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Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Tashilicious posted:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1220616882132094976



"" At the station that travels to and from Wuhan, heavily armed special police have been stationed. They all wear epidemic prevention suits and are equipped with automatic rifles. Some netizens have questioned, do epidemic prevention need these weapons of great lethality? ""
They're for enforcing quarantine, duh.

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Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
That seems a bad ratio of serious to total cases

https://www.theguardian.com/science/live/2020/jan/25/coronavirus-china-death-tolls-rises-to-41-as-france-confirms-three-cases
1,287 cases of coronavirus including 237 patients in serious condition.

Australia confirmed a man in his 50s tested positive for coronavirus on Saturday after returning to Melbourne from Wuhan.
Malaysia has confirmed 3 cases of the virus
In France, three people have fallen ill with the virus – the disease’s first appearance in Europe
The United States reported its second case, involving a Chicago woman in her 60s who was hospitalised in isolation after returning from China
Two cases confirmed in Vietnam
Three cases in Singapore
As of Friday night, five people had been diagnosed with the virus in Hong Kong, according to the South China Morning Post
On Friday South Korea’s government confirmed the second case of a coronavirus that originated in China, the Centres for Disease Control and Prevention said.
Japan – a destination for many lunar new year holiday makers – has confirmed 2 cases
Thailand’s public health ministry has confirmed five cases.
Nepal has one infection
Taiwan has reported three cases and Macao two

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

my mother called me when i was eating the buffet and we talked about things including the wuhan fish flu. she had just rewatched contagion the other day

umm

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1220920013273608192
https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1220923649366118400

1st off, why should I trust this rando?

2nd, is 3.8 really that bad? Measels spreads to 18 new people per person infection.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

TeenageArchipelago posted:

fish flu needs a r0 of 4.20 and a mortality rate of 6.9% for the memes
Unfortunately, of the first 41 patients, 100% developed pneumonia, and despite all being hospitalized 15% of them died

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Nearly equal to the population of Great Britain

https://www.theguardian.com/science/live/2020/jan/25/coronavirus-china-death-tolls-rises-to-41-as-france-confirms-three-cases

quote:

56 million people in 18 provinces are now subject to travel restrictions.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Looks like China is anticipating...robust growth to put it lightly.

Chinese state media are reporting that a second hospital, with a capacity of 1,300 beds, will be built to tackle the virus.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/live/2020/jan/25/coronavirus-china-death-tolls-rises-to-41-as-france-confirms-three-cases

quote:

Construction has begun and is scheduled to be completed on February 3rd

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Only 49 cured... looks like this is a long lasting sickness, which is bad even if it doesn't kill because this is going to put a hell of a strain on medical services.

https://twitter.com/CGTNOfficial/st...irms-first-case

Seven of the deaths in the last day have been outside of Heibi province.
https://www.theguardian.com/science/live/2020/jan/26/coronavirus-outbreak-death-toll-rises-to-54-as-canada-confirms-first-case

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

SKULL.GIF posted:

I'm reading that China isn't testing dead people for coronavirus, so if you caught it and then died before you were diagnosed with it, you wouldn't be included in the official counts.

That keeps things under wraps for now, but if there are 190k infected on Feb 4th as projected above and 5-6k of them die that's not going to fool anyone.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Scrub-Niggurath posted:

rich people would gently caress off to their vacation homes, and who cares about anyone not rich

Trump needs white silents and boomers to turn out in mass this November.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Bad bad news...

https://www.theguardian.com/science/live/2020/jan/26/coronavirus-outbreak-death-toll-rises-to-54-as-canada-confirms-first-case
Hong Kong now has a sixth confirmed case of coronavirus. According to reports, the patient, who was admitted to Ruttonjee Hospital in Wan Chai district of Hong Kong, had recently travelled to Wuhan on a high speed train before returning to Hong Kong

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Homeless Friend posted:

I wonder if the huge incubation period also is saving us from the insane world travel aspect since whatever rich bastard gets it in wuhan probably is back at home by the time it actually becomes contagious and they're relatively easily trackable.
I assume they're contagious before they show serious symptoms, maybe before showing any symptoms.

The above guy I mentioned could have spread it to dozens on the train car he was on.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Jose posted:

How come India doesn't get any of these out breaks they also have a ridiculously huge population

If they haven't gotten any visitors from Wuhan in the last month I'd be surprised.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Fucks like these parents are going to kill us all

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/wuhan-virus-chinese-toddler-parents-who-avoided-quarantine-in-12345182

quote:

JOHOR BAHRU: Two Chinese nationals who took their toddler, suspected to have been infected with the Wuhan virus, out of a public hospital in Johor to avoid quarantine, were detained at Senai International Airport, near Kulai on Saturday night (Jan 25).

Johor police chief Kamarudin Md Din said they were detained at about 9.20pm, while they were about to board a flight to China.

He said they were later referred to a hospital for further examination.

On Saturday, a copy of the police report filed by a doctor from a public hospital about the Chinese nationals who dodged quarantine on their two-year-old child went viral on social media.

Based on the police report, the toddler who had flu-like symptoms, was advised to be put under quarantine at the hospital.

The two-year-old patient who was referred to the hospital by a private hospital for flu-like symptoms, according to The Star.

The report added that a doctor had told the parents that the child had to be sent for quarantine at Hospital Permai and for further examination but the parents refused as they had to catch a flight the next day.

According to the New Straits Times, the parents had attempted to return to Wuhan and were detained after they tried to book a flight to their hometown.

The toddler has been brought back to the hospital and is in a stable condition, Malaysia's health ministry said in a statement on Sunday evening.

“(We are) still waiting for the laboratory results,” said Health Director-General Noor Hisham Abdullah.

In view of the current situation, the ministry said it would continue to step up efforts to prevent and control the novel coronavirus outbreak.

Suspected cases will be examined and referred to hospitals for sample collection and monitoring of symptoms.

Dr Noor Hisham warned that anyone who does not obey instructions will be jailed for a period of not more than two years or fined, or both, if convicted.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

pigz posted:

that 30% number would be insane.

LOL. ECMO Machines are gonna be stolen from. Baby's to keep boomers alive. Those things are in such limited supply this is hosed.

Where is this 30% number coming from?

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
https://twitter.com/ghoeberx/status/1221577518316126210

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Ramrod Hotshot posted:

3% death rate, how is this worse than swine flu?

With a reproductive rate this high it's going to infect millions. For every million infected, 30,000 will die.

Unless that number thrown around in the thread of 30% need ventilators is true. If that's true, then 300,000 of that million will die because there is no where near that number of ventilators.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

What does severe mean? On a ventilator/respirator? Because if so, won't the number of severe cases quickly outstrip the supply and then all of them will die without aid?

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Lote posted:

If you need to go to an icu for an extended period of time, the chances of leaving the hospital alive are like 50%. Usually people in the icu are listed as “critical”

Well, they don't seem to be differentiating, so that's why I ask.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Very skeptical about that Nepal number. They didn't even know the patient had it until after he was discharged.

http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-01/25/c_138732435.htm

quote:

KATHMANDU, Jan. 25 (Xinhua) -- A Nepali student studying in China has been found infected with the new coronavirus, an official of Nepal's Ministry of Health and Population has said.

"It is the first confirmed case of infection from the deadly virus," Dr. Hemanta Chandra Ojha, chief of Zoonotic and Other Communicable Disease Control Section at Epidemiology and Disease Control Division under the Ministry, told Xinhua on Friday.

He said that the patient who had come to Nepal from Wuhan, China was tested positive during a specimen test at the laboratory of the World Health Organization in Hong Kong Special Administrative Region of China. "We had received the confirmation on Thursday evening," he said.

The man infected with the virus had come to Nepal on Jan. 5 from China and visited the hospital complaining about respiratory problem on Jan. 13. After his condition was improved following medication, he was discharged last week.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Vishass posted:

Like wild guess playing with exponential growth calculators but I don't see Trump doing a lot of rallies for awhile by March

Trump, Biden, Sanders, Warren...all over 70.

Buttigieg vs. Pence race coming up?

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Prince Myshkin posted:

You're not immune after pulling through an infection. Not with this one anyway.
Really?

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Schnorkles posted:

its pretty important to note that not all cases of coronavirus turn into pneumonia and, more than just "not all cases," it may end up being a relatively small percentage limited to people with seriously compromised immune systems. There's certainly plenty of discussion right now that a lot of people manifest the virus with very mild or no symptoms at all.

None of the governments involved are treating it like that though. Are they all just panicking?

BBC says more than 300 critical
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-51259649

quote:

The overall number of confirmed cases in China is 2,744. State media say more than 300 are critically ill.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

CODChimera posted:

has anyone started stockpiling food and water?

I bought 10 kilos of rice and have 76 liters of water

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Also, that "severe condition" number from earlier...461/2744 is 16.8%

That's not that different than the number from the mortality percentage from the first 41 patients, which was 15%.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

SKULL.GIF posted:

almost three years, january 1918 to december 1920

the peak was like a year and a half though

It took like two weeks to get across the Atlantic then. Now you can travel to any other continent in one day.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

snoo posted:

"The most frequently reported symptoms were 40 (98%) with fever, 31 (76%) with cough, and 18 (44%) with muscle aches and tiredness. Less frequent symptoms included coughing sputum or blood, headache and diarrhea." x

:mad:

Missed the most important part
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30183-5/fulltext

quote:

41 admitted hospital patients had been identified as having laboratory-confirmed 2019-nCoV infection. Most of the infected patients were men (30 [73%] of 41); less than half had underlying diseases (13 [32%]), including diabetes (eight [20%]), hypertension (six [15%]), and cardiovascular disease (six [15%]). Median age was 49·0 years (IQR 41·0–58·0). 27 (66%) of 41 patients had been exposed to Huanan seafood market. One family cluster was found. Common symptoms at onset of illness were fever (40 [98%] of 41 patients), cough (31 [76%]), and myalgia or fatigue (18 [44%]); less common symptoms were sputum production (11 [28%] of 39), headache (three [8%] of 38), haemoptysis (two [5%] of 39), and diarrhoea (one [3%] of 38). Dyspnoea developed in 22 (55%) of 40 patients (median time from illness onset to dyspnoea 8·0 days [IQR 5·0–13·0]). 26 (63%) of 41 patients had lymphopenia. All 41 patients had pneumonia with abnormal findings on chest CT. Complications included acute respiratory distress syndrome (12 [29%]), RNAaemia (six [15%]), acute cardiac injury (five [12%]) and secondary infection (four [10%]). 13 (32%) patients were admitted to an ICU and six (15%) died. Compared with non-ICU patients, ICU patients had higher plasma levels of IL2, IL7, IL10, GSCF, IP10, MCP1, MIP1A, and TNFα.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Equivalent to the population of Italy.

https://twitter.com/cnni/status/1221651024420753408

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Ora Tzo posted:

Just wondering, if you get exposed to the virus and recover you get immune to it right?

It's too early to tell isn't it? How do similar viruses like SARS and MERS work?

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
This seems suboptimal

https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2020/01/hubei-cities-fearful-china-virus-medical-supplies-run-200126034425456.html

quote:

In Xiangyang, the third-largest city in Hubei and home to more than five million people, there were zero confirmed cases as of January 25, but that has not brought any relief.

"There are no hospitals in Xiangyang that have the diagnostic kit and can provide diagnosis," Yixin Yu, a resident of Xiangyang told Al Jazeera. "The most likely diagnosis you get is viral pneumonia and will be asked to go back home to exercise self-quarantine."

"It can't be that there are no infected people - it's only that no case is being confirmed," Yu added. Xiangyang is about 300 kilometres (186 miles) northwest of Wuhan.

Charlz Guybon fucked around with this message at 00:24 on Jan 28, 2020

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

SKULL.GIF posted:

I don't recall exactly (When I made the post you're quoting I was in the middle of scanning through Twitter, Reddit, and a bunch of journalism digging up information) but there's been complaints about patients not getting tested and there's this story: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/01/25/quick-burials-lack-tests-raise-fears-cornavirus-outbreak-much/


If they're running out of testing kits then it stands to reason that they wouldn't waste them on testing random corpses, right?

https://twitter.com/gzmimi/status/1220535231507136512

I may have read it in a SCMP article, lemme see if I can dig it up.

So this is why they were monitoring thousands of likely cases in yesterday's update

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

my god.... everyone in chinas dead

Or they're trying to figure out what format to release the numbers in because they ran out of tests and don't know how many cases they have .

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

twoday posted:

https://twitter.com/TaoDaoMan/status/1221952486270889984?s=19

Imagine being treated for an illness in a hospital that was built ten times more hastily than the Sochi Olympic Village

I'm mean...it's better than not being treated in a hospital

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

And that's just Wuhan! :catstare:

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
If you go to the link, Wuhan has

quote:

563 serious, 127 critical

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
Looking at the numbers further, out of Wuhan's 2,714 cases they have had 100 deaths, and currently 563 cases are serious and 127 critical. That's 3.68% dead, 20.74% serious, 4.68% critical.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Xaris posted:

not good, not terrible

whats considered serious? requires hospitalization-but-not-ventilator?

I assume critical needs a ventilator given the main killing symptom is pneumonia. So, if the numbers get out of control like it seems they will, all those poor folks will die because there won't be enough ventilators to go around.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
A quick google search says 10-25% of the population gets the flu each year.

Using the Wuhan numbers I quoted earlier as a base (3.68% dead, 20.74% serious, 4.68% critical)

If 10% get sick that's 27,600,000 dead world wide, 35,100,000 critical and 155,550,000 serious.
If 15% get sick that's 41,400,00 dead world wide, 52,650,000 critical and 233,325,000 serious
If 20% get sick that's 55,200,000‬ dead world wide, 70,200,000 critical and 311,100,000‬ serious.
If 25% get sick that's 69,000,000 dead world wide, 87,750,000 critical and 388,875,000‬ serious.

Obviously hospitals would be overwhelmed by these numbers and if critical cases necessitates a respirator or ventilator nearly all of them would die since there aren't nearly enough.

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Schnorkles posted:



Basically: there are a lot of people who are getting the virus who aren't getting sick. The total mortality isn't known, and right now its tracking towards CAP. While that's real bad, it's not "end planet earth" bad. Likely if you're under 40 and in decent shape, even if you get this it won't be worse than a normal run-in with the flu.

What's CAP mean?

Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010

Schnorkles posted:

community acquired pneumonia

Yikes

quote:

The mortality associated with CAP greatly depends on the clinical setting where it is treated. This mortality is only less than 3% in the outpatient setting, around 5–10% in inpatients not requiring ICU care, as high as 25% in intubated patients, and nearly 50% in ICU patients requiring vasopressors

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Charlz Guybon
Nov 16, 2010
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1221979709661204480

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