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wedgekree posted:Also when mobilized can we get a quick rundown of what forces we have available/when they will be or will that be handled differently? overmind2000 posted:What can Italy expect to field when full mobilization takes effect? Is the Italian army bigger than the combined forces of Spain and Portugal? 1. I will give a relatively detailed breakdown of unit composition, special forces, air forces, and size of units in each area. 2. Italy can expect 3 divisions to mobilize, a few brigades of light mountain fighting infantry, and multiple armored brigades. I would have to see them after mobilization but I would say Italy is almost certainly footing a larger military than the two
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SACEUR Minus naval deployments, and while I work on AFNORTH, here are your central and southern European deployments. Because of the turn system this will contain information that some might consider "spoilers" and thus you can look at them or not, but SACEUR needs to confirm that for the most part I am following the spirit of their orders.    Some units, such as Belgian (grey on brown) and Dutch (light blue on grey) are not quite in their correct positions as they ran out of movement points scrambling to get to the front line. Top Hats Monthly fucked around with this message at 03:13 on Jan 28, 2020 |
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If possible I'd like to claim a slot in Greece as Prime Minister Andreas Papandreou.
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Clayren posted:If possible I'd like to claim a slot in Greece as Prime Minister Andreas Papandreou. Knock yourself out. Kavak posted:Where are all the Albanians? Albania is separate from the Warsaw Pact. They might be opportunistic and go for it or stay out of this one.
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DEFENSE INTELLIGENCE AGENCY REMARKS ON STRATEGIC SPACE, EUROPEAN THEATER Our current stated stance (refer NATO Facts and Figures 1989, page 218) regarding an invasion within Western Europe is "flexible response": the use of nuclear weapons in response to an appropriately-high threat. Agency projections, although naturally imperfect, indicate that the Soviets expect us to make an opening nuclear strike, although whether they expect counterforce or countervalue in the initial salvo is unclear. Between our stated policy and expected enemy disposition, the fact that our current operational plans have no suggestion of nuclear use should give us a badly-needed boost to our diplomatic options with the Soviets, which we will likely need if we wish to prevent this war from going atomic. Personally, I cannot stress this enough: diplomacy is our lifeline, given enemy strength. If we lose contact with the Soviets so completely that they refuse to speak with us, there is little chance of halting the enemy advance without actually employing our stated policy. It is also critical that we define our objectives as soon as possible: what is a victory to us? What is a defeat, and what specific events need to happen for us to definitely engage use of tactical/strategic/etc. unconventional weapons in order to avoid that defeat? And in particular, if it appears we are no longer able to achieve a victory, what outcomes are we willing to pick over the worst scenario of absolute world devastation? We hope to advise command to the best of our ability. God be with us, COL ------ ------ Directorate for Analysis, ------ Department (OOC: Historically, there are documents of both NATO and Soviet policy/wargames such as Able Archer 83. Since the game is likely going to head away from the projections people made at the time, I was comfortable making this post, but for the record Top Hats, are we allowed to refer or link to historical Soviet battle plans? They would help convey what the Soviets were actually prioritizing, which is good, but if that lines up with the in-game Soviet victory/lose conditions it's metagaming, so I wanted to check. Hope this game goes well!) Good Dumplings fucked around with this message at 07:16 on Jan 28, 2020 |
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I'd guess at least reasonably wargamed/assumptions should be okay but I'm not exactly the one that has a clue having lost to every single video wargame made from the Apple II era..
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Good Dumplings posted:
Go for it, there might be a few surprises in store that would not be properly accounted for in NATO planning 
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Those deployments look pretty much like I was thinking. Are there any spare units to fill the gap between Lubeck and Hamburg, or at least protect the Kiel Canal line?
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Randomcheese3 posted:Those deployments look pretty much like I was thinking. Are there any spare units to fill the gap between Lubeck and Hamburg, or at least protect the Kiel Canal line? One of the units that I had planned on putting there had it’s reinforcement cycle delayed, so I’m considering throwing paratroopers that are dug in at Bonn from the start to move to that location and then rotate out when real mechanized infantry comes around.
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Top Hats Monthly posted:One of the units that I had planned on putting there had it’s reinforcement cycle delayed, so I’m considering throwing paratroopers that are dug in at Bonn from the start to move to that location and then rotate out when real mechanized infantry comes around. That works; I want that gap filled, or otherwise Jutland looks pretty much open.
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Randomcheese3 posted:That works; I want that gap filled, or otherwise Jutland looks pretty much open. The Danish Jutland Battlegroup, West German 3rd Airborne Korps (Brigade) and Dutch Royal Marine Brigade have been rapid moved to that gap, but their combined strength is very low, hopefully the delayed reinforcements can be thrown into that gap if/when the time comes.
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Clayren posted:If possible I'd like to claim a slot in Greece as Prime Minister Andreas Papandreou. Do I have to put units on my border with you? And what are the 'house rules' if any for Greece and Turkey? If they apply
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wedgekree posted:Do I have to put units on my border with you? Greek and Turkish units cannot stack or provide artillery/air support for each other. They cannot enter each other’s territory, if forced there by an auto retreat, they must fight as hard as possible to get to their side of the border.
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Surprised nobody's claimed civilian leadership in West Germany yet. Mind if I jump in as Chancellor Helmut Kohl?
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 I am an idiot and forgot to take screenshots of our other deployments for Turn 2 (October 19th). We will be starting from the next day. Refer to my previous spoilered post for info! Rookie mistake.  "99 Kriegsminister - Streichholz und Benzinkanister - Hielten sich für schlaue Leute Witterten schon fette Beute Riefen Krieg und wollten Macht Mann, wer hätte das gedacht Dass es einmal soweit kommt Wegen 99 Luftballons"  FLASH FLASH FLASH TO: NATO CMDR SOVIET FORCES CROSSING IGB World War 3 has begun. Soviet forces have crossed into Germany, Denmark, Finland, Greece, Turkey, Iceland, and Norway.       Reports from Scandinavia are extremely grim. Soviet spetznaz and marine forces have triggered the retreat of the Norwegian Nord Brigade. Large amounts of Soviet paratroopers, after the destruction of many Norwegian SAM and radar sites, have landed near Tromsø. Another set landed and captured Namsos. Even further, some managed to land near Trondheim, which is almost totally undefended. Early reports say that they have captured the small airfield there mostly intact. This is very bad news for our forces. Perhaps even worse, is that a submarine, backfire bomber, and destroyer storm from the Red Banner fleet managed to sink a large amount of our assets of the 2nd fleet, including the USS Enterprise, which was hit by multiple cruise missiles and sunk. This is a critical blow to our power projection in the Barnets Sea. The British Ark Royal and French Foch carriers will more than likely make up for the loss, but it cannot be understated. The Enterprise and her escorts did take out large chunks of the Red Banner Fleet, and the Atlantic remains a NATO pond. Soviet Spetznaz have landed in Höfn, Iceland, taking the airfield there. The US 1st SFOD-D "DELTA" has arrived in Hafnarfjörður and Reykjavik, while the Iceland Defense Force begins rallying in the United States for rapid transport. In Finland, Soviet forces have not begun an invasion of Finland proper, but in the North, Soviet mechanized units have violated Finland's neutrality and are moving towards Rovaniemi, most likely to next move through Sweden to try and divide the entire Scandinavian peninsula in half.    In Central Europe, the news is not nearly as bad. Although heavy amounts of Soviet and Polish marine, mechanized, and airborne soldiers have landed on Zealand, they have not captured København. The Danish navy took multiple Polish ships with them, but was ultimately sunk by much airpower. Polish marines have landed in Jutland proper. Multiple divisions of Soviet, Polish, East German, and Czechoslovak forces have crossed the Inter-German Border region. Perhaps most concerning is the status of the Kiel Canal. With Soviet airpower temporarily disrupting NATO supply shipments to Esbjerg, Jutland and areas north of Hamburg are facing a lack of supply. The Soviet mechanized breakthrough, caused by the Royal Dutch Marine Corps failing to hold their ground, and an overwhelmingly concentrated attack on Lübeck has resulted in the fall of the city. A very strong German mechanized division "Jutland Command" is holding its ground in the city of Kiel. Soviet forces are within 25 Kilometers of Hamburg. NATO forces are holding better than expected in areas of the North, with the town of Celle being the rallying point for a stalwart defense. Slightly further south however, Braunschweig, Hildesheim, and Göttingen were lost. Although Braunschweig and Göttingen were considered mostly indefensible in this context, the loss of Hildesheim is a different story. Our NATO forces never planned to defend Hildesheim, but Soviet troops proved more resourceful than expected and punched through to nearly encircle Kassel. The Belgian armored division will be critical in saving the town. West German forces here are strong, but gaps in the line caused by the destruction of various Dutch and British units means that we have less resources to call on. Further Dutch, Belgian, and British troops are poised to arrive here shortly. In the actual Fulda Gap, the US and French armies have successfully repulsed a strong attack by Soviet and East German troops. This is the best news so far, and if the line can hold a few more days, then the possibility of counterattack is possible. Further south however, Regensburg fell to the Warsaw Pact, and Nürnberg is threatened. Czech special forces have been spotted operating behind our lines near the Swiss border, most likely trying to destroy rail lines and bridges. Austria has not been invaded at this time, but large quantities of Czechoslovak and Hungarian troops are on the border. The airwar in general has been a stalemate, with the main sight over Central Europe being pilots bailing out over their aircraft. A group of Soviet Tu-160 "Blackjack" bombers attempted to bomb critical infrastructure in London, but were shot down by British and French interceptors before they could complete their mission.    In Southern Europe, the Turkish navy managed to sink a Marine Infantry division and a large amount of Bulgarian and Romanian ships, at the cost of much of Turkey's submarine fleet. Attacks have been incredibly paltry in this theater, with the Bulgarian and Romanian armies prodding into Greek and Turkish territory. Thessaloniki has however, been hit heavily by air attacks and artillery barrages. Military casualties have been light, but civilian casualties have been severe. Erdine in Turkey has been captured by Bulgarian armor. The defensive line set up by AFSouth has not seen combat yet other than light shelling. Soviet bombers were driven away from Istanbul, but a few managed to land hits on bridges over the strait. On the border of Austria, the Italian army is mobilizing quickly, and French mountaineers have joined to assist. The Soviet fleet that the Greek and American navies were shadowing has fled back towards Syria, having taken some damage.  No signs of Soviet activity in North Africa.     In the Middle East, Syria and (perhaps coerced) Lebanon have declared war on Turkey. Light attacks near İskenderun have resulted in an overwhelming Turkish victory, and the Syrian invaders forced to lick their wounds. Further up Anatolia, at the Soviet border, Turkish forces have suffered some light defeats, but the Soviet Union does not have much in this theater. Israel is chomping at the bit to destroy Syria once and for all. In the gulf, Iran has declared that due to the conflict, the Persian Gulf has to be closed, and is deploying naval forces to do such thing. The US Navy fleet has been split in two. The Omani navy skirmished lightly with the Iranian forces in the Strait of Hormuz, but this has only been a stalemate. Speaking of, our Omani allies are now active, watching over the Strait and South Yemen very closely.  Soviet IRBM and SLBM launchers appear active. Sporadic Soviet use of chemical weapons on battlefield, but appears to be a result of lack of control by commanders, nothing explicitly ordered. Starting this turn, NATO can AUTHORIZE CHEMICAL WEAPONS.  Through a teleconference connecting various world leaders In some ways, your excellencies, the situation has perhaps gone better than expected. Although the heavy losses in Europe are going to be an incredibly bitter pill to swallow, and the possible occupation of Norway that could result in the UK being hit by airstrikes, we have blunted the Soviet advance in Central Europe, and Southern Europe appears to be currently a non-factor. Diplomatically, this offensive has been resoundingly been condemned by the United Nations, for whatever that is worth. The closure of the Strait by Iran has been extremely concerning however, and our allies in the Gulf are chomping at the bit for a chance to "take it to them" so to speak. We don't believe the Iranian military has the resources to commit to any sort of landings in the UAE, Qatar, or Bahrain at this time, but the threat of air attack being launched by surprise is always concerning. Regardless, here are some options I have prepared for you today. Mobilize Sweden Sweden is well aware of the events in Finland, and have been speaking with NATO officials about a rapid integration into the NATO structure. The writing is on the wall that the Soviets will demand passage through Sweden, something that they will not concede to. Political cost: Very low. This action will be taken unless there is resistance to it, as decided by previous directives. Attack Albania Albania is a dagger pointed right down the coast of Greece. Their armies are relatively small and weak, but still force Greece to split their attention. Despite the metric poo poo ton of bunkers that the late Enver Hoxha has ordered, we expect these to be an almost non factor. It would also make Yugoslavia delighted. The political price of invading a neutral country (at this time) however would be rather harsh. Political cost: Medium. Mobilize Israel Israel wants a chance to destroy the political centers of government for Lebanon and Syria, once and for all. Although our allies in the Middle East look incredibly dimly upon Israel, their support would completely end any sort of adventurism between the Syrian and Lebanese armies that is happening in Turkey at the moment. Political cost: High All previous diplomatic options, minus mobilizing Oman and giving diplomatic concessions to Iraq are still available with similar impacts. ------ TURKEY  The population’s opinion of your leadership is: Positive. Turkey expects that you will throw the Bulgarians and Soviets out of the country as soon as possible. ITALY  The population’s opinion of your leadership is: Worried. Events in Central Europe, although better than initially thought, worry the Italian people. They do not want the war brought to the homefront. If Italy must fight, they would prefer to do it in Yugoslavia and Austria. CANADA  The population’s opinion of your leadership is: Bloodthirsty. Soviet aggression cannot stand, according to the Canadian people. If you can win in the summit series, why not now? UNITED KINGDOM  The population’s opinion of your leadership is: Disappointed. Word has filtered to the nation about the heavy losses that the British Army of the Rhine has received. The Soviet bombers being repulsed from attacking London has been viewed as a sign of strength, however. GREECE  The population's opinion of your leadership is: Worried. After the bloody civil war, the Communists are back. Throw them out, god dammit! ICELAND  The population's opinion of your leadership is: Appalled. Foreign forces are threatening to occupy Iceland, and there is no real military force to stop them. Some radicals wish to surrender to the USSR. FRANCE  The population's opinion of your leadership is: Positive. French forces have punched above their weight. No Soviet soldier shall step foot in France. WEST GERMANY  The population's opinion of your leadership is: Extremely worried. Germany has become a battleground for a 3rd time in eighty years. This might be the final one. Personal Side TO: NATO GS RE: CIV CASUALTIES YOUR EXC., HERE ARE RUNNING TOTALS ON CIVILIAN CASUALTIES WEST GERMANY: 681 DENMARK: 326 UNITED KINGDOM: 28 GREECE: 481 NORWAY: 65 TURKEY: 40 SACEUR, submit when you like, want man
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Turkey hails our successes against the Bolsheviks and thier lapdogs and votes for Pressure Sweden Norway is being sliced up badly and the Soviets will attempt to occupy Finland in short order no matter what the Finns say about their neutrality. Either the country will acquiesce to being occupied or they will fight back. Finland's entry into the war is essentially guaranteed. Sweden can be brought into the war readily, which will allow the pinning of Soviet assets there and likely with Finnish help deny the Soviets the use of Norway and possibly threaten Stalingrad, and at least allow the basing for interceptors. Turkey cares Not for what the Greeks do. Turkey will have nothing to do with helping the Greeks avoid thier own dismemberment. If NATO feels that an invasion of Albania is effective, Turkey will not have to contribute anything to it nor care of any diplomatic issues. Greek affairs are still Greek. Abstain (Sorry Greeks) Turkey further prefers Not to pressure the Israelis to join. We can handle the pathetic militaries of the Syrians and thier Lebanonese lapdogs. While we would in other circumstances be morethan happy to let the Israelis off their bit, all it would do is guarantee uniting /everyone/ in the middle east against us. Do we want to give the Iranians and the Iraqis common ground? Israel at best jumbles what sort of allies that might be gotten in the area. Syria can be dealt with by a few days of airstrikes to flatten thier air forces and thier mobility, which will make the curs fall bakc and slow any contribution they can make. Lebanon is a tinderbox that will set itself aflame without any outside intervention and is not a factor. Turkey salutes the Sons of Ataturk who have saved their homeland against the Bolsheviks. The pride of the Turkish navy has sacrificed itself to help keep the country free. Turkey will pending approval of SACEUR attempt to move up anti-tank units to the captured city (Erdine) and maintain screening forces along the Caucus. Pending large scale reinforcements to the theatre Syria does not seem to be an immediate threat and can be maintained with existing forces. The Strait should be protected and forces moved as necessary to help hold off the Bulgarians and Romanians. Turkey defers to SACEUR on deployments so long as Turkey is not expected to assist the Greeks in any way
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wedgekree posted:Sweden can be brought into the war readily, which will allow the pinning of Soviet assets there and likely with Finnish help deny the Soviets the use of Norway and possibly threaten Stalingrad, and at least allow the basing for interceptors. Now, this I’d love to see
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Pirate Radar posted:Now, this I’d love to see Whichever the -grad- is that's closest to them! It's named after one of the Communist leaders. There are a lot of cities with that theme!
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 (Can we get a breakdown on what color schemes / etc. are being used for the counters? I assume the dark green counters along the southern inner German border are FRG troops, but without a guide to explain what's what, I'm a little uncertain) Preserving the neutrality of Sweden could well have played a vital role in de-escalating the conflict before it devolved into world war, but the time for that seems to have passed. The Soviets have proven with their violation of Finnish neutrality that the diplomatic road is now truly closed. Therefore, West Germany would support moves to Mobilize Sweden in order to provide much-needed defensive support in Scandinavia. Likewise, I am urging SACEUR to consider utilizing West German naval assets in the Baltic in order to help stave off the inevitable amphibious landings in Sweden that will result from that country's decision to enter the war. Moreover, the Federal Republic of Germany does not support the attack on Albania. The Soviets have thus far proven themselves to be the unilateral aggressors in this conflict. Let the blood stay on their hands -- NATO should not be invading otherwise-neutral nations purely for strategic expediency. West Germany abstains from the decision regarding Israel. We do not feel comfortable with, nor is it appropriate to, dictate Israeli policy to them. If they wish to enter the war alongside NATO, then of course we should welcome them, but let the grave decision of going to war be left up to the Israeli people. Many troubling things are on the minds of Germans at this time, and not least among them is the idea of brother fighting brother. Reunification with our estranged countrymen in the East would have been preferable via diplomatic means alone, and it pains us that it has come to this. Drone fucked around with this message at 09:40 on Jan 31, 2020 |
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Also is Austria leaning towards joining us? And how long before Reforger (or the equivalent) is fully online? Also; re the seizure of Iceland. We should take on this Clancy chap as a strategic analyst. wedgekree fucked around with this message at 09:25 on Jan 31, 2020 |
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wedgekree posted:Also is Austria leaning towards joining us? In contrast to Sweden joining the war, maintaining Austrian neutrality may help us far more than their military would if they were to join us. The USSR hasn't shed a single tear when it comes to invading neutral parties so far, but efforts should probably be made (by whom, though?) to ensure that Austria remains neutral. Austria joining the war would distract Italy from dealing with Yugoslavia, should they join the war on the side of the Soviets. I'm going to call my Austrian and Swiss counterparts about this to take their temperature. Drone fucked around with this message at 09:31 on Jan 31, 2020 |
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Also I feel that pressure can be applied to the smaller Gulf States (The UAE/Et All) to join. This would have relatively minimal political cost, and while thier military forces are negligible, they will be protected by the Saudis, and it gives their countries use as airbases. The Iranians will likely consider tihs aggressive but they've already blocked the Gulf. This lets us have airbases that can be used against the Syrirans if we need it and if necessary the Iranians. While also not putting NATO in a position where the Israelis -have- to come in if the regional political circumstance disintegrates. Low political cost, the small countries have Saudi Arabia to be a buffer, it gives us airfields to use in the event of more shenanigans in the region. As well as giving support to Oman.
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Hey, when Iceland talked about heeding the summit from a couple of years ago, we didn't mean have another one, just with guns Mobilize Sweden
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Well, the time has come then. NATO can fully expect Canada to punch above its weight as it always has. While we stand, Freedom, Justice, The Queen, and The Commonwealth shall not fall! Certainly, Sweden mobilizes, but it may be too early for Israel to get involved. They would deal with Syria and Lebanon, sure, but Turkey has held just fine so far. The politics of it look too bad and the Israelis tend to take rash actions without consulting allies. Oppose Israeli operations The gentlemen from Central Europe know the politics of Austria and the Balkans than I. Canada shall abstain for now
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Green border Grey interior: USA Grey border white interior: Bundeswehr Grey border grey interior blue outlines: Netherlands Grey border brown interior: Belgium Blue border white interior: France All tan: UK Tan border blue interior: Canada Blue border black interior: Spain Light green border green interior: Italy Light blue border dark blue interior: Greece Green border red interior: Turkey Blue border red interior: Norway Grey border greyish interior: Denmark White border grey interior: Finland Blue border brown interior: Portugal When I’m not on my phone I can make a real guide
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 SACEUR Planning Situational Assessment The situation at present is reasonably satisfactory: the main front in Germany is holding well, and WARPAC aggression in the Mediterranean is being satisfactorily contained. However, the situation in AFNORTH is concerning. The defensive plan put in place for Norway did not expect the Soviets to be able to use airborne troops to such an extent. Given the WARPAC movements in Denmark, it is unlikely that Copenhagen can be held either. Also worrying are aerial reconnaissance reports suggesting that stronger Soviet forces will be moving into position in the northern part of AFCENT. AFNORTH: Norwegian units are to move southwards, and attempt to force Soviet airborne units away from the coastal road and major towns. Any available NATO light infantry or marine reserves in Canada/UK/US/France are to be rushed to Norway, to form defensive line on axis Andalsnes-Oppdall-Swedish Border. Ark Royal, Foch and associated units to cover these seaborne movements. If Sweden mobilises, Swedish troops should form a main line of resistance from Sundsvall to the Norwegian border, linking up with the NATO line. Significant elements should be left in reserve to protect Stockholm and Malmo from Soviet amphibious assault. Delta Force and Icelandic Defence Force are to prevent the Soviets expanding their foothold on Iceland. Danish units are to hold Copenhagen to the best of their abilities. AFCENT: In general, AFCENT units are to hold their positions; the line is holding well. Local counterattacks against weaker Soviet units may be made, if doing so will not weaken future defensive efforts. The units in the salient north-east of Nuremberg are to fall back to the main line, and the German mountaineer brigade is to be committed to slow the Soviet movement towards Munich. There are a few possible operational choices, most of which concern the resolution of the situation around Kassel. SACEUR does not, at present, wish to seek authority to use chemical weapons, but if authority is granted, they should be used, especially around Kassel. Operation Spruce Given that Copenhagen is unlikely to hold and the parlous supply situation, it might be best to abandon our defence of the Jutland peninsula. Under this operation, Jutland Command and other units would attempt to break out and join the main defensive line around Hamburg. Otherwise, it is to endeavour to prevent WARPAC forces crossing the Kiel Canal. This is an optional addition to the general orders outlined above. The following are mutually exclusive options for resolving the situation around Kassel. Operation Dovetail American forces defending Fulda seem to be facing only light opposition. This presents a possible opportunity for a more aggressive counterattack, aimed at the flank of the Soviet forces attacking the Kassel area. This might be combined with movements by I Dutch Corps from the north towards Hildesheim/Gottingen. The objective would be to cut or heavily interdict the logistical routes the Soviet advance is relying upon. Operation Eclipse This would be a more limited counterattack in the Kassel area. It would be carried out mainly by units already around Kassel. The main aim would be to cut off and attrit the Soviet spearhead units, and re-establish our main defensive line in its previous positions. Operation Indigo This would see a withdrawal from the Kassel area. New defensive lines would be established between Hannover-Bielefeld-Seigen-Fulda. AFSOUTH: AFSOUTH seems to be in a generally good position, though we may not have encountered the main WARPAC strength in this area. I do not feel the need to attack Albania at present. More pressing is the need to defeat the WARPAC attack on Turkey, as well as a possible attack into Bulgaria from Greece. For now, AFSOUTH units should remain in position, to await strategic developments. Operation Crocodile Should civilian leadership choose to attack Albania, an amphibious assault will be carried out to seize Durress. The Italian & Spanish navies will provide sea-lift and cover while the USMC unit from Naples and Italian Marine unit from Taranto are deployed to capture the port. An Italian brigade will be used as follow-on forces. US airborne units from Northern Italy will be dropped in to capture Vlore, before being relieved by the Greek division that has been screening South-West Albania. CENTCOM: I would like to avoid further distractions from our key strategic theatre. Turkish forces are to hold the Syrian border, but are not to cross it. They should also screen Soviet forces in the Caucasus, without engaging. Should Israel mobilise, they are to prepare to conduct an offensive towards Beirut and Damascus. Forces in the Persian Gulf are to avoid provoking Iran, but to be ready to fight if necessary. Randomcheese3 fucked around with this message at 20:37 on Feb 2, 2020 |
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 I think it's time we mobilize the Swedes and put a thorn in the side of those Polish marines. Those Viggens can knock out a hefty amount of Soviet shipping and soften the likely loss of Copenhagen. Operation Dovetail looks to offer us a good way to capitalize on a Soviet over-extension. Maybe we can chop the head off that snake and buy us some breathing time? I think we should focus on Western Europe first but Albania presents a unique problem as it could become a launch pad for Warsaw pact forces. I like the sound of Operation Crocodile.
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Randomcheese3 posted:SACEUR does not, at present, wish to seek authority to use chemical weapons, but if authority is granted, they should be used, especially around Kassel. The Federal Republic of Germany could not be more opposed to using chemical or tactical nuclear weapons upon German soil, even defensively. So long as this government stands, pursuing this form of warfare is off the table. I will be calling my good friend President Reagan on this matter this evening. And, of course, will be passing along my best wishes to the First Lady. Regarding the situation at Kassel, Operation Eclipse would seem the most prudent. A strong defense of Kassel will preclude the need to even consider less conventional methods of warfare, while at the same time cutting off the Soviet spearhead will deprive them of vital equipment and momentum.
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 Operation Dovetail seems like a very good opportunity. I doubt very much that Soviet war planning expects a major NATO counterattack at this stage. Disrupting carefully constructed Warsaw Pact war plans could serve us very well. What type of reserves does NATO have in place in western europe? How much of the glorious Armée de terre has been engaged? I ask because the stability in the Fulda Gap might present an opportunity for an even more disruptive counterattack. The status of REFORGER would also be good to know. As for Sweden, Mobilization and integration must happen. The writing is on the wall, as the Americans say. They cannot hope to escape the war. Only survive it. We are Against Mobilizing Israel. The addition of another belligerent in the middle east right now could spark a new stage in conflict. It should remain an option, but lets hold off for now.
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Reserves at the moment are a bit slim. West German reserves are coming together and should provide a big boost but that’s a few days out. The French army is mobilizing relatively quickly, but probably another 3 or 4 days for the heavier, drafted forces to come about. The British territorial army is coming in about 5 days. Various US army assets will deploy in New York and POMCUS sites as time goes on.
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Are the Russians fully mobilized or do they get more forces as the game goes on?
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Jan 31, 2020 21:47
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overmind2000 posted:Are the Russians fully mobilized or do they get more forces as the game goes on? The Russians are throwing in pretty much everything they’ve got
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 Operation Dovetail, mobilize Sweden, mobilize Gulf States, mobilize Kuwait, don't attack Albania, don't mobilize Israel, and no chemical weapons. I'd like to bring back and vote for the options to mobilize the Gulf States and mobilize Kuwait. With the Gulf closed we'll need every unsinkable aircraft carrier that we can get. Additionally, I'd like to request that the Italian navy be redeployed from the Western Mediterranean to the Black Sea in order to the assist the Turks. They've done good work so far but the losses they've taken have to be replaced and the last thing we need is the Russians landing in Istanbul. As there isn't anyone playing Spain or Portugal I'd also like to request that the Spanish and Portuguese navies join them as well. The Black Sea and potentially the Eastern Mediterranean are the places that need us the most at this point. zetamind2000 fucked around with this message at 02:38 on Feb 1, 2020 |
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Feb 1, 2020 02:23
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 Folks, I was all in favor of setting the Israelis on the Syrians, but then I consulted with Nancy, who has informed me the Israelis should not be distracted from their place in prophecy by military adventures. I also feel it is not time to escalate to the use of chemical weapons, not least because the Soviet forces are presently in our side's cities. It would also apparently anger, and I quote "vast forces". While I would dearly love to see the death of communism everywhere, we should hold off on invading Albania until the situation in the Black Sea stabilizes. That being said I support Operation Dovetail we must take every viable opportunity to deprive the Soviets of their best units and drive them back. I also support mobilizing Kuwait and the Gulf States. The Iranians will surely back down from a mostly non-provocative display of regional solidarity, and it won't hurt in case Saddam gets any funny ideas. I STRONGLY encourage SACEUR to come up with an aggressive, pro-active plan to remove the Soviets from Iceland, Norway, and Denmark and generally degrade their naval ability.
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For SACEUR, if the break the Spreadhead option is chosen, would you want forces to pursue attacks into the GDR proper, or stop on the border?-
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Top Hats Monthly posted:For SACEUR, if the break the Spreadhead option is chosen, would you want forces to pursue attacks into the GDR proper, or stop on the border?- I was envisaging this option involving attacks into the GDR, yes, though not to the extent of seizing towns.
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Randomcheese3 posted:I was envisaging this option involving attacks into the GDR, yes, though not to the extent of seizing towns. Gotcha, just making sure that if/when it gets carried out how aggressive we want to be when taking it to the GDR itself. Also people, don't be shy! Plenty of countries available, and its very low stakes!
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