Coronavirus 2020 - START MAKING VENTILATORS, NOW!!!!!!

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Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

Peanut President posted:

fish live in rivers and lakes too

also, refrigerated trucks exist

# ¿ Jan 23, 2020 17:45

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# ¿ May 21, 2024 22:23

Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

Lolling at the "I used to work at the UN, thus I have Top Secret clearance"

# ¿ Jan 24, 2020 16:03

Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

Fumble posted:

https://twitter.com/livecrisisnews/status/1223040642315706370

Its looking quite bad.

This one is pretty lol. That is such an unbelievable way to collapse, flat on her back lined up straight on some stairs with her hair perfectly splayed out behind her.

# ¿ Jan 31, 2020 15:35

Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

stephenthinkpad posted:

Your math is wrong, 2.3% of 1000 is 23. And the goonpulation is older, so more like 50

Also the 2.3% is when your medical infrastructure can still handle it. After your hospital beds have been zerg rushed by corona, it's going to be 5%. Per China number they can save about half of the people in ICU when you still have ICU.

The 2.3 is probably more of an overestimate than under. Nobody has been testing populations as a whole and have only been focusing on people who have been presenting symptoms, so the actual death% for the disease will probably come way down when all is said and done. That is if the virus stays like it is right now: highly infectious with most cases not presenting serious symptoms

edit: I think the big concern with this thing isn't that it is going to kill swaths of people but that it is going to cause productivity and social disruptions that will gently caress over the economy and push us closer to a looming recession

Pead fucked around with this message at 18:00 on Feb 27, 2020

# ¿ Feb 27, 2020 17:56

Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

Dog Toothbrush posted:

you have no loving clue if that's correct. the data we have, currently, indicates that this could indeed kill hundreds of thousands to a million+ Americans, especially considering our healthcare system.

however, i hope the data is incorrect and that you're right

Of course I don't know if thats correct, but there is nothing to indicate that it is a mass death pandemic and the american health care system sucks but its not like china is much better and they aren't really reports of mass graves and roving mad max gangs out there.

# ¿ Feb 27, 2020 18:21

Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

pigz posted:

The death rate is unlikely to 'come down' for any reason other than people stop getting infected, or the world builds and properly distributes mechanical ventalators, ecmo machines and adequate ICU facilities.

The fatality rate is a function of overloaded health resources which is a function of how infectious this is. So there being a bunch of cases that don't show up in the number does not really change things other than it means more people will get this which means more people will die.

That all said we already know it's everywhere, just the testing capacity, or desire to detect it in most places just isn't there yet.

If there are more people in infected areas with the disease that aren't currently known and don't show symptoms, but the number of deaths attributed to the disease don't change, then the percentage goes down.

Doorknob Slobber posted:

there was reports of mass cremations but not verified by any western media

I'll worry when its verified. We live in a shitposters world right now.

Pead fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Feb 27, 2020

# ¿ Feb 27, 2020 18:27

Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

pigz posted:

What I'm trying to tell you is that a 2.3 death rate is meaningless overall and that trying to include a bunch of undiagnosed people (even if they have the disease) does not tell you anything. An overall 'True fatality rate' being low while the one we know about is high is REALLY REALLY BAD not 'GOOD'. If the true fatality rate is 0.00000000001% when you include all cases overall but when you only look at severe cases and suddenly the fatality rate is 2% then you can see how that's a bad thing right?

The point is if there are truly a million cases in China then it is everywhere in numbers that would be astounding and the US healthcare system is about 1-3 weeks away from being overwhelmed. Further in the short term that 2.3 number is very much unlikely to hold even for total populations once it really starts decimating the first world.

I'm sorry, I don't really get what you are saying. There is nothing to indicate that when america gets it it is going to decimate the first world or overwhelm the US healthcare system worse than is already happening in other outbreak zones. The death toll outside china is less than inside, like 1.5%, so far. poo poo isn't good, and vulnerable populations like older pops or people with immune system deficiencies are going to suffer, but people itt are acting like its going to suddenly balloon to scarlet fever level deaths and i don't get why.

# ¿ Feb 27, 2020 18:45

Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

pigz posted:

In the US the states have a median of 19.7 mechanical ventilators per 100,000 people.

The more un-diagnossed people who have this the more likely it will spread. This is because un-diagnosed people still spread the disease, and if they are mildly sick they are likely to continue their daily lives without taking precautions. These mildly sick people will give it to people who are older and have health complications, they will need ventilators. The more mildly sick un-diagnosed people there are the more sick elderly people are and if the number of people in an area who need ventilators because of typical reasons + the number of people who need them because of coronavirus eclipse 19.7/100k people then well the death rate will spike significantly.

And as for the comment on the US healthcare system being overloaded. Until they change it the CDC is only testing people who have a) been to affected parts of china since the cornavirus outbreak b) come in contact with someone who has a confirmed case. This means they have not been looking for community spread. Since community spread is a clear feature of multiple countries it is here too. Finally on Sunday they tested the first suspected community case and then Wednesday got eh test back as positive. The virus is here, we just aren't looking or it really yet. The cases will catch up over the next week when they open up their diagnostic criteria and get adequate testing going.

Edit: tldr: My point is more undaigonsed people means more community spread which is the thing that will overload hospitals. So hoping for a lower statistical death rate overall misses the forest for the trees since you need to greatly increase the number of people who get 'mildly' sick and go around infecting old people. I can't stress how bad normalcy bias is going to gently caress the US, most people here do not at all take the FLU seriously. the only people who do are people who know or have family who are immunocompromised, most just go on their daily lives during flu season, even though it is very dangerous to a lot of people. There is just no cultural reference in the US for this type of thing.

Ok, and you sound like you know more than me about this so I will def. research it more but I am still unsure what the dramatic difference between china and the US is in this, like do chinese people take the flu more seriously or have less immunocompromised relatives?

# ¿ Feb 27, 2020 19:06

Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

pigz posted:

Are you asking why would it be worse here in china possibly? Let me be a little more clear about 'overwhelm the US healthcare system'.

I can't say it'll be worse than china. China shut down half the country and significant portions of its' travel and mail systems in order to prevent the spread. I think most people feel the US will not do that, and frankly how fast the US Govt is moving it's unlikely they will have enough testing bandwidth to detect that things are starting to get out of control in order to act like China did. IN my estimation they'd need to have been doing that like a week or two ago.

In the US it won't be everywhere all at once. It likely will take 3-4 months or more when it starts to make ti across the US. You'll see some places greatly effected by others. So you'll see pockets of healthcare systems being overwhelmed. A good response in managing resources across clusters could be effective in reducing R0 and Fatalilty rates, but again this requires a good cordinated response.

So all in all the answer is if the US isn't doing a lot of what a lot experts even think they should be doing now, then whats going to change when even more organizational and truth telling is needed?

And frankly I cannot see ANY panic, or even anyone taking this with any seriousness. I have one email from my work during this entire thing when they self quarantined all our workers who had been to WuHan as we have buisness in china. Since then, nothing other than the CEO saying on an all hands this is 'just the flu' two days ago.

Edit: Here is an article about some of the testing issues:
https://www.nytimes.com./2020/02/12/health/coronavirus-test-kits-cdc.html

Here's one about the community spread cases that details what this thread did: that it took a week to confirm the case and the CDC declined to test for 4 days. Becuse this person did not meet the criteria to be tested as they had not been to china recently and did not have contact with a confiremd case. I.E the CDC has not been trying to find community spread:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/coronavirus-cdc-didn-t-immediately-test-covid-19-case-n1143996

Thanks for the links, I will read up more.

As for community awareness, I have several friends w/ family members that work as nurses so from what I heard (second hand admittedly) that sector is preparing and taking it seriously and my personal job has already put out feelers with us about working from home if we or a family member gets sick.

# ¿ Feb 27, 2020 19:25

Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

pigz posted:

That is great news. I know the health care professionals are ready and prepared it's just the guys at the top. Unfortunately messaging and getting people to take this seriously before people start seing their loved ones get sick is left to those at the top.

I live in the deep south surrounded by boomers, sot hat may have something to do with seeing it not being taken seriously. It just sucks because in order for my lloved ones to stay healthy I need my community to stay healthy and they do not seem concerned at all. It's just a normal Wednesday. When people talk about it you can see they are scared, but like I dunno it's worrisome. I mean it's par fort he course I can't convince these guys to get ahead of work issues so trying to convince them not to ride 5 people to a car to lunch is just pointless, take an extra car today and don't stuff 3 large overweight 60 year olds in the back of a ford edge for a forty minute round trip!

Luckily at my work, everyone hates both their job and their coworkers so we have no problem taking time off and avoiding contact with anyone who seems sick.

# ¿ Feb 27, 2020 19:41

Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

Delthalaz posted:

Man I really can't wait until the weather heats up and this whole thing goes away.

its just going to come back again in the fall, though

# ¿ Mar 8, 2020 05:49

Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

dex_sda posted:

my insane family is freaking out cause they think coronavirus is an intentional freemason plot to take over the church. as the smoking gun they point to the guidance to give out the host onto hands, not straight into the mouth. this is how the masonry wins.

can any satan's minions confirm/deny? he's not returning my calls since the last party we were at

The Church has been shedding people for decades, why waste all that time and effort on creating a virus when you can just chill in the mason hall, drink and play cards

# ¿ Mar 9, 2020 15:47

Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

Arsenic Lupin posted:

https://twitter.com/michaelmina_lab/status/1236928366005170178

Welp.

It's almost as if nobody in charge knows what the gently caress they are doing. Weird

# ¿ Mar 9, 2020 19:12

Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

https://twitter.com/kaitlynross1/status/1237076988197814274

Atlanta schools are about to shut down

# ¿ Mar 9, 2020 19:29

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Atrocious Joe posted:

https://twitter.com/Amy_Siskind/status/1237459816454524928?s=20

Pelosi is going to kill off a tenth of Congress to preserve decorum

Yaasssssssss Queen

# ¿ Mar 10, 2020 23:21

Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

William Bear posted:

This is the worst news I've heard all day!

Ben Affleck Spotted 'Making Out' With Costar Ana de Armas in Costa Rica

Ana is the "it" girl, the world's sweetheart, the internet's waifu!

Why?!

chicks dig Ben Affleck's back tat

# ¿ Mar 11, 2020 21:49

Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

https://mobile.twitter.com/SInow/status/1238142729374310403

The Japanese economy is going to get reamed by this. Their population is super old too, so they are hosed in all sorts of ways.

# ¿ Mar 12, 2020 17:55

Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

All Georgia universities are closing for 2 weeks, to reassess the usability of online classes. Last week was a shitshow trying to set teachers up for the system we have at my school, so this is going to be a disaster statewide.

# ¿ Mar 12, 2020 22:45

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Apraxin posted:

https://twitter.com/jairbolsonaro/status/1238490282385080322
https://twitter.com/jairbolsonaro/status/1238491455200649219

Lol someone here called it. Second test comes back negative and he goes around blasting the fake news

# ¿ Mar 13, 2020 17:17

Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

Nocturtle posted:

I cannot believe how long it took for NYC public schools to close.

Fulton county, Atlanta, Georgia had a positive case at one of its schools, closed the district down for a day to disinfect, opened again, immediately had a second positive and yet still hasn't fully closed officially.

edit: must have missed it, they closed last night indefinitely.

Pead fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Mar 16, 2020

# ¿ Mar 16, 2020 00:05

Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

kopasetic posted:

has the US started building the massive new hospitals we are about to need yet

Georgia set aside a state park w/ some tents and winnebagos

edit: and closed a ton of rural hospitals in the past 3 years

# ¿ Mar 17, 2020 16:51

Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

a_pineapple posted:

Tell me why this theory is misinformed and stupid (aside from the sick/dead human being part):

1. Most of the population gets hit
2. A shitload of people die
3. The ~50-70% who were asymptomatic and didn't die are now have immunity to the current strain
4. Humanity marches on, changed and deeply affected

Immunity is not guaranteed. Some reports out of china, unconfirmed right now, are saying its might be possible to get reinfected.

# ¿ Mar 18, 2020 13:03

Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

Heres a fun kind of minor new coronavirus lockdown issue I am dealing with: I have to get an emissions test to renew my car registration, but nobody is open right now and the state DMV has no plan in place for that. I have been playing phone circus with multiple people to get an idea of what to do. They will probably end up putting a moratorium on them, but I'm in a red state so its not guaranteed.

# ¿ Mar 18, 2020 16:21

Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

D1E posted:

Here's an idea: don't worry about renewing your car registration then.

I'm not. I'm only calling about it because im at alone in a building at work waiting for requests so i have a lot of free time. Its just another example of the weird poo poo people are going to see going forward.

# ¿ Mar 18, 2020 16:57

Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

NofrikinfuN posted:

this is the message that needs to be beaten into whoever survives this

we need hospitals to be vast and capable of huge surges, not loving financial efficiency

They also need to exist. A ton of hospitals have closed in rural areas of the last decade, to the point where some whole counties don't have access

# ¿ Mar 19, 2020 14:18

Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

City of Atlanta just shut down everything. Restaurants can still do take out, everyone else is closed for a while. Wage workers in this city about to be royally hosed

# ¿ Mar 19, 2020 16:00

Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

Woofer posted:

When will the number surpass the other number?

Good money is on tomorrow when popular number dips a thousand and lovely number almost doubles

# ¿ Mar 19, 2020 16:21

Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

Dustcat posted:

neat

these points of data make a beautiful line

No way testing keeps up with that line, though, so its going to curve down and people will think thats a good thing when its really bad

# ¿ Mar 19, 2020 16:36

Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

mastershakeman posted:

illinois put out its numbers

between that and this

seems like IL should hit 10k cases by end of month, and what, 400? 500? deaths

10k by monday at that rate

# ¿ Mar 19, 2020 22:36

Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

pathetic little tramp posted:

Succlib response:

https://twitter.com/Amy_Siskind/status/1241011825254322176

You, SIR! SIR! You are going to prison sir!

C-Spam Response:

What if we did that thing with the air compressor like they did in no country for old men, but to his butt lol

succlib is also wrong, that poo poo isn't illegal for anyone in congress

# ¿ Mar 20, 2020 16:22

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Bro Dad posted:

Florida Update: the golf course near me is the busiest I've ever seen it

The Villages is going to be a total wasteland before may

# ¿ Mar 20, 2020 17:00

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Shrimp or Shrimps posted:

TIL that south korea is not first world because, presumably, it's not full of white people

First world is from the cold war to describe alliances (first: western capitalist, second: eastern communist, third: everyone else) and didnt really originate how its used today, i.e. to mock poorer countries.

# ¿ Mar 23, 2020 14:07

Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

Atrocious Joe posted:

are they practicing social distancing though!

they are all up on each other, yelling directly into each others faces, its beautiful

# ¿ Mar 23, 2020 18:20

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Bert Roberge posted:

I'm trying to figure out what part of payroll accounting can't be done remotely.

The part where you infect people

# ¿ Mar 23, 2020 19:20

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Lawman 0 posted:

https://twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/1242577958281379841

just reopen every place that doesnt have any people in it, bing bong so simple

# ¿ Mar 24, 2020 23:39

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Lawman 0 posted:

https://twitter.com/hshaban/status/1242876418998108165

hello, tons of predatory payday loan offers

# ¿ Mar 25, 2020 20:22

Pead: May 31, 2001; Nap Ghost

Salt Fish posted:

My boss keeps posting in our slack that everyone needs to make sure to get outside at least once a day.

I mean, that is good advice. A lot of people are taking shelter in place to mean hide in your basement. I am doing most of my meetings out on the patio so that the loud rear end birds bother everyone and make that poo poo wrap up quick.

# ¿ Mar 27, 2020 14:57