Greeks whom they have had poor diplomatic relations with for centuries. Turkey has very defensible terrain, decent bases that can be used to operate air assets out of to raid the USSR, and the chance to force the Warsaw Pact to put units in the south to screen themselves. However Turkey's army is relatively weak, they do not have much of an air force, and they need to work with other countries - particularly Greece, to be effective.
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wedgekree posted:Oooh. Going for Turkey here. In game there are house rules that make cooperation with Greece extremely difficult, including allied Greek and Turkish units being unable to enter each other’s territory or stack
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Jan 23, 2020 16:06
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*stands bravely* I'll do it. I'll be Ronald Reagan.
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paragon1 posted:*stands bravely* I'll do it. I'll be Ronald Reagan.  your country salutes you
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Jan 23, 2020 21:05
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Not as much as I will salute our brave men in uniform as the first bombs (ours) begin to fall. 
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Jan 23, 2020 22:20
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I'll sign up as a SACEUR member.
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Jan 23, 2020 22:40
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We have the bare minimum to start. Will begin working on putting the intro update out in 24 hours. Feel free to sign up anytime!
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Jan 24, 2020 00:09
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I'll take NATO Secretary General. I look forward to arguing with America.
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Jan 24, 2020 00:47
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Count me in! Not sure what the VP will actually do, but in case Reagan has an alzheimers moment I'll be sure not to vomit on anyone.  https://imgur.com/a/PMr9XKi
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Jan 24, 2020 01:39
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You will give me the very critical advice of how best to carry out God's plan as revealed to me by Nancy. Right now she tells me the dead ones lay slumbering, but the stars will soon be right. Whatever that means. I'm inclined to think it means we should proceed to DEFCON 1.
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Jan 24, 2020 01:51
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paragon1 posted:
 I think we're in for a wild ride Mr. President.
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I'll take Civilian Leadership for Italy. I don't know how much Italy can do when Germany is invaded but they'll play a pretty big role if the Russians come in through Austria or Yugoslavia. Hopefully I can reverse Italy's pretty bad military track record 
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Top Hats Monthly posted:In game there are house rules that make cooperation with Greece extremely difficult, including allied Greek and Turkish units being unable to enter each other’s territory or stack So basically I'll have half my military on the Greek border just in case they invade me by surprise. Noted. Folks who want a bit of an intro; basic Warsaw Pact Military Tactics - https://20thcenturywargaming.wordpress.com/2013/06/16/why-cold-war-warsaw-pact-tactics-work-in-wargaming/ https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=651812843 Also suggested - read Tom Clancy's Red Sun Rising (novel) which does a fairly good job of showing a non-nuclear exchange. Basically the USSR will strike on specified fronts with overwhelming force. Attempting to overhwelm and isolate forces with superior firepower. What they cannot overpower they will attempt to pocket and outmaneuver. Generally NATO tech and troops are better, but the USSR will have superior numbers (and likely munitions). Soviet combat divisions come in three forms - A, B, and C. A divisions are the best front line units they have - the most experienced men, the best training/equipping. B units are relatively average and there are more of them. C units are the lowest quality, often having the poorest training and equipping. C units are the 'equivalent' of National Guard/Reservists. It was not unheard of for them to have weapons from WW2. The initial setup for the scenario determines roughly how things will play out at first. Do the Soviets have general surprise or a step up on mobilization? They will probably have thrown in a large number of unconvnetional units to NATO countries to sew dissent, sabotage, target infrastructure. Invasion units will be forward loaded to try and overwhelm front line forces as much as possible before they can dig in and NATO can finish deploying and mobilizing. They will throw in as much artillery and massed units forwards as they can. In effect attempting a brute force blitzkrieg, trying to smash a hole and take as much territory as possible and as many units before NATO stiffens. Presuming there is a buildup to conflict and both sides have mostly mobilized, the USSR will almost undoubtedly strike first thanks to their doctrine. It is likely that they will throw in B units first to grind out NATO units, identify locations and try to overwhelm them with firepower. Areas of potential breakthroughs will have A units put at them while B units maneuver. wherever possible C units will be used to soakup attacks (much like Romanian units would be used by the Germans to cover thier flanks in the attack on Stalingrad). As NATO the initial steup is likely to be 'trade space for time'. Try and bloody the Soviets nose, withdraw some, engage again. NATO forces are far more mobile, ahve better corodination, and superior command and control. Use an elastic defense to try and wear down the Soviets to grind down thier advance, exhast forward units, and counterattack wherever possible. The goal is to bleed them without having your own force bled in turn.
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wedgekree posted:Also suggested - read Tom Clancy's Red Sun Rising (novel) which does a fairly good job of showing a non-nuclear exchange. Red Storm Rising is the second best NATO vs. Warsaw Pact throwdown novel. The best is Red Army The good guys win too!
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 ”This summit is over! Enjoy West Berlin while you can. -General Secretary Vladimir Kryuchkov  A military officer dims the lights, and photos of maps begin to scroll by Good morning gentlemen. As you know, the peace conference with the post-Gorbachev Kryuchkov caretaker government has been suspended. West Berlin is cut off. We haven’t seen signs of direct mobilization yet, but there have been many developments in the European and Middle Eastern theaters. (Note, not all photos will be labeled, this is mainly to acquaint SACEUR players with unit symbology and important Corps in Central Europe, past the intro, images will not be labeled, and the descriptions should be enough. If not I will revisit this.)     SIGINT has uncovered quite a bit of activity along the borders of Norway and Finland. Perhaps most concerningly, a train full of Soviet soldiers was seen departing Leningrad, and has already reached its destination near Vyborg. In central Finland we have detected a division of Soviet soldiers moving from their peacetime positions near Kandalaksha onto the Finnish border. A larger than usual amount of helicopters has been seen moving between Murmansk and Pechenga. The Finnmark regiment has been notified and is awaiting orders. At sea, the aircraft carrier Kiev has left port, as well as most of the Red Banner Fleet from Murmansk. They are currently in a stand off with the US 2nd fleet. The USS Enterprise and her destroyer escorts have been making a quick port call to Tromsø, but they are expected to be given orders to leave port and join the rest of the fleet in the standoff. As with the posture of trying to ease the Soviet leadership’s mindset, Norway only has its Finnmark regiment, as well as its Royal Guard regiment currently active and mobile. If a general NATO mobilization is ordered, as expected, the rest of the Norwegian military would be activated. Parts of the Baltic Fleet have been spotted around 50 kilometers from Stockholm, Sweden. The rest of the fleet seems to have remained in port near Leningrad.   Although there hasn’t been a general Warsaw Pact mobilization, many “Category A”, that is, as you know, the most well trained and best equipped Soviet units, have been spotted boarding trains throughout the Soviet Union by our intelligence networks. Units in East Germany as well as Poland have also moved more aggressively towards the Inner-German border. These appear to be mostly regiment and brigade sized units, but their proximity to the border is deeply concerning. There appears to be no mobilization of any constituent Warsaw Pact units at this time. As stated previous, while we are not currently mobilized, US army units that are currently active include constituent units of the V and VII Corps. A smattering of various West German special forces, airborne, and mountaineer units are also currently mobilized. If snap mobilization occurs, Belgian, Dutch, British, Canadian, French, and Danish units will all join the fold extremely quickly. The Danish, French, and German navies are in port, while the British navy is doing generic sea patrols around the GIUK gap. The British army in Northern Ireland remains ensnared in a guerilla conflict.    It is quieter in Southern Europe. Greek forces are not mobilized outside of quick reaction special forces and paratroopers. Turkish security units are currently active searching for Kurdish militants. Turkish border guards are also working multiple shifts on the border of Bulgaria and the Soviet Union. The Italian, Greek, Spanish, and Portuguese navies remain in port, while the US 6th fleet is currently on shore leave in Napoli. The US Marine Corps, and SEAL Team Six are currently active and on shore in Naples. US Airborne special forces are located in the north of Italy. The Soviet navy has been moving towards Istanbul, and one of their fleets has left port in Syria.  There is nothing to report in North Africa at this time.   The protracted conflict between Israel and Lebanon continues. Iran has recently stepped up the rhetoric sharply, and although not mobilized, have threatened to close the Strait of Hormuz. US forces in the region are currently light, but the 82nd Airborne and other CENTCOM units can rapidly deploy to Oman if the okay is given by CENTCOM. The 5th fleet frigates are currently in port at Bahrain harbor. The submarines and cruisers are currently at the mouth of the Persian Gulf. Kurdish forces continue to be a headache for Saddam’s Iraq. Our intelligence sources give it about an 80% chance that in the next year or two Saddam may invade Kuwait. Guerilla forces in Afghanistan continue to harass the multiple divisions the Soviet Union has deployed in the area. Despite Iranian rhetoric being favorable to Soviet interests, Iran at this time is not permitting Soviet units passage.  There has been no evidence that the Soviet Union has changed its nuclear, chemical, or biological weapons posture. Nuclear capable Tu-95s have dispersed from their peacetime bases, but we believe this is part of greater Soviet saber rattling.  Somewhere in Washington, D.C. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. I wish the situation was better. The Kryuchkov government has unilaterally suspended the cooperation talks that were being held in New Delhi. This is possibly the worst crisis we have faced since 1962. West Berlin is completely isolated. The question now is whether to adopt an offensive posture towards the Soviet Union, and call in all the support of our allies, or call in less political favors and attempt to soothe the Russian fears. In the Middle East, Iran has grown increasingly aggressive in this time of international tension. They have threatened repeatedly to close the Strait of Hormuz, but this time according to some of our seamen, they look ready to carry it out. Regardless, I have prepared a list of some of our options currently. Mobilize NATO If the peace talks in New Delhi have broken down as bad as we thought they have, we are rapidly on a collision course in Europe. The Soviets show no sign of relieving their blockade on West Berlin. Our military commanders have also informed us of Soviet military repositioning. If this is the case, mobilizing sooner rather than later is the best move to ensure our militaries have time to prepare. However, the transition on our European allies to move towards mobilization will be enormously politically costly. It signals that war is on the horizon, and the economy will surely be heavily damaged from bank runs and stock market panics. Political cost: Extremely high. Deploy XVIII Airborne Corps & Central Command to the Persian Gulf With Iran’s aggressive posturing, deploying these units would certainly frenzy the Iranian leadership. On the flipside, not ordering these units to deploy relax Iran, but possibly leave the Gulf wide open if both Iraq and Iran initiated hostilities (separate from each other, of course). Political cost: Medium Offer concessions to Iraq This move would be to sign a backroom treaty with Iraq to ensure their neutrality in a conflict. This move would ensure that Iraq would not be able to take our attention away from other theaters if war broke out. However, this move would be ENORMOUSLY costly with our allies in the region. They would almost certainly not assist us in any moves in the Persian Gulf. Political cost: Extremely high Mobilize Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia, despite their relatively small and poor military, is incredibly strategically valuable. Their support in a conflict against Iran would provide solid locations for our bombers, fighters, and infantry units to deploy to. If Iraq decided to invade now, we would be already in position. Needless to say Iran would not be a fan of this. Political cost: High Mobilize Oman Oman’s position as the “owner” of the little tip of land at the narrowest point of the Strait of Hormuz (Musandam Governorate, for those curious) is incredibly important. Needless to say if Soviet-aligned South Yemen were to start anything, Oman would be the best location to launch military operations out of. Political cost: Medium Mobilize Gulf States Bahrain, Qatar, and the United Arab Emirates all have small, weak militaries. However, they are oil rich, natural aircraft carriers, and would draw Iran’s attention away from other matters in the region. Political cost: Low Mobilize Kuwait Kuwait’s military is very small. However, they could plausibly stop an Iraqi advance for perhaps 2-3 days before collapsing. This would give enough time for our units to move in and use them as a base against both Iraq and Iran. Political cost: Low ------ TURKEY  The population’s opinion of your leadership is: Positive. The country stands behind your political objectives at this time. ITALY  The population’s opinion of your leadership is: Positive. The country is worried about events in Europe, and is uncomfortable with deploying troops outside of Italy’s borders. CANADA  The population’s opinion of your leadership is: Positive. The country believes that you will do your duty as Prime Minister. Personal side of things Here, if and when war breaks out, you will read small (probably paragraph long at most) stories, letters, and casualty reports. SACEUR, YOU HAVE 24 HOURS TO SUBMIT YOUR ORDERSRemember SACEUR, although you can't vote and only suggest, your plans will slowly take shape. Feel free to lobby the NCA and civilian governments. As we only have 1 SACEUR player currently, the SACEUR player can submit multiple proposals this time around. Top Hats Monthly fucked around with this message at 06:08 on Jan 25, 2020 |
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Jan 24, 2020 23:14
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Oh, aye, I'll be  eh?
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Jan 24, 2020 23:54
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I hope we get the choice to mobilize Italy soon because I'm not liking how undefended it's looking right now.
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Slaan posted:Oh, aye, I'll be You responded fast enough that I threw you into the turn. Good luck, Mulroney. overmind2000 posted:I hope we get the choice to mobilize Italy soon because I'm not liking how undefended it's looking right now. If NATO is mobilized, all constituent countries of NATO mobilize, including Italy.
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Right now my instinct is for mobilizing everyone. Just saddle up. But paragon1, you might ask, isn't doing all of that insanely politically costly? Maybe so, I would reply, but most of the people negatively affected don't vote in USA presidential elections. I don't suppose we could convince Saddam and the Ayatollah to start shooting each other again?
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The people of Canada will always support our allies, eh. But mobilizing now seems a bit over reactive. This'll end up blowing over quickly like every other time
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Jan 25, 2020 00:34
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My dear Canadian friend, it is not over reactive at all! It's being proactive! Like when I got those hostages back from Iran before even becoming President! We've just got to show Ivan that we won't brook any nonsense and they'll all go home.
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Jan 25, 2020 01:15
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See? Typical Yank and Ruskie posturing. Nothing to be alarmed over I'll be out getting the drat dairy farmers to quit complaining about milk tariffs if anything important happens
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So I noticed on the corner of the Italy map that Algeria seems to either be or potentially be a part of the Warsaw Pact. That's distressing for the Mediterranean front, to say the least.
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paragon1 posted:Right now my instinct is for mobilizing everyone. Just saddle up. But paragon1, you might ask, isn't doing all of that insanely politically costly? Maybe so, I would reply, but most of the people negatively affected don't vote in USA presidential elections. I am 100% opposed to mobilisation. Doing so prior to the Russians makes them more likely to use nukes. If the Russians strike first, then we're fully justified in using nukes. NATO doesn't want to lose troops. It wants to drop nukes.
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Jan 25, 2020 01:56
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Hmm. I agree. The bombing begins in 5 minutes.
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 SACEUR Proposals Given the scale and nature of the threats facing us, I consider it best to make the following options available: Operation Argonaut This operation will focus primarily on the Soviet threat. The Soviets are our strongest opposition, and our forces are poorly disposed to counteract any Soviet offensive without mobilisation. In particular, the North German Plain, the likely main axis of any Soviet attack, is practically undefended. As things stand, a surprise declaration of war could easily see Soviet tanks in Hannover in the first few hours, and across the Dutch border within the first few days. Dislodging them from these positions would be all but impossible without dangerous escalations to the conflict. A focus on the Soviet threat may give threats in peripheral theatres more freedom of action, but these are comparatively minor threats. Soviet posturing strongly suggests an attack is coming, and we must be ready to meet it when it does. Civilian Planning - Mobilise NATO fully. Without a fully mobilised NATO, we cannot fight off a Soviet invasion. AFNORTH (ZEALAND, SWEDEN, NORWAY) - Finnmark Bde establishes blocking position in vicinity of Kirkenes. Follow-on units to establish secondary delaying positions along the main coastal road, with main defensive position at Narvik. Enterprise CVBG is to rejoin the remainder of 2nd Fleet to screen Kiev CVBG and any other Soviet naval units. Royal Navy units are to move northwards, to cover movements between UK and Norway, and provide air and gunfire support to the Narvik position. Danish units on Zealand are to dig in to secure Copenhagen against possible sea/airborne coup-de-main. Danish Navy, plus German naval assets in Baltic, are to put to sea to cover Zealand plus the main Baltic exits. AFCENT (GERMANY) - Move forwards to defensive positions along Inner-German Border. Newly mobilised units begin preparing secondary blocking line on line Kiel-Hamburg-Hanover-Kassel in Northern Germany and Kassel-Wurzburg-Nuremberg-Regensburg in Southern Germany. German mountain units are to move southwards to cover Austrian border in event of WARPAC violation of Austrian neutrality, or to provide reserves should no such invasion occur. AFSOUTH (ITALY, GREECE, TURKEY) - Italian units are to move to screen Austrian and Yugoslavian borders, but are not to move outside of Italy at present. USMC units in Sicily are to remain as area amphibious reserve for later commitment. Greek units are to move forwards to vicinity of Thessaloniki, less ~3 brigades to screen Albania. Turkish units are to establish main line of resistance on line Tekirdag-Corlu-Black Sea, with remaining forces covering the Black Sea coast around Istanbul. Spanish, Portuguese and Italian navies to cover Western Mediterranean, while 6th Fleet moves east to join the Greek fleet in screening the Soviet SAG that has departed Syria. Turkish fleet is to remain in position to cover Istanbul against Soviet invasion. CENTCOM (PERSIAN GULF) - Remain in present positions, and seek detente with Iran and Iraq. Operation Horizon This option relies on the fact that the Soviets have not yet begun to fully mobilise, suggesting that they are not at their full strength. This buys us time that can be used to neutralise the risk in the Persian Gulf. However, as outlined above, such a course of action leaves us open to a Soviet surprise attack. However, some minor actions can be taken to reduce this risk. Civilian Planning - Deploy CENTCOM to the Gulf, and begin courting minor Gulf States and Kuwait. This puts significant forces in theatre, and gives us a number of strategically important bases from which to conduct air and land campaigns. AFNORTH (ZEALAND, SWEDEN, NORWAY) - Finnmark Bde establishes blocking position in present position. Royal Guard moves north to establish defensive position at Narvik. Enterprise CVBG is to rejoin the remainder of 2nd Fleet to screen Kiev CVBG and any other Soviet naval units. Royal Navy units are to move northwards, to cover movements between UK and Norway, and provide air and gunfire support to the Narvik position. Danish units on Zealand are to dig in to secure Copenhagen against possible sea/airborne coup-de-main. Danish Navy, plus German naval assets in Baltic, are to put to sea to cover Zealand plus the main Baltic exits. AFCENT (GERMANY) - Move forwards to defensive positions along line Kiel-Hamburg-Hanover-Kassel in Northern Germany and Kassel-Wurzburg-Nuremberg-Regensburg in Southern. German mountain units are to move southwards to cover Austrian border in event of WARPAC violation of Austrian neutrality, or to provide reserves should no such invasion occur. AFSOUTH (ITALY, GREECE, TURKEY) - Maintain present force structure on land. Spanish, Portuguese and Italian navies to cover Western Mediterranean, while 6th Fleet moves east to join the Greek fleet in screening the Soviet SAG that has departed Syria. Turkish fleet is to remain in position to cover Istanbul against Soviet invasion. CENTCOM (PERSIAN GULF) - Newly deployed units to remain in Oman for rapid transport to Kuwait should Iraqi invasion occur. 5th Fleet is to ensure freedom of movement through Hormuz, by any means necessary. Operation Cedar While we could take a more active stance against our opposition, a more restrained position might also see benefits. This operation would attempt to reduce the threat by diplomatic means. However, such means risk alienating our allies, or leaving us open to a devastating attack by the Soviets. Civilian Planning - Possibly seek to offer concessions to Iraq, removing them as a threat. AFNORTH (ZEALAND, SWEDEN, NORWAY) - Finnmark Bde establishes blocking position in present position. Royal Guard moves north to establish defensive position at Narvik. Enterprise CVBG is to rejoin the remainder of 2nd Fleet to screen Kiev CVBG and any other Soviet naval units. Royal Navy units are to move northwards, to cover movements between UK and Norway, and provide air and gunfire support to the Narvik position. Danish units on Zealand are to dig in to secure Copenhagen against possible sea/airborne coup-de-main. Danish Navy, plus German naval assets in Baltic, are to put to sea to cover Zealand plus the main Baltic exits. AFCENT (GERMANY) - Move forwards to defensive positions along line Kiel-Hamburg-Hanover-Kassel in Northern Germany and Kassel-Wurzburg-Nuremberg-Regensburg in the South. German mountain units are to move southwards to cover Austrian border in event of WARPAC violation of Austrian neutrality, or to provide reserves should no such invasion occur. AFSOUTH (ITALY, GREECE, TURKEY) - Maintain present force structure on land. Spanish, Portuguese and Italian navies to cover Western Mediterranean, while 6th Fleet moves east to join the Greek fleet in screening the Soviet SAG that has departed Syria. Turkish fleet is to remain in position to cover Istanbul against Soviet invasion. CENTCOM (PERSIAN GULF) - Remain in present positions, and seek detente with Iran and Iraq. Randomcheese3 fucked around with this message at 03:50 on Jan 25, 2020 |
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Jan 25, 2020 03:32
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That was an excellent example. I’ll leave it open in case anyone wants to jump in on SACEUR
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Jan 25, 2020 03:40
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I wouldn't mind jumping in as France. How are you intending to handle their military not being integrated with NATO forces?
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Jan 25, 2020 05:38
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sparkmaster posted:I wouldn't mind jumping in as France. How are you intending to handle their military not being integrated with NATO forces? I'm not able to find it at the moment, but recently it has been found out that after De Gaulle left power, France quietly established protocol for rapidly reintegrating the military into NATO if a conflict broke out.
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Jan 25, 2020 06:12
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Golly Gee! I do like the looks of Cedar. My first thought, as a Texan, was to just roll up and stomp them Russians. But then the NatoSecGen brought up a good point! What if we turn this into a nukin' war before it even gets to a shootin' war? We should let them Russians know we're serious while leveraging our economic-diplomatic ties.
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Jan 25, 2020 13:21
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Yooper posted:
There are two problems with trying to rely on nuclear weapons to stop a Soviet invasion. The first is that if we have to nuke Bonn, Brussels, Amsterdam because the Soviet spearheads got there before we're ready to launch, we've lost. Without troops in position to block a Soviet advance, this is entirely possible. The other problem is that we cannot justify such an escalation if the Soviets attack neutrals. It looks entirely possible that the Soviets may be attempting an amphibious coup-de-main against Stockholm, for example. As it isn't an attack on NATO, we cannot justifiably respond with nukes, but it would greatly destabilise our defensive positions in Norway and Denmark. Mobilising immediately will help to reduce the effects of this.
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Jan 25, 2020 13:47
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Randomcheese3 posted:There are two problems with trying to rely on nuclear weapons to stop a Soviet invasion. The first is that if we have to nuke Bonn, Brussels, Amsterdam because the Soviet spearheads got there before we're ready to launch, we've lost. Without troops in position to block a Soviet advance, this is entirely possible. The other problem is that we cannot justify such an escalation if the Soviets attack neutrals. It looks entirely possible that the Soviets may be attempting an amphibious coup-de-main against Stockholm, for example. As it isn't an attack on NATO, we cannot justifiably respond with nukes, but it would greatly destabilise our defensive positions in Norway and Denmark. Mobilising immediately will help to reduce the effects of this. Is REFORGER a thing here? If the Soviets see us suddenly mobilize will they escalate into full invasion mode? Is there a middle ground?
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Jan 25, 2020 15:08
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Ireland is neutral but has American flag icons on her cities. Does that mean she can join if things go south or something happens?
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Jan 25, 2020 15:09
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 Traditionally general mobilization is the equivalent of a declaration of war. And we're not going to be able to hide massed American convoys leaving New York sailing to ports in Europe. Once we push that button it can't be unpunished. France cannot support a general mobilization without strong evidence of imminent Soviet aggression. We don't have that yet.
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Jan 25, 2020 15:22
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Yooper posted:Is REFORGER a thing here? If the Soviets see us suddenly mobilize will they escalate into full invasion mode? Is there a middle ground? REFORGER certainly seems to be a thing - several of the hexes are marked as POMCUS sites (Prepositioning Of Materiel Configured in Unit Sets), which suggests that REFORGER units will turn up there. Mobilising will certainly cause some form of Soviet response, but it's hard to tell what that will be. It's possible that it will trigger an invasion, but at least it'll be one we're prepared to fight. We have not been presented with a 'middle ground' option, it's either a full mobilisation in Europe or nothing.
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Jan 25, 2020 15:22
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Unfortunately, the way the game works there isn’t quite a middle ground. However if the NCA comes up with a plan that involves mobilization I can simulate a middle ground through not digging defenders in, relocating forces, or lightly guarding the inner-German border. As soon as NATO mobilizes, REFORGER begins at POMCUS sites. Hope that clears some stuff up.
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Jan 25, 2020 15:49
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Additional SACEUR Proposal Given the overall mood of NCA and other civilian leadership, I have prepared a modification to Operation Argonaut, intended to be a middle-ground option. Operation Argonaut II AFNORTH (ZEALAND, SWEDEN, NORWAY) - Finnmark Bde establishes blocking position in current location. Follow-on units to establish secondary delaying positions along the main coastal road, with main defensive position at Narvik. Enterprise CVBG is to rejoin the remainder of 2nd Fleet to screen Kiev CVBG and any other Soviet naval units. Royal Navy units are to move northwards, to cover movements between UK and Norway, and provide air and gunfire support to the Narvik position. Danish units on Zealand are to dig in to secure Copenhagen against possible sea/airborne coup-de-main. Danish Navy, plus German naval assets in Baltic, are to put to sea to cover Zealand plus the main Baltic exits. AFCENT (GERMANY) - Inner German Border, and FRG/CSSR Border to be held by presently mobilised units. Newly mobilised units to move to line Kiel-Hanover-Siegel-Frankfurt-Wurzburg-Nuremberg-Regensberg-Austrian Border. They are not to dig in. French units are to remain in France as strategic theatre reserve. AFSOUTH (ITALY, GREECE, TURKEY) - Italian units are to move to screen Austrian and Yugoslavian borders, but are not to move outside of Italy at present. USMC units in Sicily are to remain as area amphibious reserve for later commitment. Greek units are to move forwards to vicinity of Thessaloniki, less ~3 brigades to screen Albania. Turkish units are to establish main line of resistance on line Tekirdag-Corlu-Black Sea, with remaining forces covering the Black Sea coast around Istanbul. Spanish, Portuguese and Italian navies to cover Western Mediterranean, while 6th Fleet moves east to join the Greek fleet in screening the Soviet SAG that has departed Syria. Turkish fleet is to remain in position to cover Istanbul against Soviet invasion. CENTCOM (PERSIAN GULF) - Remain in present positions, and seek detente with Iran and Iraq.
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Jan 25, 2020 17:29
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I'll claim Vigdís Finnbogadóttir, President of Iceland
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SACEUR Plans are now considered finalNCA/CIVILIAN LEADERSHIP, YOU HAVE 48 HOURS TO SUBMIT YOUR PLANS AND VOTE President, Vice President, NATO Secretary General, and the leaders of France, Canada, Turkey, Iceland, and Italy are all able to vote on any diplomatic option they wish, plus on one of the plans that SACEUR has proposed.
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