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Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





Not sure if I've written this right, but am I right in thinking that Ireland's not experiencing the same kind of populist/nationalist resurgence as the rest of Europe because FF and FG never stopped being nationalist parties, especially after they joined the EU? Like, they successfully married Irish nationalism with pro-Europeanism, so there hasn't been any sort of backlash against the EU?

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Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





FF are so pro-British after all

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





comedy option: FF/FG know they're hosed in the next election whatever happens and they straight up merge into an orthodox national conservative party

centrism is dead, woo!!!

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





Were Labour ever socialists or even social democrats at all, or were they always useless centrists?

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





so who's the worst possible DUP politician that could replace Arlene Foster?

I mean, yeah, they're all terrible, but surely there's a particular fascist in their ranks who would absolutely galvanise the loyalists and make things far worse than they are right now

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





so how many years until FFG merge into one all-encompassing nationalist conservative party

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





so Paul Givan seems like a bit of a shithead, lmao @ the possibility of things improving for NI then

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





Marenghi posted:

Registered but haven't received any appointment so far.

If I were given the option what vaccine should I pick or avoid?

pick any mRNA they offer, avoid AstraZeneca or other non-mRNA, is my understanding

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





gonadic io posted:

It was him saying something along the lines of "cases going up despite this Vax % what a joke now the EU wants to do more mandates the money train has to stop at the red Irish wall" and "it's time to think about Ireland leaving the EU"
They weren't very coherent and because I'm not Irish (in every sense other than legally) I didn't really get the expression about the red wall either. Is that a common phrase?

I am guessing he meant the border between the Republic and Northern Ireland. Guessing he wants to unify Ireland outside the EU, or starve out the north by cutting them off from Ireland's EU funding, or some utter shite like that.

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





Irexit is a bad idea for the same reason that Brexit was a bad idea: the left will not have any say over the shape of a post-EU Ireland, not least because liberals hate socialists (or rather, Keynesian social democrats labelled as socialists) more than fascists.

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





kustomkarkommando posted:

But if we leave the EU how do we convince companies to move here to evade taxes

Build more golf courses

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





I'm going to guess the Greens are massive shitlibs and/or terfs like the English Greens, yes

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





I like to think Michael Collins would have been a much better Taoiseach than Dev, but we'll never really know lmao

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





the entire history of European post-war social democracy should tell you that it is an incredibly bad idea to affix one's hopes to a social democratic party, not least one that is explicitly called the Social Democrats

in conclusion, socialism or barbarism

e: vv meh, you've got me there vv

Venomous fucked around with this message at 15:16 on Feb 8, 2022

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





guessing it has to do with Brexit being dogshit and the DUP being in full-throated support of the loving thing in spite of it being dogshit

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011






ok sure but why did you post a picture of William Ulsterman

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





they can't just cut the DUP out of the government entirely, right

SF can't just say 'okay, if you don't want to support us, we're only coalescing with Alliance, UUP, and SDLP' without pissing off every unionist in NI, so the DUP has to begrudgingly accept the results and work under an SF First Minister or else they'll trigger another election, yes

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





I have no doubt in my mind that there are people in the Republic who watched all the bullshit royal pageantry this weekend and thought 'wouldn't it be great if we were still British subjects'

I mean, apart from the blueshirts

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





Caro wasn't a Nazi, was he?

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





https://twitter.com/Philip_Ryan/status/1595816273296125952

I'm glad that the Oireachtas is trans-inclusive :)

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





Failed Imagineer posted:

And the opinion, which I have probably expressed multiple times previously itt - that SF with all their ideological wish-wash and pretensions at soft left populism are an effective safety net to keep nationalist head-the-balls from being captured by the fash

yeah, a really good analogue here is the SNP in Scotland, who captured the soft left populist vote late in the 2000s, early in the 2010s, and they've recently prevented a right-wing nationalist party (Alba) from making any headway in Scotland by virtue of not being reactionary dipshits

granted, they are also full of 'ideological wish-wash', not least because they aren't doing anything about the transphobes in their ranks, but when the unionist opposition is full of far-right wingnuts and liberals, it's clear that we could be doing a hell of a lot worse lmao

anyway, don't expect an SF government to govern dissimilarly to the SNP government in Holyrood, ie. they won't try for a 32 county Ireland with any haste and they'll just spend their time doing standard European social democratic poo poo, which I guess is better than whatever the gently caress FFG have been doing for the past hundred years lmao

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





iirc Linehan left Black Books after the first series or so, and it was all the better for it!

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





hasn't Fianna Fáil had the far-right populist vote in check for like a century at this point

I mean, I know Fine Gael were/are Blueshirts, but I thought their kind of fascism was Tory imperialist bullshit rather than FF's ultra-conservative agrarian bullshit

e: like, I thought 2008 lead to SF's rise in popularity rather than any fascist party gaining support

Venomous fucked around with this message at 09:34 on Nov 13, 2023

Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





Arquinsiel posted:

Of course it was loving McGuirk's rag. Dipshit should have never been allowed on TV in the first place.



casual reminder that you should correctly label this lot as fash, not least because it pisses McGuirk off

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Venomous
Nov 7, 2011





Cicadalek posted:

This all seemed so avoidable and I genuinely don't know whether to attribute it to malice or stupidity.

I do not think Leo Varadkar is smart, so there you go

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